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Holder Warns Public Schools Against Rejecting (illegal) Immigrants

We spend more money on retarded kids per person than normal kids who will have to provide for society. The fact that PC culture even exists in our education system shows how inefficient it really is.

Not always a bad thing.

If an extra ten grand investment in that child turns them from a net drain on society to a net gain its probably a good investment.


But that no child left behind idea sounds completely fucked.
 
That is nothing, wait until the "undocumented" gets free healthcare and dentalcare like they get in Sweden. It's free for them but not for the citizens.
 
How do you document a person who is basically classed as an illegal citizen?

Anyone know how it works?

How they can gain enough trust that child and their parents believe this info will not lead to them getting deported?

Of course you should educate them not only for the child themselves but no society is benefited by having large numbers of uneducated people trying to find a way to survive.

The states can give state-level documents (such as driver's licenses and state residency for purposes of in-state tuition) and benefits to illegals if they want, and states handle education. Meanwhile the federal govt is much more strict about such things. Which makes Holder's demands pretty hypocritical.

As for the cost/benefit ratio of investing money in illegals, don't forget to include the cost of the additional masses that are attracted here by the lack of immigration restrictions coupled with free benefits.
 
How do you document a person who is basically classed as an illegal citizen?

Anyone know how it works?

How they can gain enough trust that child and their parents believe this info will not lead to them getting deported?



Of course you should educate them not only for the child themselves but no society is benefited by having large numbers of uneducated people trying to find a way to survive.


Why shouldn't they be deported? They have not entered the country legally, they have no 'right to work' in this country, and thus any income they do collect goes untaxed. What is so wrong with rounding up people who do not belong here and kicking them out?

And why should public funds be spent on educating their children, providing them or their children with health care, or any other nonsense that currently goes on. I just don't understand it.

If you want to expand legal immigration fine, that's a reasonable discussion to be had. Any discussion with regards to illegal immigrants begins and ends with deportation.
 
The states can give state-level documents (such as driver's licenses and state residency for purposes of in-state tuition) and benefits to illegals if they want, and states handle education. Meanwhile the federal govt is much more strict about such things. Which makes Holder's demands pretty hypocritical.

As for the cost/benefit ratio of investing money in illegals, don't forget to include the cost of the additional masses that are attracted here by the lack of immigration restrictions coupled with free benefits.

But do the illegals actually sign up for them?

I can see the benefit to the government, but I just can't see people who crossed a border illegally, who can legally be deported at any point in time giving a government department their name and address etc.
I don't believe any state Vs Federal divide being much assurance if I was an Illegal.
 
Why shouldn't they be deported? They have not entered the country legally, they have no 'right to work' in this country, and thus any income they do collect goes untaxed. What is so wrong with rounding up people who do not belong here and kicking them out?

And why should public funds be spent on educating their children, providing them or their children with health care, or any other nonsense that currently goes on. I just don't understand it.

If you want to expand legal immigration fine, that's a reasonable discussion to be had. Any discussion with regards to illegal immigrants begins and ends with deportation.

I am not saying they should be deported, nor am I sayiung they should be allowed to stay. Ignore that debate as it is seperate.

I am saying if they are going to stay it is best for them to be educated. Surely you agree.

With that in mind, I am asking how does such a system work where they are at risk of being deported yet feel willing to give over their details to a government entity?
 
i really want to give up at this point. why exactly is it wrong again for me to want people to get the fuck out of here if they dont belong here? why again are my tax dollars going to educate people that dont belong here? and why is it that people want to shame me for thinking that people that dont belong here dont belong here?

the blame i will accept is that it is my generation, and my generations children that have become such monumental pussies
 
No, it's not.

My firearms with a grenade launcher attachment aren't illegal, they're undocumented! We've been going on about the 2nd amendment all wrong this whole time.

But honestly, I believe Obama has booted our more illegals than any other president and that takes some big cajones.

You being sarcastic with that last sentence?
 
If the enrollment requirements are the same for each kid and they actually meet those requirements it's not that big of a deal to me.

Just don't expect my wife to be able to handle more than 20-22 1st graders if she has to spend tons of time catching a kid up because mom and dad can't read/write/understand English.
 
Don't you have to be a citizen to go to school in the US?
 
Don't you have to be a citizen to go to school in the US?

