International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

Bibi is a plague.

Hard to know at this point what there will be. Rumors of Saudi normalization being dependent on a path to Palestinian statehood are interesting, though Bibi couldn’t close that deal because he would lose his right wing support and it would expedite his ouster. On the other hand the Israeli public is more distant than ever from the idealism of the belief in peace before Rabin’s assassination.

I think the current policies will create more radicalization. And in the long run, horrible for Israel. Both their security and their international standing (i.e. this is horrible PR worldwide.)

And Netanyahu will do anything to stay in power including fostering MORE war. Do not think he gives a shit about Israeli lives or hostages either. The Israelis killed in the 10/7 attack was a political gift to his administration.

He's a warmongering piece of shit in my eyes - same as past US politicians that were war mongerers like Cheney and Rumsfeld.
 
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I think the current policies will create more radicalization. And in the long run, horrible for Israel. Both their security and their international standing (i.e. this is horrible PR worldwide.)

And Netanyahu will do anything to stay in power including fostering MORE war. Do not think he gives a shit about Israeli lives or hostages either. The Israelis killed in the 10/7 attack was a political gift to his administration.

He's a warmongering piece of shit in my eyes - same as past US politicians that were war mongerers like Cheney and Rumsfeld.
I think he’s even worse to be honest.

He is a pathological narcissist who threatened to destroy the social fabric of Israel in order to stay in power. A mirror of Trumpist incitement of the American public.

The great success of the civil rights movement from MLK was the “inclusiveness” of the identity politics. We are all Americans and we have to look out for one another’s pain in order to heal our national wounds. The Bibis and the Trumps used identity politics in order to divide to cause strife and hatred. Bibi is a lot smarter than Trump though, far more calculating.
 
I think he’s even worse to be honest.

He is a pathological narcissist who threatened to destroy the social fabric of Israel in order to stay in power. A mirror of Trumpist incitement of the American public.

The great success of the civil rights movement from MLK was the “inclusiveness” of the identity politics. We are all Americans and we have to look out for one another’s pain in order to heal our national wounds. The Bibis and the Trumps used identity politics in order to divide to cause strife and hatred. Bibi is a lot smarter than Trump though, far more calculating.

You were questioning me before on why I said Hamas attacks are a "natural reaction." I think you may have misconstrued my intention.

I'm not saying it's a good thing or support any kind of terrorist response - not endorsing it in any way.

It's just a statement of fact on what very probably WILL happen with the current heavy handed policies. More radicalization.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
 
Hmm, the leverage isn't quite working yet, although this just seems a bit of bluffing
 
You were questioning me before on why I said Hamas attacks are a "natural reaction." I think you may have misconstrued my intention.

I'm not saying it's a good thing or support any kind of terrorist response - not endorsing it in any way.

It's just a statement of fact on what very probably WILL happen with the current heavy handed policies. More radicalization.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I actually don’t think the explicit policies lead to further radicalization. Propping up radicals like Ben Gvir or Smotrich instigates antagonism and lends itself to the forever narrative of incitement of “they’re coming for Al-Aqsa!”

If anything, it was probably more of a “natural” reaction to perceiving a deeply divided and perceived “weak” Israeli society- which was a result of a deep social divide sowed by and engineered by Bibi.

Another poster asked what the Israeli public thinks or wants of Bibi. Probably 60% would like him hung and or drawn and quartered in the town square. 40% need him for their political survival.
 
they are also more ethnically and culturally related to the indigenous people of the area, the semites. supporting hamas is pro-semitic, supporting israel is antisemitic, full stop. majority of modern day israelis are european settlers.

Here we go again with this cultural appropriation of the term "anti-semitism." The term was invented by a German Austrian in the 1800's to originally refer to the mistreatment of the Jews in Germany Europe.
 
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i don't believe you nor do i care. hope that helps.

It's okay, bud. No one is taking you seriously with these semantics gotcha games you're playing. "Hamas is pro-semitic and Jews are anti-semitic?" I scoff in your general direction.

Our tax dollars shouldn’t be going to this bullshit. It’s anti American

You're not even American, so STFU.
 
It's okay, bud. No one is taking you seriously with these semantics gotcha games you're playing. "Hamas is pro-semitic and Jews are anti-semitic?" I scoff in your general direction.



