International Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

1. I am denying any casualty numbers that coming from Hamas.
2. Those who were killed weren't killed because they are Arabs, but because they were used as civilian shields BY THE GOVERNMENT THEY ELECTED.
3. Israel must first and foremost protect its citizens - that is the foundation of any state. If Hamas decided that it doesn't give a damn about its civilians, then that is definitely not Israel's problem.
You seem stuck in October 2023.

1.The numbers are confirmed by pretty much everyone, and we're accepted by everyone in the previous wars. If anything they're underestimated

2. The only proof we have of human shields is Israel using Palestinian civilians but hey you're ok with that : https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-tunnels/00000191-4c84-d7fd-a7f5-7db6b99e0000

3. Does it work for Palestine too or is it only one way ? After the 2009 war, 2012 war, 2014 war, 2018 protest repression were israeli snipers gloated about destroying 42 knees a day, and now the current genocide in Gaza and land grab trough terror in the WB do the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves or should they just get in line to be killed ?

Not entertaining you anyway, we had those discussions and nauseam for a year and it boils down to the fact that Arabs are not really considered humans in your eyes. The fact that some remain on a land that israelis took from them by force can't hide that no matter how much you repeat it.
 
again, what's an acceptable way to respond to terrorists who attack from another country?
They've already been hurling thousands of bombs into Lebanon.

Is that not enough for you? Over 80% of the rockets fired in that conflict are coming from Israel into Lebanon.

Distributing small bombs completely uncontrolled out into the populace is a terrorist act. GASSING people is a terrorist act. Israel is doing both, AND bombing them.

When are you idiots going to wake up to the fact that ISRAEL ARE THE TERRORISTS
 
Hezbollah has always understood that its vulnerability is mobile phones. The group’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, has said many times that Israel uses mobile networks to pinpoint the locations of militants.

Some of Nasrallah’s new concerns were prompted by Iranian reports that Israel had acquired new means of hacking phones, activating microphones and cameras remotely to spy on their owners. Israel had invested millions in developing the technology, three intelligence officials said, and word spread among Hezbollah and its allies that all mobile communications — even encrypted messaging programs — were insecure.

As a result, Nasrallah not only banned the use of mobile phones in Hezbollah operative meetings, he ordered that details of Hezbollah’s movements and plans never be transmitted via mobile phone, three of the officials said. He ordered that Hezbollah commanders carry specially commissioned pagers at all times, and in the event of a major war, these pagers would be used to tell fighters where and when forces would be deployed.


So there is clearly zero point to give those pagers to doctors or anybody who is not a militant.
Its possible that it was almost entirely militants given these devices, I'm sure in the coming weeks we'll get more info and a better picture as to what exactly happened. Just saying its also possible that since Hezbollah does operate hospitals and clinics that there's a non-zero chance that someone involved in the non-military roles were assigned these devices for one reason to another.
 
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I spoke to someone about this whole situation when it happened. From what she said this is all happening in one part of the country that none of her side of the country give a fuck about. She almost seemed impressed by what Israel is doing and was very supportive of the whole thing. Was kind of shocked to hear it honestly.

Forgot to add she's from Lebanon and goes back there frequently. Actually just go back not that long ago.
 
Umm no, the terms that we both outlined don't really have a realistic chance of happening. Perpetual war has happened and is currently happening so it's the more realistic or probable outcome here.
no, but those are the terms that are necessary. The only real obstacle is the US cuckholding for zionism
 
1.The numbers are confirmed by pretty much everyone, and we're accepted by everyone in the previous wars. If anything they're underestimated
Yeah right by pretty much everyone. Let me guess the UN's UNRWA
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I spoke to someone about this whole situation when it happened. From what she said this is all happening in one part of the country that none of her side of the country give a fuck about. She almost seemed impressed by what Israel is doing and was very supportive of the whole thing. Was kind of shocked to hear it honestly.

Forgot to add she's from Lebanon and goes back there frequently. Actually just go back not that long ago.
It looks like many of the explosions happened in Beirut.

Lebanese Sunnis are not fans of Hezbollah ever since the their involvement in the Syrian Civil War. And of course there are also Christians and Druze in Lebanon who might not care for Hezbollah either for their own reasons.
 

Lebanon explosions raise alarm about supply chain security, safety of tech​

At least 32 people were killed when thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies detonated in attacks blamed on Israel.

By John Power
Published On 19 Sep 202419 Sep 2024

The use of pagers and walkie-talkies in back-to-back coordinated explosions in Lebanon has drawn scrutiny to the security of global supply chains and their vulnerability to tampering by governments or other actors.

The utilisation of thousands of electronic devices in the apparent attacks, which are widely believed to have been orchestrated by Israel as part of an operation targeting Lebanon’s armed group Hezbollah, has raised the spectre of everyday communications equipment being weaponised in the future.


Tech companies are likely to see the attacks as a powerful reminder of the importance of securing their supply chains, while the general public’s trust in technology may also take a hit, tech industry and supply chain analysts told Al Jazeera.

“Every company that makes or sells physical devices will be worrying about the integrity of their supply chain,” said James Grimmelmann, Tessler Family professor of digital and information law at Cornell Tech and Cornell Law School in the United States.

“They are likely to consider adding additional safeguards and verifications so that they can better detect and prevent moves like this.”

While Israel has been implicated in assassinations using tampered communications devices before – including the 1996 killing of Hamas bombmaker Yahya Ayyash via an explosives-rigged mobile phone – the scale of the attacks, involving thousands of simultaneous detonations, was unprecedented.