What you should bring to register


•two proofs of residence/address (lease agreement/mortgage statement and current gas, electric, or water bills)
•certified birth certificate
•physical examination report (for elementary students only)
•current immunization records
•Social Security number
•two current emergency contact phone numbers
•previous school report card/progress report (if applicable)

http://www.vbschools.com/schools/registration.asp

Form the parents must fill out.

http://www.vbschools.com/kindergarten/content/pdfs/Registration.pdf

So how do illegals get around the two bolded above?

Our AG is a douchebag
 
Its even worse than that. I have 3 school age kids ranging from elementary to high school and they go to school with illegals but here is the weird part. These kids can't speak English. They show up to class, they sit there, and they mostly have no idea what is going on and the school just does it because its PC. Its one of the most fucked up things I've seen since becoming a parent. Sometimes they have someone at the school that tries to teach them some English but most of the teachers don't speak Spanish and can't even say anything to these kids.

In Texas, there's complete Spanish language curriculum for these kids.

Many go from K to 12, Spanish Speaking only.



I don't think its helping society as a whole.
 
http://www.vbschools.com/schools/registration.asp

Form the parents must fill out.

http://www.vbschools.com/kindergarten/content/pdfs/Registration.pdf

So how do illegals get around the two bolded above?

Our AG is a douchebag

Technically, the kids could be legal and the parents could be illegal. This would mean that the kids could have the proper documentation, but there would be a can of worms trying to figure out what to do with the parents.

The real issue, though, is whether states have an obligation to educate illegal immigrants. If you say no, you have to come up with the alternative. If they aren't in school, what happens to them next? There are a lot of complicated consequences to deporting people in mass. You break up families, destroy certain industries, hurt communities, etc. If you don't educate or deport them, they become a bigger strain on society. Education may just be the lesser of two evils.
 
One solution is how a municipality is zoned. With large lot sizes and high taxes you can keep illegal immigrants that aren't wealthy out. Why? Because someone has to pay for the services that a municipality provides. A city, county, or state can't just create money out of thin air and be 20 trillion in debt for vote buying. Cities, counties, and states have to make more realistic decisions.
 
One solution is how a municipality is zoned. With large lot sizes and high taxes you can keep illegal immigrants that aren't wealthy out. Why? Because someone has to pay for the services that a municipality provides. A city, county, or state can't just create money out of thin air and be 20 trillion in debt for vote buying. Cities, counties, and states have to make more realistic decisions.

Sounds like a recipe to create a permanent underclass.
 
Its even worse than that. I have 3 school age kids ranging from elementary to high school and they go to school with illegals but here is the weird part. These kids can't speak English. They show up to class, they sit there, and they mostly have no idea what is going on and the school just does it because its PC. Its one of the most fucked up things I've seen since becoming a parent. Sometimes they have someone at the school that tries to teach them some English but most of the teachers don't speak Spanish and can't even say anything to these kids.

I remember growing up, there were kids in school who didn't speak English...at least not well. But they were all in mandatory ESL classes (English as a second language) to learn English. I would assume that the kids you are referring to are in the same boat; or at least should be. To me, it seemed standard. But we likely are from different areas.

I don't think the inability to speak English should preclude kids from going to school and taking part in the education system.
 
I remember growing up, there were kids in school who didn't speak English...at least not well. But they were all in mandatory ESL classes (English as a second language) to learn English. I would assume that the kids you are referring to are in the same boat; or at least should be. To me, it seemed standard. But we likely are from different areas.

I don't think the inability to speak English should preclude kids from going to school and taking part in the education system.

How do they take part in the education system until they can speak English?

They should be in a class to lean English when they first enter the system and until they can learn enough to function that should be their only class.
 
How do they take part in the education system until they can speak English?

They should be in a class to lean English when they first enter the system and until they can learn enough to function that should be their only class.

We don't have an "official language".
Most of these kids in ESL programs also place them in remedial classes.
They follow along in PE/Gym class.
They can do math problems.
The vast majority of the kids are Spanish speaking, and in my area, we had/have bilingual teachers who speak Spanish and English....who are specifically teaching these kids for other classes besides ESL.

In elementary school, the kids are lumped together into one class.
In Middle/Junior/Intermediate/High School the kids take multiple classes; some as ESL, others where they are in science classes (as an example) with other kids in their same position, and in some cases (like Gym/PE/Spanish) they are in class with the general population.

Learning Disabled kids are often treated the same. As are the mentally handicapped who are high enough functioning to attend school with the "regular" kids.

They aren't taking AP History or Creative Writing classes.

But in my area, it's a total melting pot. So the district actively works to make this happen to accommodate. I can see how this might be problematic in districts that have less diversity.
 
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