Hips and what they mean to me

aries said:
He had really good lower body flexibility and amazing mobility for a HW that's for sure. Sometimes he'd get so low he'd be doing effectively ass to the grass squats eyes still on his opponent and gloves still up all while weaving and executed at speed. That's impressive.


But it did take it's toll long term as he had lots of lower back issues as he got older.
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That pic is exactly what I had in mind, I remember how low he got in that fight and my jaw was on the floor. I guess when youo dedicate your life to a sport and to becoming champion you don't care about potential health problems you might run into in the future.
 
I don't think that deep bobbing was the reason for his back issues if you do it right it should have little if anything to do with your back if anything it was his side to side upper body movement.
 
Tyson's back problems stemmed from the side-to-side movement ingrained in the peek-a-boo system. The motions originate in the lower-back, unfortunately. Patterson's back problems were worse. He was having his back cracked by his cornermen DURING the Ali fight. Teddy Atlas also retired from boxing as an Amateur due to scoliosis, I'm sure those motions didn't help matters.
 
Sinister said:
Tyson's back problems stemmed from the side-to-side movement ingrained in the peek-a-boo system. The motions originate in the lower-back, unfortunately. Patterson's back problems were worse. He was having his back cracked by his cornermen DURING the Ali fight. Teddy Atlas also retired from boxing as an Amateur due to scoliosis, I'm sure those motions didn't help matters.
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If anything it has to be the side to side movement. But tbh while sometimes Tyson's side to side upper body movement looked like it was coming from the back other times it looked like he used his hips or hips and knees.
And I stumbled upon this video and at the end Rooney shows the slipping motion and though some of it may come from the back it looks like some kind of awkward hip motion so I'm not really sure the peejaboo style really intends to use the lower back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUl_VDDKjUk
 
Thing is if you jerk the back quickly like that, even only sometimes, you're bound to throw out something.
 
Damn Mike can get really low. I remember him being able to do that in the fight night games. He was something.

It sucks about the back problems. I seen something recently on why the spine should not move like that. making "side bend" exercises dangerous. Switch to something like Landmines or Suitcase holds to hit your obliques.
 
WillW said:
Damn Mike can get really low. I remember him being able to do that in the fight night games. He was something.

It sucks about the back problems. I seen something recently on why the spine should not move like that. making "side bend" exercises dangerous. Switch to something like Landmines or Suitcase holds to hit your obliques.
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Yea the spine is not a joint, it shouldn't be treated like one.
 
Mentally I'm reconstructing my years past with hip motion in mind. I once had a guy DUCK my body shot and step off before the following punch came out. Mad hips.
 
i got some back issues from moving like that, especially on my left side. i think if i strengthened my abs and lower back more earlier i probably wouldve been fine, though. an exercise all boxers should do are saxon side bends.
 
Video is posted in "soothing the beast". If there is ANY improvement then I want to thank you guys for taking the time to explain using the hips in boxing, because that was a huge door you opened for me.
 
When you first start doing this exercise, don't turn the feet. I know it seems weird, but it's JUST to get the hips used to moving on their own without the legs helping them out. Joint isolation for optimal function. The MOST to allow for is turning the rear foot a bit forward, but keep the lead foot still and let the hips do the work. Once they "realize" they can, it'll get much much easier and your legs won't tire because they won't be working to compensate for a lack of movement.
 
Weird, that's gonna really limit the amount I can face my hips either way. Do I eventually turn the feet in future exercises?
 
Yes, it moves in progression. Like I've said before, this exercise is for boxing, but it also functions as sort of physical therapy for immobile hips. First JUST the hips move, when they become flexible, fluid, and the motion becomes easy...then you add in lifting the heels alternately. When you go onto the right foot, left heel goes up. When you go onto the left foot, right heel goes up (you'll be able to do this without the head going past the lead foot). When you're ready to add in the punches, you can add in the turning of the feet to suit the punches. Your hips will be mobile, movements will be fluid, you'll be elusive, in optimal positions to counter...and with BALANCE. Which means your attacks will hurt and theirs won't. Instead of having you dig this video up (and since you're always pressed for time) this is a kid I was working with who was in the middle-stages of learning it. Basic hip-mobility was improved enough to START adding punches. Watch his feet at first, they don't move. But they do when the punches go in:



(And yes he did go a bit further onto the left hip than I'd liked when throwing the rear hand, residual effect of another trainer.)
 
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I was taught to push my knees out when I get low, having that rear foot at 90 degrees is pretty common in my sparring vids.
 
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