At least 32 people were killed and more than 3,100 were injured in the explosions on Tuesday and Wednesday, including Hezbollah members and civilians, according to Lebanese authorities.

Erosion of public trust

Brian Patrick Green, director of technology ethics at the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics at Santa Clara University in the US, described the attacks as a potential watershed for the public’s trust in their electronic devices.

“Somehow thousands of devices were turned into weapons without anyone noticing it. How widespread are these explosive devices? How did the explosives get into the devices or the device supply chains? This attack raises terrifying questions that were never even considered before,” Green said.

Mariarosaria Taddeo, a professor of digital ethics and defence technologies at University of Oxford, said the attacks set a concerning precedent as they involved interference with the supply chain “not for a specific act of sabotage but for a distributed, highly impactful attack”.

“This scenario has been considered by experts but less so by state actors. If something good comes out of them, this is going to a public debate on control of the supply chain, strategic autonomy over digital assets, and digital sovereignty,” Taddeo said.

While it is unclear exactly how the pagers and walkie-talkies were turned into explosive devices, Lebanese and US officials have told multiple media outlets that Israeli intelligence booby-trapped the devices with explosive materials.

Israel has not commented to either confirm or deny responsibility.

Taiwanese company Gold Apollo, whose brand of pagers were used in the attacks, on Wednesday denied manufacturing the deadly devices, saying they had been made under licence by a company called BAC.

Gold Apollo’s CEO Hsu Ching-kuang told US radio NPR that BAC had paid his company through a Middle Eastern bank account that was blocked at least once by his firm’s Taiwanese bank.

BAC, which is based in Hungary’s capital Budapest, has not responded to requests for comment.

On Thursday, The New York Times, citing three unnamed intelligence officials, reported that BAC was an Israeli front set up to manufacture the explosive pagers.

Icom, a radio equipment maker based in Japan, said it had stopped producing the model of radios reportedly used in the attacks about 10 years ago.

“It was discontinued about 10 years ago, and since then, it has not been shipped from our company,” Icom said in a statement.

“The production of the batteries needed to operate the main unit has also been discontinued, and a hologram seal to distinguish counterfeit products was not attached, so it is not possible to confirm whether the product shipped from our company.”

Patrick Lin, director of Ethics + Emerging Sciences Group at California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly), said there are important questions about where in the supply chain the devices were compromised.

“Was it during the manufacturing process, or in transit, or at the system operator’s level right before the devices are assigned to individuals?” Lin said.

“If it were done during the manufacturing process, then other technology manufacturers should be more concerned, as the other ways are outside their control. If the pager manufacturer wasn’t a willing accomplice in such a scenario, then their operational security was seriously compromised.”

How will tech companies respond?

However the devices may have been tampered with, the attacks could further accelerate moves towards technology that is “homegrown within a nation’s borders for tighter control of supply-chain security, whether it’s smartphones, drones, social media apps, whatever,” Lin said.

Milad Haghani, a supply chain expert at the School of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the University of New South Wales in Australia, said he expects to see a “widespread reckoning” that will lead companies to tighten their supply chain security protocols.

“For tech companies in general, this situation is unprecedented in its scale, and many likely haven’t taken the security of their production processes as seriously before,” Haghani said.

“Many companies may not have been fully equipped to handle such threats,” he said, adding that the explosions in Lebanon will lead to a significant ramp-up in security efforts within organisations.

Smartphone giants such as Apple, Samsung, Huawei, Xiomi and LG are viewed as less vulnerable to being compromised than smaller companies, analysts said, citing reasons including their greater attention to security, the relatively targeted nature of the operation against Hezbollah, and the more limited space in their devices in which to place substances such as explosives.

“There will be curiosity but their production and delivery chains are completely different to small-scale companies, including vendors of counterfeit transceivers. So at least now there’s no reason to consider that they may be affected,” said Lukasz Olejnik, a visiting senior research fellow of the Department of War Studies of King’s College London.

“However, the big companies may be inclined to highlight the differences in their ways of doing things.”

Others expressed less confidence that Big Tech is immune from such concerns, pointing to the fact that companies rely on smaller suppliers that may make for easier targets or that they have cooperated with governments to target individuals in less deadly ways, most notably to spy on their communications.

Full read:

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2...alarm-about-supply-chain-security-tech-safety
 
Does it work for Palestine too or is it only one way ? After the 2009 war, 2012 war, 2014 war, 2018 protest repression were israeli snipers gloated about destroying 42 knees a day, and now the current genocide in Gaza and land grab trough terror in the WB do the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves or should they just get in line to be killed ?
So they wanted a war?! Ok. They got it! Then why are you whining, lol?!
 
Not entertaining you anyway, we had those discussions and nauseam for a year and it boils down to the fact that Arabs are not really considered humans in your eyes. The fact that some remain on a land that israelis took from them by force can't hide that no matter how much you repeat it.
I am definitely not going to spend a year on a pointless chatter, lol. The dogs are barking, but the caravan moves on.
 
I think something like large amount of bombs (8,000 tons total????) were dropped on Dresden in WW2 that is deemed controversial in retrospect. Even though nobody would view WW2 Germany as a colonized people being ethnically cleansed or living in an apartheid state. And would view the German war machine as exponentially more dangerous and damaging than Hamas.

Israel has dropped I think about 75,000 tons of bombs on Gaza which is a more dilapidated and resource insecure area to begin with. Against people human rights orgs often view as being victims of crimes against humanity.

It will be interesting to think years from now how this will be looked back on.
 
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