Has your confidence in USADA been shaken??

[JoshR86]

The amount of time it has taken for Jones' sentencing to be determined is not abnormal, there's precedent with other fighters for it to take this long, if not longer. Additionally, we are unaware of which party is delaying the process, so to appoint blame to USADA without evidence denotes a lack of objectivity.

His admittance of having his signature forged and lying about the USADA-mandated tutorials, in addition to lying on his supplement control form is nothing more than evidence against leniency for when USADA hands out the suspension or if the case is taken to arbitration.

Comparing Jones' number of tests to Cormier is hardly an apples to apples comparison, given that Cormier has fought twice since the Jones fight. If you compare Jones' number of tests with other pending-suspended fighters, it wouldn't look as suspicious.

If you can't think of a single reason for why it's taking so long, then you clearly haven't thought very much over it and/or are ignorant of the precedent with other cases. Jones isn't receiving a special sort of due process, there's precedent for other fighters receiving the same afforded rights.


You're confusing his hearing with CSAC with his pending case with USADA; and for the record, CSAC's punishment wasn't a slap on the wrist (in spite of Foster's comments).

You also have no evidence of "backdoor meetings".


Fighters can get anything they want tested through USADA, but you're jumping to the conclusion that the products that Jones had tested would've been admissible as mitigating evidence despite having not listed them on his supplement control form.

The fact is, Jones never introduced any supplements into the hearing with CSAC, and had in fact been called out by CSAC over his testing of supplements he failed to list on the form.

Resorting to personal insults against @dimspace only further weakens the strength of your argument.


No, he has not.

Case and point: there was a 13 month gap from the time Rothwell's positive test was announced to the time he accepted their suspension, he was only tested twice in 2017.


That sounds nothing like you...

Fair enough.

Questions.

Does it matter who is delaying?? The question is if its being delayed, there are obviously back door meetings, because the meetings his manager refers to happen in private as they should.

Again you have failed to make a logical argument for a fighter to rat himself out in order to test supplements that would have no bearing in his case. Its a ridiculous proposition, to then say" Hey, he didnt use it in his hearing with the commission " is also ridiculous, because there was nothing to use, all 10 additional supplements failed to explain how he had turinobol in his system.

 

[dim_]

Anderson Silva has been tested 4 times in 2018.

Nick Diaz 3 times in 2018

Never realised how full of shit you were. If your going to start making up statistics in order to fabricate an argument then there really is no need to continue this dialogue. Had a lot more respect for your opinion until now.

ive given you the exact fucking dates, why are you even trying to fucking argue this..

Junior was caught on April of 2017, 9 month until suspension, was tested 3 in Q3 in 2017. His suspension ended in December, the Q3 ends in october, how was he not tested??

NO HE FUCKING WASNT!!!

this isnt even slightly fucking correct.


Junior was tested twice in Q3 of 2017 (3 samples)

The second week in July he provided 2 samples (blood and urine)

The 10th August he provided a single sample (urine) and this was the sample that caused his positive test

His potential violation was announced on 17th August 2017

The Final decision was announced on 23rd April 2018

He was suspended for 6 months from August 2017 so his suspension ended on 17th February 2018

After his positive sample (10th August) he did not give another sample to USADA until 25th April, 8 months 15 days after his positive test.

He did not provide a SINGLE sample to USADa during his suspension





You cant even get the most basic information correct. You are wrong about when his suspension starts and ends, and you are wrong about everything in between and then you have the fucking audacity to say I am making up statistics.

Serious question, are you just bored and trolling?



ps. you are going on quarters which are three months long so there is a huge amount of leeway in what you are arguing. I have the actual fucking test dates.

 

[dim_]

Fair enough.

Questions.

Does it matter who is delaying?? The question is if its being delayed, there are obviously back door meetings, because the meetings his manager refers to happen in private as they should.

Yes, there are numerous meetings between fighter/representatives and usada, thats how it works. Usada dont hold hearings like commissions. lThey enter into periods of discussion/discovery and negotiation with the athlete to try and reach an agreement. Only when no agreement can be reached do they go to nuetral arbitration

Again you have failed to make a logical argument for a fighter to rat himself out in order to test supplements that would have no bearing in his case. Its a ridiculous proposition, to then say" Hey, he didnt use it in his hearing with the commission " is also ridiculous, because there was nothing to use, all 10 additional supplements failed to explain how he had turinobol in his system.

As has been explained to you multiple times. The doping control forms only require supplements/medication taken in the prior 14 days.

obviously when we are dealing with substances like Turinabol which have a detection window of 2 months, then there will be a need to test supplements/medication OUTSIDE of that 14 day window.

