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Opinion History will not be kind to Joe Biden

I take it these genius "historians" you are referencing voted for Harris/Walz in 2024?

If they did, are you saying these historians are not wrong in their rankings because they agree with you politically?
Why would you make that assumption? No, it was a mix of conservative, liberal, and independent historians. I recall that when it came to Trump, even conservative historians ranked him in the bottom 5.
 
Why would you make that assumption? No, it was a mix of conservative, liberal, and independent historians.
Because the majority of people I know thought Biden was a disaster, and that included a mix of left wingers, progressives, moderates and centrists. I wasn't even thinking of the hardcore republican conservatives I know.
 
Regardless of how you feel about Biden, it's tough to give much credit to the man himself. His term will be remembered most by his administration lying for years about the president's cognitive abilities, backed by the media machine. Biggest presidential scandal in our lifetime and nobody will be held accountable for it.
the voters have already held them accountable
 
Sorry but no. Straightened out Trump’s pandemic/vaccine shitshow and ended the pandemic, achieved a level of government and corporate investment in American jobs and infrastructure not seen since the 1980s (that’s not hyperbole btw, it’s an actual fact), passed a massive infrastructure bill which is rebuilding the country and contributed billions to the economy, passed the Inflation Reduction Act which successfully brought down the inflation from the pandemic and paid for itself, the CHIPS and Science Act, the Build Back Better Act which massively improved public housing and modernized both drinking water and wastewater, oversaw a 19% increase in American wages with blue collar jobs being the biggest beneficiary, ensured low insulin prices for all Medicare recipients, recovered ALL the jobs lost in the pandemic plus added 9 million more (which is 2 million more jobs than Trump had added before he tanked everything— and that’s just off the top of my head.

Biden’s administration was a tremendous success, and history will remember him well even if Righties have their heads too far up their own ass to see it.
If that’s true then Kamala should’ve won in a landslide.
 
Because the majority of people I know thought Biden was a disaster, and that included a mix of left wingers, progressives, moderates and centrists. I wasn't even thinking of the hardcore republican conservatives I know.
Oh my. Thank goodness I was here to set them straight! ;)
 
Because the majority of people I know thought Biden was a disaster, and that included a mix of left wingers, progressives, moderates and centrists. I wasn't even thinking of the hardcore republican conservatives I know.
Biden literally had to drop out because he was so terrible. Of course @BFoe doesn't think that's the case, and instead thinks it was selfless patriotic act that had absolutely nothing to do with Biden being as popular as AIDS.
 
Biden literally had to drop out because he was so terrible.
It's pretty shameful to see the way Biden was handled. The fact that Harris and Walz were going along with the charade should have been a wake up call to every single last one of the lefties but there's still some that are resistant to the obvious. I personally was looking to Harris and Walz to clear some of the air, if they had been upfront and honest about it, I would have been interested in hearing more from them as a ticket. They made my decision to vote for Trump very easy. It is the reaction I got from other "Americans" who wanted to shame me for my vote which is the more disheartening part of this for me personally.
 
If that’s true then Kamala should’ve won in a landslide.
Why? It doesn’t just have to be true, people have to know that it’s true—and they didn’t.
Some of that can be blamed on messaging failures on our part. We should’ve done a better job communicating our successes, but also being honest about the work that was still ahead.

But also we have wayyy lost the media/messaging war with the Right. They have a zillion podcasts and YouTube channels that are pretty far reaching, and even TV networks like FOX do way better ratings than left leaning networks.

I saw Republicans TV ads and things. They did a pretty good job painting the picture that America is iN ChAoS despite the fact that Biden was already on track to deport more people than Trump did even before his executive orders on the border, crime is down nationally, border encounters are way down, unemployment is low, stock markets high, wages are up, inflation is down, we were much more fiscally responsible.

But people by and large are not well informed politically. People seem to think I sound like an elitist asshole when I say that, but it’s true.
 
Biden literally had to drop out because he was so terrible. Of course @BFoe doesn't think that's the case, and instead thinks it was selfless patriotic act that had absolutely nothing to do with Biden being as popular as AIDS.
It was his age and the optics of it, not his record. He looked to old and out of it to be fit for another four years. His record though, is quite good.
 
It was his age and the optics of it, not his record.
It was both, but mainly his popularity...due to his record. They had no problem throwing his shambling corpse out there when there was no danger of election. They doubled and tripled down on their incompetence for three years straight, to the tune of one of the worst approval ratings of all time heading into an election. He was unelectable. Plain and simple. They would've rolled his corpse out there no problem for another round with Trump, if his approval ratings were fine.

If you want to believe that an incumbent who had to drop out of a Presidential race due to being unelectable because of an all time disastrous term that saw him with record low approval ratings had a "good record", you go ahead and think that. The rest of us will live in reality.
 
The present hasn't been that kind to Joe Biden. I can't recall a U.S. president being basically ousted from his position, the way he was.

They took him out like "Old Yeller", there was very little dignity about his situation.
 
But also we have wayyy lost the media/messaging war with the Right. They have a zillion podcasts and YouTube channels that are pretty far reaching, and even TV networks like FOX do way better ratings than left leaning networks.
And what do you think the reason for that is? It's not like the left doesn't have thousands of podcasters out there, and the right just owns that space because they have their thumb on the scale. Conservative media today is more popular, because people like their message more. Liberal media is insufferable, if you're anything but a left wing loon. You have damn near all network television and Hollywood doing the bidding of Liberals, but they're not reaching people as much? Why is that? It's simply because most people don't like them as people(the condescending twats they are) or their shitty political messages. The Liberal "brand" these days is in the toilet.
 
Yeah there is nothing positive I can think of.
  • Failed on the economy.

  • ...
ya but that is your shortcoming. You need to be able to think, to think of something positive.

