International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[iwannabeadored]

If you go in the Ukraine thread many pro Pally/Hamas posters are not exactly pro Russia but they are anti Ukraine and their reasoning tends to be around NATO. They are basically anti Western and so adopt whichever side is anti Western in both conflicts.


Yes they have a right. Tit for tat. But they will not exist anymore. If you think Gaza is bad, wait til the gloves come off for Iran. BKFC levels of war. And not only the Israeli military. Iran will decimated. Cut off the snakes head and all of its offshoots vanish.

Lol you do realize Iran isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan. It’s impossible to invade

 

[iwannabeadored]

Well I keep pointing out your lies and you keep moving along.

The article I posted directly addressed the building of settlements in the disputed territory of area C of the West Bank. Deal with it.

The majority of pals are against a 2 state solution because they feel like Israel is theirs.

Thanks for playing. You dodged and ducked and couldn’t address land stealing. Sorry the game doesn’t work the majority of Israeli government is against a two state solution and is actively stealing Palestinian land. Thanks for conceding.

 

[Halge]

Lol you do realize Iran isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan. It’s impossible to invade

Why? Iraq was heavily militarized at the outset of the Gulf War, at least on par with Iran*. The coalition took it apart.
Not like Iran has great relations with its neighbors either, most of whom have military connections to the US. You could conceivably go in from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia via Iraq, or even Turkey/Armenia.


*Quite literally, since the two countries had just fought each other to a standstill.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Why? Iraq was heavily militarized at the outset of the Gulf War, at least on par with Iran*. The coalition took it apart.

*Quite literally, since the two countries had just fought each other to a standstill.

The terrain. It’s why we couldn’t really conquer Afghanistan. The mountains make it tough. I don’t want to see America fight Israel’s wars for them. We’ve had two wars in 20 years that cost us trillions and they were senseless

 

[Rholk]

The terrain. It’s why we couldn’t really conquer Afghanistan. The mountains make it tough. I don’t want to see America fight Israel’s wars for them. We’ve had two wars in 20 years that cost us trillions and they were senseless

There should never be a full on invasion and/or occupation of Iran.
That doesn't mean you can't inflict damage to them to the point where it's hard for them be a threat.

 

[Halge]

The terrain. It’s why we couldn’t really conquer Afghanistan. The mountains make it tough. I don’t want to see America fight Israel’s wars for them. We’ve had two wars in 20 years that cost us trillions and they were senseless

I'm no military expert. But terrain aside Iran isn't like Afghanistan culturally. You'd be fighting an actual regime, not a terror organization that just happens to occupy the capitol at the moment. Capture Tehran and some other centres of operations, and the Islamic republic has to shift from an authoritarian state to a guerilla group. Which sounds like a monumental task organizationally, not least when public support probably is pretty iffy. I'm not saying invasion is a good idea or anything, just that comparisons with Afghanistan mighty be far-fetched.

 

[kflo]

Thanks for playing. You dodged and ducked and couldn’t address land stealing. Sorry the game doesn’t work the majority of Israeli government is against a two state solution and is actively stealing Palestinian land. Thanks for conceding.

I directly addressed settlements in the disputed territory of area c. You just can’t deal with it. I’m sure you’ll reply with a lie and a whine.

 

[iwannabeadored]

I directly addressed settlements in the disputed territory of area c. You just can’t deal with it. I’m sure you’ll reply with a lie and a whine.

You Didn’t address the article and responded with an article. That’s whining and bitching and crying. Get over it


Settlements in area c is considered a violation of international law. Israel is a terrorist state and occupier

 

[Blayt7hh]

Then how does Israel know they killed 13k Hamas?

I never said they did. I have no idea how they’re estimating their numbers. Maybe it’s legit and maybe it isn’t

 

[Rholk]

Westbank also threatening to escalate a bit after they murdered a 14 year old israeli kid

 

[iwannabeadored]

Westbank also threatening to escalate a bit after they murdered a 14 year old israeli kid

Yeah it’s not escalating with the 460 Palestinians who’ve died in the West Bank since 10/7

 

[Halge]

Yeah it’s not escalating with the 460 Palestinians who’ve died in the West Bank since 10/7

Newsflash: Hamas is fighting in the West Bank.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Newsflash: Hamas is fighting in the West Bank.

Oh lord that’s the reason for the violence there, not the loss of land.

 

[Rholk]

Oh lord that’s the reason for the violence there, not the loss of land.

That 14 y/o was taking land

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Iran’s Revolutionary Guard seizes a container ship near Strait of Hormuz amid tensions with Israel​

BY JON GAMBRELL
Updated 3:57 PM BRT, April 13, 2024

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Commandos from Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard rappelled from a helicopter onto an Israeli-affiliated container ship near the Strait of Hormuz and seized the vessel Saturday in the latest attack between the two countries.

