International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war.

[moosaev]

LOL, there's no tactical advantage gained by parading corpses around the street. There's nothing gained by ambushing and murdering helpless children. All it conveys is the savagery and core values of the people doing it.

Also, you can try your best to cloak your support in vague language, "asymmetric warfare", but it's clear to all of us what you really support. You support terrorism. The most brutal, barbaric forms of it.

There absolutely is an advantage to parading corpses and killing civilians, right now the only card the Palestinians have to play is to show the Israelis that the occupation isn’t cost free. Israelis have had absolutely no incentive to negotiate with their security all but assured and the world unwilling to hold them to account. With all due respect this is basic stuff, if you can’t see this you have no business commenting on Israel-Palestine issues.

 

[heavyarms21]

100%

and so does Khamzat Chimaev after what he posted on twitter.

The Beard gave it away

 

[Patrick Jane]

I dont see anything!

Reminds me of that time they confronted the CCP diplomat with the concentration camps on TV.

"I cannot see."

If Armenia truly owns that land I’ll support them.

Just out of curiosity: How do you determine who truly owns which land?

 

[PhitePhan]

Im not a Trump supporter. Try again.

What is happening is literally being live streamed. But sure keep telling us its not going on and that innocent woman, kids, and elderly werent just slaughtered and they arent as bad.

Serious question as I’m a bit ignorant in this area, but is there any way to verify these videos as authentic so quickly, both from a technology aspect and also from a reporting aspect (ie, how do we know these videos are Hamas?)

 

[Cherry Brigand]

Im asking you to show me what you're talking about

I can show you my posts asking about how killing women and children is a defensive move. What I can't show you is you answering because you're just a disingenuous spouter or nonsense.

 

[tramendous]

very simple question: killing innocent women and children in the street is defense how? Please explain.

No but every country that goes to war knows civilians might die. Its a fact that these things only matter when Palestinians decide to fight back. Then the entire resistance is framed as only killing Israeli women and children when if you want to count women and children, thats something Israel does on a much much MUCH bigger scale. Their dungeons are filled with Palestinian children. But you will NEVER mention them. You will never stand up for Them. You will only play the women and children card when Israeli civilians die. Let me play that game too for 5 seconds, those dead Israelis are human shields right? Thats what Israel says everytime it bombs civilian areas.

Now my turn for a question, can you condemn the settler colonization of Palestine and the occupation of Palestine by Israel and do you think Palestinians have a right to oppose it by armed resistance?

 

[DEVILsSON]

burger mutts, brainwashed by their ((media)) siding with the oppressors and even think this was an unprovoked attack. Bet their ((media)) didn't mention any of the attacks and the desecration of the Al Aqsa mosque either. Gotta keep the goyim fooled that Israel is the good guy.

Well look at you...trotting out the Storm Front (( )) parenthesis....are you to much of a pussy to just say Jewish media?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Oh, it will definitively make the news, but ultimately nothing will be done, ISIS displaced millions and while it was news, the world ultimately forgot about it.

ISIS displaced millions but many were internally displaced. There's nowhere for Palestinians to be internally displaced to, would have to be neighboring countries which are already weak and unstable. Not to mention that in the past this hasn't exactly solved the Palestinian question as groups embedded among the refugees continue to carry out attacks from neighboring countries.

Why is it Israel’s fault that out of the dozens Muslim states, of which many are Arabs, they don’t want „palestinians“?

It would be Israel's fault for expelling them, thought that'd be obvious but I guess not.

 

[Zazen]

Israel is pretty evil, they get away with it because of WW2 history. People feel sorry for what happened and rightly so but time to realize they’ve doing awful things and have been for quite some time. Not surprised that people are getting tired of them. Not saying it’s right but it makes sense given what the people of Palestine have been through. I’m no expert but I remember seeing a map not too long ago and now the area where they can live is extremely small. That seems like genocide to me and yet so many people support Israel because of America backing and years of media telling us how we need them. I’m just tired of supporting them, they should get less funding.