To prevent the athlete from exercising that right would be manifestly unfair.

 

[acannxr]

Had a lot more respect for your opinion until now.

Well, just a couple of posts ago you called him a shill, but you still had respect for him when you said that? <Lmaoo>

Fair enough.

Questions.

Does it matter who is delaying?? The question is if its being delayed, there are obviously back door meetings, because the meetings his manager refers to happen in private as they should.

Again you have failed to make a logical argument for a fighter to rat himself out in order to test supplements that would have no bearing in his case. Its a ridiculous proposition, to then say" Hey, he didnt use it in his hearing with the commission " is also ridiculous, because there was nothing to use, all 10 additional supplements failed to explain how he had turinobol in his system.

Yes it matters who is delaying, because you're citing the delay as evidence for USADA's alleged corruption.

Since when did Jones ever make logical decisions? Did you actually watch his CSAC hearing? Did you listen to the things he said? The guy has a history of making illogical, irrational, and completely nonsensical decisions.

Congratulations ignoring the other 90% of my post, I'll simply consider those points conceded by you .

the prior 14 days.

Actually, according to USADA's website, it's only the last seven days.

"On this form, athletes are required to declare any and all medications or supplements that they’ve ingested or used in the past seven days, and to certify that their declaration is accurate."
https://www.usada.org/dcor-declaration-medications/

 

[dim_]

Anderson Silva has been tested 4 times in 2018.

Nick Diaz 3 times in 2018

Silva has been visited by testers three times in 2018 (4 samples)

First week in June - 1 urine sample
Third week in June - 1 urine sample
Second week in August - 1 blood, 1 urine sample



Nick Diaz visited by testers twice in 2018 (3 samples)

Second week in February - 1 urine sample
Last week in April - 1 blood, 1 urine sample


So I repeat:

Anderson Silva - Positive test October 2017 - next test June 2018 (8 months)

Nick Diaz - initial suspension started April 2017 - next test February 2018 (10 months)



Yet you continue to argue...

 

[Omega Man]

Is Trump going to jail? Nope. Money talks and bullshit walks.

 

[dim_]

Actually, according to USADA's website, it's only the last seven days.

"On this form, athletes are required to declare any and all medications or supplements that they’ve ingested or used in the past seven days, and to certify that their declaration is accurate."
https://www.usada.org/dcor-declaration-medications/

you are indeed correct.. just checked on a dcf

think with some commissions its 14 days.. i may be thinking back to the CSAC hearing

 

[acannxr]

Is Trump going to jail? Nope. Money talks and bullshit walks.

USADA makes most of its money outside of the UFC, so I'm suppose to believe that USADA would risk the majority of their revenue over a minority source's mid-level draw in Jon Jones? The same Jones that USADA pulled from UFC 200 which had a vast amount of promotional dollars dumped into?

you are indeed correct.. just checked on a dcf

think with some commissions its 14 days.. i may be thinking back to the CSAC hearing

Yeah, who knows how things might differ when AC's are involved. In-competition drug failures are pretty rare these days (at least that's my perception).

 

[dim_]

In-competition drug failures are pretty rare these days (at least that's my perception).

under usada, 14 in comp, 43 out of comp and 1 "other" (Nick Diaz' whereabouts violations)

and then theres been a smattering of in-comp cannabis positives in texas

 

[JoshR86]

Silva has been visited by testers three times in 2018 (4 samples)

First week in June - 1 urine sample
Third week in June - 1 urine sample
Second week in August - 1 blood, 1 urine sample



Nick Diaz visited by testers twice in 2018 (3 samples)

Second week in February - 1 urine sample
Last week in April - 1 blood, 1 urine sample


So I repeat:

Anderson Silva - Positive test October 2017 - next test June 2018 (8 months)

Nick Diaz - initial suspension started April 2017 - next test February 2018 (10 months)



Yet you continue to argue...

Perfect.

Why did they take multiple samples??

 

[TerraRayzing]

Apparently I have a long history of calling female mma fighters whores.. According to a mod..

Pft, they just jelly cause you know actual science.

 

[Newave]

The amount of time it has taken for Jones' sentencing to be determined is not abnormal, there's precedent with other fighters for it to take this long, if not longer. Additionally, we are unaware of which party is delaying the process, so to appoint blame to USADA without evidence denotes a lack of objectivity.

His admittance of having his signature forged and lying about the USADA-mandated tutorials, in addition to lying on his supplement control form is nothing more than evidence against leniency for when USADA hands out the suspension or if the case is taken to arbitration.