The seizure followed a suspected Israeli strike this month on an Iranian consular building in Syria that killed 12 people, including a senior Guard general.

Iran has promised to retaliate, and U.S. President Joe Biden cut short a weekend trip to his beach house in Delaware to return to the White House and monitor the situation. Israel’s war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip has inflamed decade-old tensions in the Middle East, and any new attack threatens to escalate that conflict into a wider regional war.

Iran’s state-run IRNA said a special forces unit of the Guard’s navy carried out the attack on the Portuguese-flagged MSC Aries, a container ship associated with London-based Zodiac Maritime.

Zodiac Maritime is part of Israeli billionaire Eyal Ofer’s Zodiac Group. Zodiac declined to comment and referred questions to MSC. Geneva-based MSC acknowledged the seizure and said 25 crew members were on the ship.

“We are working closely with the relevant authorities to ensure their wellbeing, and safe return of the vessel,” MSC said.

White House National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said the crew was made up of Indian, Filipino, Pakistani, Russian and Estonian nationals and urged Iran to release them and the vessel.

IRNA said the Guard would take the vessel into Iranian territorial waters.

A Middle East defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, provided video of the attack to The Associated Press in which Iranian commandos are seen rappelling onto a stack of containers on the vessel’s deck.

A crew member can be heard saying: “Don’t come out.” He then tells his colleagues to go to the ship’s bridge as more commandos come down. One commando can be seen kneeling above the others to provide them potential cover fire.

The video corresponded with known details of the MSC Aries. The commandos rappelled from what appeared to be a Soviet-era Mil Mi-17 helicopter, which both the Guard and the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen have used before to raid ships.

The British military’s United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations described the vessel as being “seized by regional authorities” in the Gulf of Oman off the Emirati port city of Fujairah, without elaborating.

Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz called on nations to list the Guard as a terrorist organization.

Iran “is a criminal regime that supports Hamas’ crimes and is now conducting a pirate operation in violation of international law,” Katz said.

For days, Iranian officials including Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei have threatened to “slap” Israel for its Syria strike.

The U.S., Israel’s main backer, has stood by the country despite growing concerns over Israel’s war on Gaza killing more than 33,600 Palestinians and wounding over 76,200 more. Israel’s war began after Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel that killed 1,200 people and saw some 250 others taken hostage.

The Pentagon said Saturday that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke with his Israeli counterpart “to discuss urgent regional threats ... and made clear that Israel could count on full U.S. support to defend Israel against any attacks by Iran and its regional proxies.” National security adviser Jake Sullivan also spoke with his counterpart to reinforce Washington’s “ironclad commitment to the security of Israel.”

In Iran, meanwhile, officials publicly denied faked text messages sent in the name of civil defense authorities that urged the public to “prepare drinking water and dry food” due to the “emerging emergency situation.

Iran since 2019 has engaged in a series of ship seizures, and attacks on vessels have been attributed to it amid ongoing tensions with the West over its rapidly advancing nuclear program.

In previous seizures, Iran’s initial explanations made it seem like the attacks had nothing to do with wider geopolitical tensions, then later acknowledged as much. In Saturday’s attack, however, Iran said only that the MSC Aries had links to Israel.

Iran has largely avoided directly attacking Israel, despite its targeted killings of nuclear scientists and sabotage campaigns on Iran’s atomic sites. Iran has targeted Israeli or Jewish-linked sites through proxy forces.

Amid concerns about the increased tensions, Lufthansa Group on Saturday extended its suspension of flights between Frankfurt and Tehran through Thursday and said its planes would avoid Iranian airspace. The German carrier also said that, until at least Tuesday, flights to and from Amman will be operated as “day flights” so crews won’t spend a night in the Jordanian capital.

Dutch airline KLM said it will no longer fly over Iran or Israel but will continue flights to and from Tel Aviv.

The Gulf of Oman is near the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow mouth of the Persian Gulf through which a fifth of all globally traded oil passes. Fujairah, on the United Arab Emirates’ eastern coast, is a main port for ships to take on new oil cargo, pick up supplies or trade out crew. Since 2019, the waters off Fujairah have seen a series of explosions and hijackings.

https://apnews.com/article/strait-of-hormuz-vessel-33fcffde2d867380e98c89403776a8ac

 

[Halge]

Oh lord that’s the reason for the violence there, not the loss of land.

Since October 7 (a start date you chose in #9,131), the reason for escalating violence in West Ham - sorry, West Bank- is Hamas activity.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Oh boy. Here we go.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

 

[Rholk]

8 hours should be plenty of time to intercept, but we'll see what other groups join in.

Great channel to be following if you're interested in tonights attack btw.

 

[Videer]

Oh boy. Here we go.

Will take hours to reach their targets, I am assuming that cruise missiles will be launched later and ballistic missiles even later if those are to be used.