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Herb made a bad call in Michal/Holland

StonedLemur said:
It wasn't snapped sir.

Then they should've stopped Tony vs Charles, they should stopped JDM vs Burns, etc etc etc.
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I watched the fight on my phone on 6am in the morning but it looked like it broke. I may be wrong but if arm snaps and you can clearly see it happen it should be called. It's a violence sport but still it's on maisntream product. If the arm didnt break Michal does have a case for getting a nc agreed.
 
StonedLemur said:
Either way it was a bad call sir.

Much love ...oh, how's the shoulder feeling?
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Getting stronger.

Not pain free by any stretch of the imagination but definitely improving and responding better to workouts.
Even just a few weeks back physical therapy meant I probably needed to pack my shoulder in ice most of the rest of the day, that is no longer the case.

I am working my motherfucking ass off.
Physical therapy 3x/week and I lift hard all those days plus another 2-3× at home.

Taking my vitamin T.
Diet dialed in.
Getting disciplined and on track with cardio.

I'm gonna make this shoulder bulletproof.

<{JustBleed}> <bringit>
 
djason1988 said:
His arm never broke, he said as much, and arms almost never break from an armbar. They attack the joint.
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{<huh}

We saw it snap my guy. He couldn't use it afterwards. It was either broken or dislocated and both are valid reasons to stop a fight. See Jamahal Hill v Paul Craig.
 
Ramon Antonio said:
Jack Madellena beat Gilbert Burns with a broken arm. So clearly a broken arm doesn't stop you from fighting.
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Which neither he nor the ref knew until the fight was over. That's not the same. When it snaps and is no longer useable the fight is over. Obviously we've seen instances of fighters being able to hide injuries and fight on. Broken fingers is a common one. Every instance of a noticeably dislocated limb in the UFC has been stopped.
 
djason1988 said:
While Michal probably should have tapped, he didn't, and Herb prematurely stopped the fight because he thought Michal was reaching to tap. The arm had already "popped" well before he actually stopped it, but herb let it continue, and then they claimed it he stopped it because of the armbar. "Technical submission". He just misread it, and he's gotten a pass for it.



At this level, the ref doesn't get to stop the fight because he thinks you might be hurt. Look at literally any of Rouseys armbars, or the jones/vitor one, or several other subs. If they don't tap, and are still concious, the fight goes on. We've seen multiple fighters continue with severe joint/limb damage, even aside from subs. Fighters getting their foot or hand broke, blowing their knee out, etc. Stopping a fight due to injury is a doctor's call.



Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying Michal would have won, or that not tapping was the right thing to do, but rather just pointing out that it's kind of crazy that Herb blatantly made a bad call and nobody is saying anything about it.
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Need a Herb Dean Poll.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
You almost certainly cannot win a fight if you have only one arm, that is why it is a technical stoppage. It is no different then people who are new to MMA asking why fights are stopped when someone takes a lot of punches but is still conscious.
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There is a key difference here ...

A fighter "out on his feet" (from punches) CANNOT MAKE A DECISION ...

Whereas a fighter "in a bad submission hold" CAN STILL THINK (unless it's a choke) ...

FYI ...
 
djason1988 said:
His arm never broke. He's already released statements saying such.
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There was clearly a snap and some damage done. A ref can’t determine the extent of that damage during the match you imbecile bird brain. Doesn’t matter what was determined after. Herb can’t stop the match and take an X-ray then let it continue, he has to use judgement in that moment, and clearly you can see why he would make that call. Calling you a bird brain is an insult to birds because if ur brain were in a birds skull it would fly backwards.
 
Ramon Antonio said:
Jack Madellena beat Gilbert Burns with a broken arm. So clearly a broken arm doesn't stop you from fighting.
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StonedLemur said:
It wasn't snapped sir.

Then they should've stopped Tony vs Charles, they should stopped JDM vs Burns, etc etc etc.
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There is a difference between getting your arm mangled in half at the elbow in an armbar and breaking your ulnar bone blocking a kick in every sense, from usability to pain.
 
WoozyFailGuy said:
There is a difference between getting your arm mangled in half at the elbow in an armbar and breaking your ulnar bone blocking a kick in every sense, from usability to pain.
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Ok, but can you explain Tony vs Charles sir?
 
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jeff7b9 said:
Getting stronger.

Not pain free by any stretch of the imagination but definitely improving and responding better to workouts.
Even just a few weeks back physical therapy meant I probably needed to pack my shoulder in ice most of the rest of the day, that is no longer the case.

I am working my motherfucking ass off.
Physical therapy 3x/week and I lift hard all those days plus another 2-3× at home.

Taking my vitamin T.
Diet dialed in.
Getting disciplined and on track with cardio.

I'm gonna make this shoulder bulletproof.

<{JustBleed}> <bringit>
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Fuck yeah, lets get that shit near 100%
 
StonedLemur said:
Ok, but can explain Tony vs Charles sir?
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It was right at the end of the round, wasn't all the way hyperextended like Michelson, and herb still immediately jumped on it, but it wasn't torn out of commission like Michels. Tony still used his arm the next two rounds, while there is no way in hell Michels arm was going to do much more than dangle the rest of the night.


Holland had another 3 minutes to crank michels arm into non-existence and it was already compromised by the unified rules, plus as I said earlier, I saw him brazillian tap, the old two tap magoo
 
Doctor Grudge said:
No..a broken arm from a submission is a technical submission. That's why there is a term called technical submission, that is the standard call not the exception.

Fighters may go with popped shoulders from throwing a punch, but you hardly ever see people with broken limbs in compromised positions continuing. There is a difference between popping your shoulder while in a neutral standing position, and having your limbs torn up while you are pinned down in a submission.

You almost certainly cannot win a fight if you have only one arm, that is why it is a technical stoppage. It is no different then people who are new to MMA asking why fights are stopped when someone takes a lot of punches but is still conscious.
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sonhow said:
If the arm snaps the fight is done. At that point it has nothing to do with his desire to continue. He shouls have tapped before it snapped anyway.
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If that's true then Jones should have a technical submission loss to Vitor
 
PrideNverDies said:
If that's true then Jones should have a technical submission loss to Vitor
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Another slight hyperextension, comparatively speaking to the fight in question, Jones elbow was in Vitors thigh, not being bent over Vitor's hip.
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djason1988 said:
His arm never broke, he said as much, and arms almost never break from an armbar. They attack the joint.
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That's somewhat the point. He says it's not broken but it was most definitely hyper extended. Armbars rarely actually break the arm. They hyperextend followed by tearing.
 
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