 

[Poatan Power]

There absolutely is an advantage to parading corpses and killing civilians, right now the only card the Palestinians have to play is to show the Israelis that the occupation isn’t cost free. Israelis have had absolutely no incentive to negotiate with their security all but assured and the world unwilling to hold them to account. With all due respect this is basic stuff, if you can’t see this you have no business commenting on Israel-Palestine issues.

"If you disagree with me you shouldn't comment on this."

Look, if your position is Palestine is justified in killing civi's and maiming/murdering civi's, taking them hostage and torturing them, parading their body parts in the streets, okay, that's your position. If that's the card they have to play, then I support Israel playing the Draw 4 Wild Card and taking off the gloves. If you want a civilian and non-combatant killing contest, you better be willing to pay the piper. My guess is you'd condemn that instantly with your whataboutism.

Israel should not intentionally target the killing/maiming/murdering/raping/torturing of Palestinian civilians. Anti-Israel combatants should not do the same toward Israeli's. That isn't difficult to say.

The issue is Israel gains nothing from doing such murderous acts. They already have the power and legitimacy of a state. Palestinian extremists can do exactly what they're doing (savagery), hope for Israel to respond and these savages gain political currency if their own people are killed. They want Palestinian civilian deaths, it serves their cause. If that's the position they take, and they hide among the civi's, Palestinians have to excise their own tumors while Israel defends itself. Unfortunately they won't because the average Palestinian is anti-Israel. Israel cannot win in the court of public opinion, but they can stamp out Palestinian murderers with swift response and let them bury their own bodies.

I wonder what you'd say if I told you I thought Timothy McVeigh did what he had to do because of the AWB of 94 and Waco/Ruby Ridge. Had to do something to stop the federal government from continued constitutional erosion, right?

This whole issue is very strange. This is not how reasonably minded people viewed the IRA and the situation is remarkably similar.

 

[syct23]

If they didn’t already do this they could cut all internet access and set up broad scale jamming in the area too.

Elon Musk gains control of yet another war..

 

[KnightTemplar]

ISIS displaced millions but many were internally displaced. There's nowhere for Palestinians to be internally displaced to, would have to be neighboring countries which are already weak and unstable. Not to mention that in the past this hasn't exactly solved the Palestinian question as groups embedded among the refugees continue to carry out attacks from neighboring countries.

It would be Israel's fault for expelling them, thought that'd be obvious but I guess not.

Black September, yeah?

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

If that happened, the jeep part, and it was a government sanctioned or even random act on the behalf of random soliders but not condemned by the government it would change a lot for me.

It has happened. There are several examples of it to be found.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

No but every country that goes to war knows civilians might die. Its a fact that these things only matter when Palestinians decide to fight back. Then the entire resistance is framed as only killing Israeli women and children when if you want to count women and children, thats something Israel does on a much much MUCH bigger scale. Their dungeons are filled with Palestinian children. But you will NEVER mention them. You will never stand up for Them. You will only play the women and children card when Israeli civilians die. Let me play that game too for 5 seconds, those dead Israelis are human shields right? Thats what Israel says everytime it bombs civilian areas.

Now my turn for a question, can you condemn the settler colonization of Palestine and the occupation of Palestine by Israel and do you think Palestinians have a right to oppose it by armed resistance?

Wait wait wait. These aren't 'civilians might die' situations. This is the wholesale targeting of women and children. No military objective other than...say it with me...terrorism. What say you now? Am I to understand you endorse this?

And thank you for answering.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Black September, yeah?

And afterwards the Lebanese civil war.

 

[Natural Order]

Who’s winning?

 

[PUO3]

Serious question as I’m a bit ignorant in this area, but is there any way to verify these videos as authentic so quickly, both from a technology aspect and also from a reporting aspect (ie, how do we know these videos are Hamas?)