Comparing Jones' number of tests to Cormier is hardly an apples to apples comparison, given that Cormier has fought twice since the Jones fight. If you compare Jones' number of tests with other pending-suspended fighters, it wouldn't look as suspicious.

If you can't think of a single reason for why it's taking so long, then you clearly haven't thought very much over it and/or are ignorant of the precedent with other cases. Jones isn't receiving a special sort of due process, there's precedent for other fighters receiving the same afforded rights.


You're confusing his hearing with CSAC with his pending case with USADA; and for the record, CSAC's punishment wasn't a slap on the wrist (in spite of Foster's comments).

You also have no evidence of "backdoor meetings".


Fighters can get anything they want tested through USADA, but you're jumping to the conclusion that the products that Jones had tested would've been admissible as mitigating evidence despite having not listed them on his supplement control form.

The fact is, Jones never introduced any supplements into the hearing with CSAC, and had in fact been called out by CSAC over his testing of supplements he failed to list on the form.

Resorting to personal insults against @dimspace only further weakens the strength of your argument.


No, he has not.

Case and point: there was a 13 month gap from the time Rothwell's positive test was announced to the time he accepted their suspension, he was only tested twice in 2017.


That sounds nothing like you...

 

[dim_]

Perfect.

Why did they take multiple samples??

can you not read...

blood and urine.. you know they arent the same right... blood comes out of your veins, urine comes out of your penis or vagina (well actually your urethra but im not gonna go into it in too much detail)



The point is, your horseshit about Anderson being tested three times while suspended is as I told you horseshit.

Your claims that JDS tested positive in April and is suspended till december, horseshit.

horseshit.. steaming piles of horseshit

 

[Airdack]

Regardless of the outcome, it seems pretty obvious Jon has gotten special treatment in this process, from the amount of time hes been able to "work" with USADA, while admitting to forgery, while be allowed to test supplements he never even took, to being tested 13x less than DC in 2018, the impartiality to a high profile athlete is pretty obvious.

I can't think of a single reason why its taking soo long, he failed the test, failed to supply the contaminated supplement( a bs excuse anyway), is a repeat offender, i mean what is there to figure out??

When a high level fighter recieves different due process than other fighters then it has to put into question it's legitemacy when a drug test takes into account a fighters twitter following.

Has this shaken your confidence as well??

Funny no other highly tested fighters are testing positive for tainted dick pills, tainted supplements, being mid 20's and having the test levels of a 55yr old man. No other fighter has people saying he hid from usada under a cage. No other fighter has such disregard for morals they hit a pregnant chick, leave the scene, go back for money/drugs/illegally prescribed dick pills. No other top fighter has such physical advantages over their opponents but still need to rely on kicking knees and poking eyes to dominate.

Fuck Jones, hope usada buries him im the same deep ditch they tried to bury wandy in.

 

[fzoid4454]

Lyoto was suspendes in 8 months and was tested 2 times in Q4 of 2016, he was suspended in Nov. 2016

Brock was suspendes in 6 months.

Mendes didn't fight his case and was suspended within 2 months.

Junior was caught on April of 2017, 9 month until suspension, was tested 3 times in Q3 on 2017.

Jon Jones over a year and no verdict, was not tested since 1 time in Oct. 2017, none in Q1 2018, Q2 2018. 1 time in Q3 2018.

He has received far less testing than other athletes in his situation. My case is for impartiality and i believe this proves it.

Well, Mendes didn't fight his case, and was suspended faster. Jones is fighting his case, so why is it unusual that it would take longer to resolve?

Also, the thing that I mentioned and that you ignore - Jones is suspended. The final disposition of his appeal hasn't been resolved, but he was suspended, IMMEDIATELY, after the result. He has remained suspended. You act like the amount of time it's taking to resolve his case is some kind of boon to him. He's under suspension and can't fight this entire time.

There are a number of required "in-competition tests." So someone active in two weight classes is probably going to get tested more, overall, than someone not competing. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

Part of being in the testing pool means that you are subject to RANDOM tests. The thing about "random" is that it doesn't follow any quotas or requirements. Some have more, some have less, some will have none. That's not because of special favors, it's because it's...... wait for it....... random. If he's treated "the same" as other fighters, that would indicate it is not random. Not random is more subject to actual manipulation.

And your facts are completely wrong. Junior Dos Santos was suspended in AUGUST, not April, of 2017, because of a test he took on AUGUST 10. July, August & September = Q3. He was tested three times in Q3, that would include his failed test. So, other than not having the facts straight, what is your point?