International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Volador]

and this is where i get to point out the best part. look under the findings tab on page 9, second paragraph.

"Mizrahi jews are also slightly over-represented in the sample compared to population estimates"

So you refer to this:

"It is difficult to evaluate the representativeness of the sample since no official statisticsare available on the third generation, in general, and its ethnic composition, in particular.Also, mixed ethnicity is not separately captured in official data so there are no good population statistics for comparison. Our figures, however, are consistent with estimates of previous research (Cohen et al. 2007). The first generation – those who immigrated to Israel –appears to be somewhat over-represented (36% of our sample compared to one-third ofthe Jewish population of Israel age 15 and above, according to official statistics).Mizrahi Jews are also slightly over-represented in the sample compared to population estimates.4 These deviations are relatively minor and should be of little consequence as our analyses are conducted mostly within population groups defined by origin and migration generation."

First of all, we made some progress. You abandoned your bullshit math where "mixed" magically counts as one category, but not the other.

They say they may be slightly overrepresented, but doesn't say by how much. It's clear form the language that it's minor, and there's no official census or source to compare.

It also says "The first generation – those who immigrated to Israel –appears to be somewhat over-represented." The 1st generation is the one with the most USSR jews (10% out of the total 12% come from the 1st generation) and with the most Ashkenazi (11% come from 1st generation, all the others contain less). So if the 1st generation is overrepresented, then USSR jews are overrepresented in the sample as well, for example, and then this would probably be slightly adjusted as well, if we had the perfect ability to poll everyone. In other words, the numbers have some give and take, which is normal, and there's no official comparison to say exactly by how much, but it seems small.

For you to say "Ashkenazi or European jews are a majority" you'd need over 50%. But they are 45%, according to this data. Unless you can show somewhere where this extra +5% comes from, it's bullshit. If we use your other logic, then we still have 45% Mizrahi (give or take a couple of points if you want, make it 42% or whatever) + 8% (mixed) 3% (Ethiopean) = 56% composed of other groups. Take 2 or 3 points out of that if you want. Still not close to less than 50%. Your statement is still bullshit.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

So you refer to this:

"It is difficult to evaluate the representativeness of the sample since no official statisticsare available on the third generation, in general, and its ethnic composition, in particular.Also, mixed ethnicity is not separately captured in official data so there are no good population statistics for comparison. Our figures, however, are consistent with estimates of previous research (Cohen et al. 2007). The first generation – those who immigrated to Israel –appears to be somewhat over-represented (36% of our sample compared to one-third ofthe Jewish population of Israel age 15 and above, according to official statistics).Mizrahi Jews are also slightly over-represented in the sample compared to population estimates.4 These deviations are relatively minor and should be of little consequence as ouranalyses are conducted mostly within population groups defined by origin and migrationgeneration."

First of all, we made some progress. You abandoned your bullshit math were "mixed" magically counts as one category, but not the other.

They say they may be slightly overrepresented, but doesn't say by how much. It's clear form the language that it's minor, and there's no official census or source to compare.

except there is. you see that little 4 footnote next to the statement? it's a 3% difference. so instead of your 53% mizrahi/52% non-mizrahi estimate, it's 50% mizrahi and 52% non. so a majority-european jewish ethnostate, as i've always said.

the study also explicitly details the efforts societally of pushing a "we're all jews" ethnic superiority campaign despite the socioeconomic differences between ashkenazi and mizrahi jews, because of course, the browner ones don't get the same level of resources. read the study and get back to me, cutie pie. no chance u could read that study and think israel is not a white supremacist jewish ethnostate.