It came from Palestinian accounts and supporters….. if it werent then sure, take it with a grain of salt

 

[PUO3]

Who’s winning?

Politicians like usual

 

[Poatan Power]

No but every country that goes to war knows civilians might die. Its a fact that these things only matter when Palestinians decide to fight back. Then the entire resistance is framed as only killing Israeli women and children when if you want to count women and children, thats something Israel does on a much much MUCH bigger scale. Their dungeons are filled with Palestinian children. But you will NEVER mention them. You will never stand up for Them. You will only play the women and children card when Israeli civilians die. Let me play that game too for 5 seconds, those dead Israelis are human shields right? Thats what Israel says everytime it bombs civilian areas.

Now my turn for a question, can you condemn the settler colonization of Palestine and the occupation of Palestine by Israel and do you think Palestinians have a right to oppose it by armed resistance?

What you're stating, quite obviously, is that you support Hamas hunting down unarmed civilians and murdering them in the streets so long as geopolitical injustice (as perceived by Palestine) occurs between Israel and Palestine. "What about..."

Dude. Why don't you tell us how the U.S. deserved 9/11? Because your copy and paste position would indicate exactly that.

If military actions result in civilian death (and FYI, it always has and always will to some extent) does that mean the opposing side switches to routine slaughtering of civilians with no military target? Not just known collateral damage, but the actual target of guerilla warfare being civilian mayhem and death? That's the moral compass we use now?

Sorry man, in for a penny in for a pound. If that's the case then you're asserting Palestine should just go door to door and murder every Israeli in country until Israel surrenders. You're supporting genocide.

 

[moosaev]

"If you disagree with me you shouldn't comment on this."

Look, if your position is Palestine is justified in killing civi's and maiming/murdering civi's, taking them hostage and torturing them, parading their body parts in the streets, okay, that's your position. If that's the card they have to play, then I support Israel playing the Draw 4 Wild Card and taking off the gloves. If you want a civilian and non-combatant killing contest, you better be willing to pay the piper. My guess is you'd condemn that instantly with your whataboutism.

Israel should not intentionally target the killing/maiming/murdering/raping/torturing of Palestinian civilians. Anti-Israel combatants should not do the same toward Israeli's. That isn't difficult to say.

The issue is Israel gains nothing from doing such murderous acts. They already have the power and legitimacy of a state. Palestinian extremists can do exactly what they're doing (savagery), hope for Israel to respond and these savages gain political currency if their own people are killed. They want Palestinian civilian deaths, it serves their cause. If that's the position they take, and they hide among the civi's, Palestinians have to excise their own tumors while Israel defends itself. Unfortunately they won't because the average Palestinian is anti-Israel. Israel cannot win in the court of public opinion, but they can stamp out Palestinian murderers with swift response and let them bury their own bodies.

I wonder what you'd say if I told you I thought Timothy McVeigh did what he had to do because of the AWB of 94 and Waco/Ruby Ridge. Had to do something to stop the federal government from continued constitutional erosion, right?

This whole issue is very strange. This is not how reasonably minded people viewed the IRA and the situation is remarkably similar.

I’m against killing civilians, what I’m saying is Palestinians do not have a choice anymore. Every avenue to secure their future has been taken away from them, the international community is allowing Israel to steal their land with impunity and Israel does not feel threatened military, so there is no cost being imposed for Palestine’s dispossession and oppression. The only answer is to exact a cost and make it imperative for Israel to go back to the negotiating table. If it’s between killing innocent civilians and securing the future of their homeland then the Israeli civilians will be sacrificed. The US dropped atomic bombs on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki knowing that they weren’t military targets, Hiroshima was completely intact because it had no military value so the US deliberately targeted civilians because they thought it would save more American lives in the long run. If you’re upset that Hamas is attacking civilians then direct your anger at Israel, they’re the ones who’ve put the Palestinians in a corner.