You're not even American, so STFU.
right it's ME playing the semantics game. sure.

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Hmm, the leverage isn't quite working yet, although this just seems a bit of bluffing


Are they totally reliant on the US for guided missiles?

Wow...

So what makes them think they can dictate terms of the conflict to Biden if they have nothing?
 
Are they totally reliant on the US for guided missiles?

Wow...

So what makes them think they can dictate terms of the conflict to Biden if they have nothing?
*guided bombs
Well they're reliant on the US to avoid collateral, is what they are saying yeah.

They are saying they have enough firepower either way, but thats a bit doubtfull.
 
Are they totally reliant on the US for guided missiles?

Wow...

So what makes them think they can dictate terms of the conflict to Biden if they have nothing?
Time to pull the plug on the Iron Dome. Let's see how aggressive Israel would be without that defense and the international community bailing them out.
 
Demonstrations that turned violent and students occupied university buildings in
Amsterdam and Utrecht today.
The police removed their barricades with shovels and were sprayed with amonia.
I suspect many non students are among the 'protesters' that fight the police.
The riot squad arrested 170 yesterday with busses, but some guys deflated the tires today.

I still don't understand with all the wars in the world, leftwing native Europeans
get so worked up about this particular one, happening across the world and
no such protests for Ukraine for instance.

I can however understand the excitement among muslim non native Europeans.
Because non muslims are killing muslims for a change, and not eachother.
Which is somehow worse to them.

I wonder how our streets will look if tensions rise even more in Gaza.
Sad that we imported such conflicts into our societies.
 
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Israel says it reopened a key Gaza crossing after a rocket attack but the UN says no aid has entered​


BY JOSEPH KRAUSS, SAMY MAGDY AND MELANIE LIDMAN

JERUSALEM (AP) — The Israeli military said Wednesday that it has reopened its Kerem Shalom crossing into Gaza after days of closure, but the U.N. said no humanitarian aid has yet entered and there is no one to receive it on the Palestinian side after workers fled during Israel’s military incursion in the area.

The Kerem Shalom crossing between Gaza and Israel was closed over the weekend after a Hamas rocket attack killed four Israeli soldiers nearby, and on Tuesday, an Israeli tank brigade seized the nearby Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt, forcing its closure. The two facilities are the main terminals for entry of food, medicine and other supplies essential for the survival of Gaza’s population of 2.3 million Palestinians.

The Israeli foray did not appear to be the start of the full-scale invasion of the city of Rafah that Israel has repeatedly promised. But aid officials warn that the prolonged closure of the two crossings could cause the collapse of aid operations, worsening the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, where the U.N. says a “full-blown famine” is already underway in the north.

The United States paused a shipment of bombs to Israel last week over concerns that Israel was approaching a decision on launching a full-scale assault on Rafah, in a further widening of divisions between the two close allies.



The U.S. says it is concerned over the fate of around 1.3 million Palestinians crammed into Rafah, most of whom fled fighting elsewhere. Israel says Rafah is Hamas’ last stronghold and that a wider offensive there is needed to dismantle the group’s military and governing capabilities.





The U.S., Egypt and Qatar are meanwhile ramping up efforts to close the gaps in a possible agreement for at least a temporary cease-fire and the release of some of the scores of Israeli hostages still held by Hamas. Israel has linked the threatened Rafah operation to the fate of those negotiations. CIA chief William Burns, who has been shuttling around the region for talks on the cease-fire deal, met Wednesday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a U.S. official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss closed-door negotiations.



With the seizure of Rafah, Israel now controls all of Gaza’s crossings for the first time since it withdrew troops and settlers from the territory nearly two decades ago, though it has maintained a blockade with Egypt’s cooperation for most of that time. The Rafah crossing has been a vital conduit for humanitarian aid since the start of the war and is the only place where people can enter and exit. Kerem Shalom is Gaza’s main cargo terminal.

The U.N. World Food Program deputy executive director, Carl Skau, told The Associated Press that the agency has lost access to its Gaza food warehouse in Rafah, which he said was “communicated as a no-go zone.”

“We understand that it’s still there, but we are extremely worried of looting,” Skau said during a visit to neighboring Lebanon, adding that a U.N. logistics warehouse in Rafah had already been looted. He said the WFP was able to secure a warehouse in Deir al-Balah, in central Gaza, but has not stocked it with food yet.