It also says "The first generation – those who immigrated to Israel –appears to be somewhat over-represented." The 1st generation is the one with the most USSR jews (10% out of the total 12% come from the 1st generation) and with the most Ashkenazi (11% come from 1st generation, all the others contain less). So if the 1st generation is overrepresented, then USSR jews are overrepresented as well, and then this would probably be slightly adjusted as well if we had the perfect ability to poll everyone. In other words, the numbers have some give and take, which is normal, and there's no official comparison to say exactly by how much, but it seems small. For you to say "Ashkenazi are a majority" you'd need over 50%. But they are 45%. Unless you can show somewhere where this extra comes from, it's bullshit. If we use your other logic, then we still have 45% Mizrahi (give or take a couple of points if you want) + 8% (mixed) 3% (Ethiopean) = 56% composed of other groups. Take a couple of points if you want. Your statement is still bullshit.

ain't no way i'm reading the rest of this. hold that L, goober.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

it's alright brother. we all respond to 5 posts in 20 minutes then pretend we never saw the response annihilating us, waiting a whole day to formulate a response. take your time. we all have lives after all, except when relentlessly quoting a dude who's factually correct.

let's take a look at another @SuperAlly - coined "antisemitic retard nazi jew hater"

 

[DEVILsSON]

Again no one claimed IDF explicitly targets Palestinian children in cold blood. That's impossible to prove unless we got an informant or leak from the IDF.

It could easily be the soldiers just executing whoever is in an area and that includes children.

That's a lot of conjecture with literally not one iota of evidence.

You don't think there would be whistleblower if that was happening? Israel has 2 million Arabs and a decent number of them serve in the military. Most Jews/Israelis like any other group of people are largely decent and wouldn't stand for that type of policy or actions. So I actually do think if something like that was happening on a systemic basis or with any regularity as some hypothesize here it would be leaked and there would be world wide outrage.

I am not even saying it's impossible for some IDF soldier to take actions into his own hands. But you're not even talking about that...

 

[SuperAlly]

Yes kids shot in the head is a deep fake.

You know you're on the right side when you have to constantly downplay kids being killed.

New York Times Guest Essay Shredded Online After Claiming IDF Targets Gazan Children | HonestReporting

The New York Times opinion essay “65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza” from October 9 blew up over the weekend, as weapons and forensic

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I mean there are certainly some questions to be answered aren't there?

And Palestinians have a long history of faking shit. Pallywood didn't arise out if nothing

 

[SuperAlly]

it's alright brother. we all respond to 5 posts in 20 minutes then pretend we never saw the response annihilating us, waiting a whole day to formulate a response. take your time. we all have lives after all, except when relentlessly quoting a dude who's factually correct.

Precisely

We all have lives

And some of us live in different time zones

 

[SuperAlly]

Did you even read the NY Times article?

You must know "indiscriminately ordered to" is impossible to prove since ZERO foreign press are allowed in the area right? Press is banned. The only reason you would ban press is because you're hiding something. On top of that, they've been killing journalists that were already in the area.

You can only make inferences based on the available information coming out.

Why is there single bullet head shots to children? It almost has to be sniper fire. Whether they're just killing whomever is in the way or just haphazardly shooting anyone alive or explicitly ordered to - it's all irrelevant. The end result is the same.

Here's some of the testimony of the doctors:

“One night in the emergency department, over the course of four hours, I saw six children between the ages of 5 and 12, all with single gunshot wounds to the skull.”

“I saw several children shot with high velocity bullet wounds, in both the head and chest.”

“Our team cared for about four or five children, ages 5 to 8 years old, that were all shot with single shots to the head. They all presented to the emergency room at the same time. They all died.”

“One day, while in the E.R., I saw a 3-year-old and 5-year-old, each with a single bullet hole to their head. When asked what happened, their father and brother said they had been told that Israel was backing out of Khan Younis. So they returned to see if anything was left of their house. There was, they said, a sniper waiting who shot both children.”

Did you even read some of the critiques of their article?

 

[SuperAlly]

This is an appeal to ignorance fallacy....


Or you can refrain from making claims without sufficient evidence like a sane person?


You are assuming its "sniper fire" without proof either. But I do think intentions are important. There is a reason why we have the distinction between involuntary manslaughter and murder.

