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dontsnitch said:
Forgetting that morality cannot apply to God like it does to humans, your objection seems like it's the way they die? What's the difference if someone dies of cancer or is mauled by a bear?

Is death inherently immoral?
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Why can't it apply? We are created in his image after all. I assume that means more than just physical appearance.
 
dontsnitch said:
The foundation is still the same, but context matters. In the case where God could sin by killing someone unjustly, we would have to prove that he has acted unjustly. Given that there are so many things we can't know, it doesn't follow that God taking someone's life means anything more than he took their life, which as we noted, he does with everyone. This is different than us taking a life, because unless it is for self-defence, it is unjust.

What I think people fail to consider is that death is a part of the system, so if you take issue with it, you should take issue with the system as a whole. The actual objection is that God is wrong for creating the system in the first place.
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Death is a result. Not an action.
 
The Diplomat said:
Death is a consequence of the original sin and the Fall of mankind. So the act of dying is a reminder that humans are all sinners, especially the original ones plopped in Eden, made from dust and ribs.

I would say that death is inherently immoral. Without original sin, we are immortal.
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Too bad we can't all be poius like the eternal jellyfish
 
2DUM2TAP said:
Nope.. my mom and dad made me
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Or, at least that's what you've been told.

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dontsnitch said:
Forgetting that morality cannot apply to God like it does to humans, your objection seems like it's the way they die? What's the difference if someone dies of cancer or is mauled by a bear?

Is death inherently immoral?
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First, you've an undeveloped assumed premise that morality doesn't apply to god. Not all of us accept that as axiomatic. However, as we're forgetting that -

The difference is active intervention in a system. I've already stated this. If you set up a scenario in which someone will inevitably die, I don't understand how that absolves you from causing their death even earlier.

Finally, as I previously mentioned, you're attempting to draw me into a fight, even though I haven't actually staked out the position you're attacking. I'm more than willing to humor you and provide you with opposing arguments, but let's not pretend that this in any way is a defense of the critique I originally posted.
 
2DUM2TAP said:
Why can't it apply? We are created in his image after all. I assume that means more than just physical appearance.
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2DUM2TAP said:
Death is a result. Not an action.
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Killing is not a sin. Murder is a sin. If I grant you that God can murder, we need to prove that he killed unlawfully. It becomes impossible to prove, given that the Biblical God needs to punish to keep with his character.

What is the objection? Death is the result in both scenarios. What's the difference if death takes place at birth or at old age?
 
Quipling said:
First, you've an undeveloped assumed premise that morality doesn't apply to god. Not all of us accept that as axiomatic. However, as we're forgetting that -

The difference is active intervention in a system. I've already stated this. If you set up a scenario in which someone will inevitably die, I don't understand how that absolves you from causing their death even earlier.

Finally, as I previously mentioned, you're attempting to draw me into a fight, even though I haven't actually staked out the position you're attacking. I'm more than willing to humor you and provide you with opposing arguments, but let's not pretend that this in any way is a defense of the critique I originally posted.
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I'm not trying to draw you into a fight. We don't have to discuss it.
 
dontsnitch said:
Killing is not a sin. Murder is a sin. If I grant you that God can murder, we need to prove that he killed unlawfully. It becomes impossible to prove, given that the Biblical God needs to punish to keep with his character.

What is the objection? Death is the result in both scenarios. What's the difference if death takes place at birth or at old age?
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How is killing not a sin? Thou shalt not kill. Your God is a hypocrite.
 
2DUM2TAP said:
How is killing not a sin? Thou shalt not kill. Your God is a hypocrite.
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The actual command is thou shall not murder. They make the distinction between killing and murder, such that self-defence is not a sin, neither is capital punishment, times of war, accidental, etc.

It's as easy as recognizing that God made the system where we are born and die, and he made us (gave us life) and determined that we would die. When God takes our life, it seems silly to suggest it's wrong. It's was always part of the plan.
 
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