For instance, Trump is inheriting from Biden, as he did from Obama prior, the worlds leading economy that is soaring currently. The measures Trump used to tout, pre covid, about how great his economy was, Biden's economy is crushing.

You won't acknowledge reality as magats have no need for it or to think independently of that Dear Leader tells them.
 
Man the tightrope that people have to walk on just to insist Biden was akshually pretty good. what a sad sight.

Sure he ended with one of the worst approval ratings ever but his presidency was good!
Sure his own party kicked him off the card but that only happened because he was well too old for a second mandate, thing we furiously denied before the debate!
Sure we yelled at everybody calling him senile saying they are russian bots, nazis, etc, but please now that everybody accepted it and it became undeniable believe us that his presidency was pretty good!
We, the same people that yelled out lies 24/7 about his mental capacity are surely worth being taken seriously now when we say his presidency was good!

guys, just stop. it's so bad.
 
history will be unkind to every single politician of this era, with almost no exceptions. but compared to what he ended up sandwiched in between he probably doesn't have much to worry about in terms of historical embarrassment
 
history will be unkind to every single politician of this era, with almost no exceptions. but compared to what he ended up sandwiched in between he probably doesn't have much to worry about in terms of historical embarrassment

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Biden literally had to drop out because he was so terrible. Of course @BFoe doesn't think that's the case, and instead thinks it was selfless patriotic act that had absolutely nothing to do with Biden being as popular as AIDS.

Biden is crying that he thinks he would have beaten Trump and that Kamala is horrible. To suggest he willingly dropped out is laughable. He was and still is obviously bitter about it
 
It was both, but mainly his popularity...due to his record. They had no problem throwing his shambling corpse out there when there was no danger of election. They doubled and tripled down on their incompetence for three years straight, to the tune of one of the worst approval ratings of all time heading into an election. He was unelectable. Plain and simple. They would've rolled his corpse out there no problem for another round with Trump, if his approval ratings were fine.

If you want to believe that an incumbent who had to drop out of a Presidential race due to being unelectable because of an all time disastrous term that saw him with record low approval ratings had a "good record", you go ahead and think that. The rest of us will live in reality.
No, it was low popularity due to optics, and the perception of his record. Not only was it not an all-time disastrous term, it was a very good term in terms of economic recovery from the pandemic and the legislation passed.

I’ll give a couple examples. Here is a bunch of republicans trying to take credit for the infrastructure bill they voted against.

And here is republicans doing the same thing with the CHIPS and Science Act:

How are you going to act like we were a disaster, when not only did we accomplish far more in one term than Trump did in his, not only did we pass the infrastructure bill that Trump promises and failed at, but it was good enough that Republicans tried to take credit for it. <lol>

If you want to see an all-time disastrous term, please direct your attention to the Republican House of Representatives: passed the lowest number of bills in he modern era, kicked out their own Speaker—that’s “historic” in the sense that no other House has been dysfunctional enough to ever do that shit before—threatened shutdowns every 5 seconds, made a deal with us to avoid that and then immediately reneged on it…truly an epic disaster. But voters don’t seem to want to hold them accountable, so we can expect more of the same in the future.

And what do you think the reason for that is? It's not like the left doesn't have thousands of podcasters out there, and the right just owns that space because they have their thumb on the scale. Conservative media today is more popular, because people like their message more. Liberal media is insufferable, if you're anything but a left wing loon. You have damn near all network television and Hollywood doing the bidding of Liberals, but they're not reaching people as much? Why is that? It's simply because most people don't like them as people(the condescending twats they are) or their shitty political messages. The Liberal "brand" these days is in the toilet.

The issue (according to studies done) is that conservatives get their news from far fewer outlets than we libs do, and they are far less willing to trust news sources outside their bubble. So these network news sources you speak of, like ABC or NBC, are highly accurate news sources that may lean *slightly* left—but conservatives don’t pay attention to them, trust them, or get news from them.

Right wing media has, over a period of several years, cultivated a climate where conservatives will only believe that those media outlets tell them, and will generally refuse to believe what they are told outside of that bubble. If fact checks debunk the right wing narrative, well then fact checkers can’t be trusted either! Conservatives are more likely to fall for fake news, more likely to use fewer media sources than liberals, and more likely to exist in a social media echo chamber.

The present hasn't been that kind to Joe Biden. I can't recall a U.S. president being basically ousted from his position, the way he was.

They took him out like "Old Yeller", there was very little dignity about his situation.
LBJ was probably the last time this happened. His record is complicated insofar as on the one hand, he oversaw amazing things like the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Clean Air Act, the creation of Medicare and Medicaid…
But he was also the Vietnam War President, and that of course caused very low popularity, so LBJ opted not to run again.
 
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Why? It doesn’t just have to be true, people have to know that it’s true—and they didn’t.
Some of that can be blamed on messaging failures on our part. We should’ve done a better job communicating our successes, but also being honest about the work that was still ahead.

But also we have wayyy lost the media/messaging war with the Right. They have a zillion podcasts and YouTube channels that are pretty far reaching, and even TV networks like FOX do way better ratings than left leaning networks.

I saw Republicans TV ads and things. They did a pretty good job painting the picture that America is iN ChAoS despite the fact that Biden was already on track to deport more people than Trump did even before his executive orders on the border, crime is down nationally, border encounters are way down, unemployment is low, stock markets high, wages are up, inflation is down, we were much more fiscally responsible.

But people by and large are not well informed politically. People seem to think I sound like an elitist asshole when I say that, but it’s true.
Or maybe they’re just smarter than you and you aren’t as smart as you think you are.
 
It was his age and the optics of it, not his record. He looked to old and out of it to be fit for another four years. His record though, is quite good.
If his record was so good (lol) then the optics wouldn’t have mattered.
 
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