Associated Press journalists heard sporadic explosions and gunfire in the area of the Rafah crossing overnight, including two large blasts early Wednesday. On Wednesday afternoon, hospital records showed at least 25 people were wounded after Israeli artillery fire struck a part of central Rafah, an area Israel did not call on Palestinians to evacuate ahead of its operation. The military had no immediate comment.



An Israeli military official said that Hamas had fired unidentified projectiles at Kerem Shalom on Wednesday, confirming an earlier claim from the militant group. There were no immediate reports of serious injuries. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity pending an official announcement, said the attack would make it difficult to continue aid deliveries but that the crossing would reopen Thursday.



COGAT, the Israeli military body in charge of Palestinian civilian affairs, said the Kerem Shalom crossing reopened early Wednesday and released video of what it said were aid trucks entering the 1-kilometer-long (half-mile) area of the crossing. The video then showed their cargo being unloaded. Typically, Palestinian drivers from the other side of the crossing must pick up the aid after it is unloaded and drive it to distribution destinations within Gaza. The video did not show the aid being picked up.

Juliette Touma, the director of communications for UNRWA, said no aid had entered as of late afternoon Wednesday and that the U.N. agency had been forced to ration fuel, which is imported through Rafah.

Gaza’s Health Ministry meanwhile said at least 46 patients and wounded people who had been scheduled to leave Tuesday for medical treatment have been left stranded.

U.N. agencies and aid groups have ramped up humanitarian assistance in recent weeks as Israel has lifted some restrictions and opened an additional crossing in the north under pressure from the United States, its closest ally.



But aid workers say the closure of Rafah, which is the only gateway for the entry of fuel for trucks and generators, could have severe repercussions, and the U.N. says northern Gaza is already in a state of “full-blown famine.”



Skau of the WFP said some food has been delivered to the north in recent weeks.



“When we got up there, people were coming out of the rubble extremely weak, not even able to carry the box of food,” he said, adding that an increase in infectious diseases among children could worsen the crisis in the north.



“It’s that combination of widespread disease and acute malnutrition that is that deadly cocktail,” he said.



COGAT said 60 aid trucks entered through the northern crossing on Tuesday. Some 500 trucks entered Gaza every day before the war.



The war began when Hamas militants breached Israel’s defenses on Oct. 7 and swept through nearby army bases and farming communities, killing some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducting another 250. Hamas is still believed to be holding around 100 hostages and the remains of more than 30 others after most of the rest were released during a November cease-fire.



The war has killed over 34,800 Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials, and has driven some 80% of Gaza’s population of 2.3 million Palestinians from their homes. Israel’s military campaign has been one of the deadliest and most destructive in recent history, reducing large parts of Gaza to rubble.



Biden has repeatedly warned Netanyahu against launching an invasion of Rafah. But Netanyahu’s far-right coalition partners have threatened to bring down his government if he calls off an offensive or makes too many concessions in the cease-fire talks.

The U.S. has historically provided Israel with enormous amounts of military aid, which has only accelerated since the start of the war.

The paused shipment was supposed to consist of 1,800 2,000-pound (900-kilogram) bombs and 1,700 smaller ones, with the U.S. concern focused on how the larger bombs could be used in a dense urban setting, a U.S. official said Tuesday on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter. The official said no final decision had been made yet on proceeding with the shipment.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-05-08-2024-495e6dabfdddc5587bd20e71b6ad421d
 
Demonstrations that turned violent and students occupied university buildings in
Amsterdam and Utrecht today.
The police removed their barricades with shovels and were sprayed with amonia.
I suspect many non students are among the 'protesters' that fight the police.
The riot squad arrested 170 yesterday with busses, but some guys deflated the tires today.

I still don't understand with all the wars in the world, leftwing native Europeans
get so worked up about this particular one, happening across the world and
no such protests for Ukraine for instance.

I can however understand the excitement among muslim non native Europeans.
Because non muslims are killing muslims for a change, and not eachother.
Which is somehow worse to them.

I wonder how our streets will look if tensions rise even more in Gaza.
Sad that we imported such conflicts into our societies.



They actually used bulldozers to remove the barricades and beat the shit out of the protesters with batons and riot shields.

The US should learn a thing or two about dealing with unruly protesters from the Dutch. And especially from the Germans.
 
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