Human suffering is always sad, I don't think anyone is arguing with you here.

Strange someone would find this reasoned post funny

 

[SuperAlly]

hundreds and hundreds of kids don't get shot directly in the head by mistake unless you are quite literally the most negligent army in human history.

Yes, the hamas terrorists hiding behind children is incredibly "negligent" to use your terminology

 

[SuperAlly]

then surely it happens on both sides yeah? there should be hundreds of israeli children that have been shot in the head, surely. also the figure is from the NYT article you definitely didn't read.

Not when you picked a fight with a superior army and they are now absolutely kicking your arse

The Palestinian genocide effort has thankfully been halted and your tragic PR war on a karate forum trying to convince about half a dozen others that Israel and only Israel is at fault here is equally as pointless and doomed to failure

Moral of the story, don't got attempting genocide, rape, kidnap and murder against a country that can kick your ass

 

[SuperAlly]

also lol @ "you're assuming it's sniper fire" like we can't literally see the round in the child's brain.

Yet, miraculously no fracture in the skull that would lead to the bullet entering that way

Strange that...

Pallywood

 

[SuperAlly]

Again no one claimed IDF explicitly targets Palestinian children in cold blood. That's impossible to prove unless we got an informant or leak from the IDF.

It could easily be the soldiers just executing whoever is in an area and that includes children.

Your first paragraph describes the same thing as the second

You refute something and confirm it in the same short post

 

[SuperAlly]

Kids getting shot in the head with notable frequency being compared to winning the lottery wasn't on my bingo card today

Hamas supporters debating in poor faith was on all of ours

 

[SuperAlly]

Lol

This again is the standard of "source" these guys use to support their points

Instagram.com posts that are deleted almost as soon as they are posted

Embarrassing they keep doing this

Thought we'd seen the end of such nonsense, but just a lull in hostilities - like Hamas who just won't accept they have been roundly beaten

 

[SuperAlly]

Who the hell cares what the ethnic makeup of Israel is? Why the hell are you guys arguing about something that is not relevant?

Both Ashkenazi and Mizrahi are immigrants to the Palestine area so it's a moot point.

You, Kaz and Hamas are never going to ethnically cleanse Israelis from the middle east and it's probably better for all your futures if you learn to deal with that fact like mature adults and non genocidal lunatics tbh

 

[DEVILsSON]

Kids getting shot in the head with notable frequency being compared to winning the lottery wasn't on my bingo card today

What a bad faith thing to say....it does give me a glimpse into the type of person you are though ...

Have you never heard of an analogy?

Have you really never taken a statistics class? Has a professor or instructor never used lottery or another low probability event as an example?

Had to see SuperAlly quote of your post ...almost missed it .....why would you possibly tag me when making this bad faith comment/observation.....like a person who mumbles something under their breath.. :/

 

[KnightTemplar]

Not when you picked a fight with a superior army and thru are no absolutely kicking your arse

The Palestinian genocide effort has thankfully been halted and your tragic PR war on a karate forum trying to convince about half a dozen others that Israel and only Israel is at fault here is equally as pointless and doomed to failure

Moral of the story, don't got attempting genocide, rape, kidnap and murder against a country that can kick your ass

I've literally been saying this since day one. If you sucker-punch a guy you can't possibly beat in a straight fight, don't come crying to me when he gets up and turns your head into a canoe.

 

[Hog-train]

That's a lot of conjecture with literally not one iota of evidence.

Reading comprehension much?

I literally just said there's no way to know for sure unless there was an informant or something within the IDF.

The only thing we can do (in lieu of that) is to make educated guesses. The most likely cause of a whole bunch of children with single bullet headshots is that soldiers were probably just killing everyone in an area.

Unless you have some other alternative theory.

you don't think there would be whistleblower if that was happening?

Who would they whistleblow to if all press are banned from the entirety of Gaza?

