High plains drifter assault scene

spacegnome said:
his characters are fine but the longer im alive the more transparent and foolish they seem to be. its a mythology and an archetype that i think is the key to failure in life and that only works in movies.
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I've watched 2 of his movies recently, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Million Dollar Baby. I liked the tale of revenge in Josey Wales. It's relatable in that bad things have been happening to innocent people since forever. Revenge stories have been done to death but they are relatable. We can all imagine how we'd react in that type of situation and I would prefer to try and fight back rather than curl up and die if bad people went after my loved ones. Of course, it's just a movie, but I liked it and appreciated his character.

In Million Dollar Baby, I enjoyed the moral dilemma he was faced with in the end. Again, it's not something most of us will ever have to go through, but I felt like I understood his choice even though he was breaking the law. It was another moral gray zone type of movie, less straightforward than Josey Wales.

I liked it. I'm not down with rape under any circumstances, even if the woman is supposedly asking for it, but it was just one character in an otherwise great line up of classic movies. Clint's still a badass imo.
 
Robocok said:
I've watched 2 of his movies recently, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Million Dollar Baby. I liked the tale of revenge in Josey Wales. It's relatable in that bad things have been happening to innocent people since forever. Revenge stories have been done to death but they are relatable. We can all imagine how we'd react in that type of situation and I would prefer to try and fight back rather than curl up and die if bad people went after my loved ones. Of course, it's just a movie, but I liked it and appreciated his character.

In Million Dollar Baby, I enjoyed the moral dilemma he was faced with in the end. Again, it's not something most of us will ever have to go through, but I felt like I understood his choice even though he was breaking the law. It was another moral gray zone type of movie, less straightforward than Josey Wales.

I liked it. I'm not down with rape under any circumstances, even if the woman is supposedly asking for it, but it was just one character in an otherwise great line up of classic movies. Clint's still a badass imo.
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i respect your take but i had to find better heroes in life than the type eastwood plays.
 
spacegnome said:
i respect your take but i had to find better heroes in life than the type eastwood plays.
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I like Clint as an actor and think he plays some cool alpha characters when he's not raping people. I don't know that I'd call him my hero or someone who I actively model my life after but I do respect his overall work as an actor. Who are your heroes?
 
Robocok said:
I like Clint as an actor and think he plays some cool alpha characters when he's not raping people. I don't know that I'd call him my hero or someone who I actively model my life after but I do respect his overall work as an actor. Who are your heroes?
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i was raised by an old school man like eastwoods characters and ive got some stories some would not believe about my dad like when he threw a man out a window for swearing in front of a lady and when the guy came back in to challenge my dad he threw him right back out the window!!

but that old school stuff is ultimately about ego and pride and self-- being the one lone guy that can stop evil and is all about shutting down emotions and connections between human beings for some kind of ultra tough mythology that is anti human.


ill take any christain saint over that bs any day. give me someone softened by love, refined by purification and silenced by great power and who has had his/her ego ground into dust any day over the self aggrandizement the western mythology offers us.

still-- i am the guy to defend the weak in the way that my dad portrayed to me occasionally and i do have some respect for it.
 
Robocok said:
I'm still a fan of Clint but this scene still has me irked because I don't think it's right to rape anyone. It's not enough to completely destroy my being a fan of his movies, but I don't agree with that scene being in the movie. Rape is wrong.
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A rape scene being in a movie doesn't mean the movie is pro-rape. This movie is about an outlaw who kills people. I have no issues with scenes like this in a movie but it wouldn't make it into the cut today, not because it promotes rape but because too many people are easily offended.
 
One theme of the film is that Eastwood's character is basically a karmatic ghost. He punishes people for their wrongdoings by punishing them in accordance with their crimes.

The town in general are a bunch of scheming backstabbing manipulators. So he punishes them by absolutely mucking up their schemes to have him save them from the bandits. Another karmatic clapback would be their racism towards the Indians. Indians can't buy stuff from the store -- so Eastwood just waltzs in there and hands the Natives stuff off the shelves free of charge.

The female character follows this model. She uses sex to scheme and manipulate (recall that she attempts to have Eastwood assassinated after sleeping with him later). So Eastwood straights up rapes her. Another karmactic punishment.

Don't get me wrong. The scene is super fucked up. But there is a thematic throughline going on here.
 
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EDIT: However, even on a thematic level, there is something off-kilter about this rape scene. Throughout the movie Eastwood is seen upraising (or at least safeguarding) the "outsiders" of the town (The Dwarf, the Mexicans, the Natives) while trashing the "respectable establishment" part of the community whom all turn out to be backstabbing bastards worthy of punishment. It does kind of seem that a "harlot" would be more on an "outsider" to this community than she would be the "establishment"

Her character kind of breaks the establishment/outsider dichotomy the movie has going for it.
 
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Robocok said:
A recent thread inspired me to revisit some of Clint Eastwood's old westerns. I recently watched The Outlaw Josey Wales which was awesome. Tonight I started High Plains Drifter and I'm kind of dumbfounded by this scene I just watched.



So, it cuts off early in this clip, but in the movie, he finishes. Like, how was this acceptable to show back then? Was this considered normal behavior of a protagonist as recently as a few decades ago? Like, wtf?

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it was revenge bro
 
Clint gives no fucks, like in this scene in Escape from Alcatraz
 
Reminds me this scene where James Bond forces himself on this lesbian character, Pussy Galore, with his judo skills.

 
Robocok said:
I like Clint as an actor and think he plays some cool alpha characters when he's not raping people. I don't know that I'd call him my hero or someone who I actively model my life after but I do respect his overall work as an actor. Who are your heroes?
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its not considered alpha to get your rocks off with a passerby?

I dont think anyone has told the Animal Kingdom this......

https://mensvariety.com/seals-animals-raping-animals-001/
 
Skarr said:
its not considered alpha to get your rocks off with a passerby?

I dont think anyone has told the Animal Kingdom this......

https://mensvariety.com/seals-animals-raping-animals-001/
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Monkeys throw their shit. Many species eat shit. I don't think the lower animals set a bar that we should aspire to. Personally, I feel like if some guy is forcing himself onto other people, he needs his bitch rapist ass kicked.
 
From the basis of these threads nearly every movie that comes out today promotes murder.

The Sopranos promotes joining the Mafia.

Lord of the Rings promotes going on an adventure with your buddies and targeting one racial group almost exclusively with violence.

John Wick promotes murdering 7000 people because your dog got killed.

Someone needs to think of the children and stop allowing the movies and TV shows to be released.
 
Woldog said:
From the basis of these threads nearly every movie that comes out today promotes murder.

The Sopranos promotes joining the Mafia.

Lord of the Rings promotes going on an adventure with your buddies and targeting one racial group almost exclusively with violence.

John Wick promotes murdering 7000 people because your dog got killed.

Someone needs to think of the children and stop allowing the movies and TV shows to be released.
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Bring back rape in movies again. Amirite? It's just a movie.
 
Robocok said:
Bring back rape in movies again. Amirite? It's just a movie.
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I'm not sure if you comprehend what a work of fiction is. But most movies are works of fiction, a fictional rape is no different from a fictional murder or a fictional torture scene.
I'm not sure white knighting fictional scenes is what is supposed to come from this. The fact it invoked an emotional response from you means it did what it was supposed to. Scenes in films, books, tv shows are supposed to strike you on an emotional level. But don't construe this into being something other than a fictional scene, with fictional characters being portrayed by actors telling a story.
Because boy do I hope you never see Game of Thrones or the Handmaiden's Tale.
 
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