Israel has 2 million Arabs and a decent number of them serve in the military. Most Jews/Israelis like any other group of people are largely decent and wouldn't stand for that type of policy or actions. So I actually do think if something like that was happening on a systemic basis or with any regularity as some hypothesize here it would b

Ok so what is your explanation of a bunch of kids with single bullet headshots? They magically got headshotted?

leaked and there would be world wide outrage.

There is worldwide outrage.

I am not even saying it's impossible for some IDF soldier to take actions into his own hands. But you're not even talking about that...

Wtf are you talking about. That's precisely what I'm saying. IDF soldiers were most likely just killing all people in a certain area. Read more carefully.

 

[Hog-train]

New York Times Guest Essay Shredded Online After Claiming IDF Targets Gazan Children | HonestReporting

The New York Times opinion essay “65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza” from October 9 blew up over the weekend, as weapons and forensic

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I mean there are certainly some questions to be answered aren't there?

And Palestinians have a long history of faking shit. Pallywood didn't arise out if nothing

I believe the NY Times over this "honestreporting" site. This site is rated as right of center and explicitly pro-Israel under Media Fact Check Bias.com.

Why would I believe a self admitted PRO-ISRAEL organization with a medium credibility rating over the NY Times?

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Your first paragraph describes the same thing as the second

You refute something and confirm it in the same short post

I'm comparing soldiers that had a mission directive to kill kids vs IDF soldiers just killing everyone in an area and kids just happened to also be there. There's a distinct difference.

You, Kaz and Hamas are never going to ethnically cleanse Israelis from the middle east and it's probably better for all your futures if you learn to deal with that fact like mature adults and non genocidal lunatics tbh

I never said I wanted that nor advocated for that. Stop making shit up.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Reading comprehension much?

I literally just said there's no way to know for sure unless there was an informant or something within the IDF.

Ok? So at best you make an assertion, plainly say there's no way to prove it then still run with it as if whatever in lieu way you proposed substitutes for it when you know damn well it doesn't. We are at a point where you can't blindly take random info online. Hamas have repeatedly used images from Syrian war. There are also deep fakes. AI images. Etc. I am not dismissing the possibility of something but to say you have no proof and it's not possible then in same breath run with some conjecture is weird to me.

The only thing we can do (in lieu of that) is to make educated guesses. The most likely cause of a whole bunch of children with single bullet headshots is that soldiers were probably just killing everyone in an area.

Unless you have some other alternative theory.

Educated guesses mean nothing.

Hamas fight among civilians. If Hamas fighters shoot from close quarters with women and children then there's a high chance that innocent gets hit. To Hamas it's a win win for their sick propaganda. Is this alternate theory good? It's about as good as yours but at least we know definitively that Hamas uses human shields.

Who would they whistleblow to if all press are banned from the entirety of Gaza?

Really? Journalists, various government agencies, UN, etc ....they have access to the Web....imagine you're a fellow soldier and you witness some crazy shit ...you can report it to your superiors...if you think that's pointless then you can literally use Internet access to email, use telegram or any number of apps to contact journalists, government entities, etc .

Ok so what is your explanation of a bunch of kids with single bullet headshots? They magically got headshotted?

Are there? I believe nothing anymore. Images and videos can now be easily faked, misattributed, etc so I am not taking things at face value.

Like I said above, it's possible there was a firefight with Hamas fighting among civilians and some civilians got shot and killed. But what is the point of such conjectures? Those who hate IDF will just laugh at such a scenario yet think nothing of whatever conjecture that aligns with their world views which has just as much evidence.

There is worldwide outrage.

Yes people hate Israel...for merely existing...

Very little outrage at all the other conflicts in the Middle East ...

Wtf are you talking about. That's precisely what I'm saying. IDF soldiers were most likely just killing all people in a certain area. Read more carefully.

I know that's what you said. It means nothing. It's just a conjecture of one possible scenario. It has very little significance unless we turn this conversation into our pet theories or wild conspiracies...