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International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

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I Am Legion said:
Why don't other Arab nations take in Palestinians? Why won't any of the 40 Muslim nations take Palestinians in? One main reason is they don't want terrorists coming in and jeopardizing peace treaties and trying to overthrow their government with extremist BS. If Hamas had never been elected and had never broken the ceasefire on the 6th, none of this would be happening. Pro Palestinian groups are just ignorant of the history...This was never a country of "Palestine" that Jews "stole". There never was a dedicated "Palestine" it was an area with turmoil from the start as well as diversity and many different peoples coming and going. The narrative they are selling just is not true.
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A lot of countries harbor Palestinians refugees. Syria, Lebanon etc
They're not obliged to take all Palestinians so Israel can have more land to put their settlements.
 
Rational Poster said:
The US invented bombing dense gatherings of civilians to kill a few insurgents.
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Well the US also waged genocide on the Natives and supported death squads in Latin America, so does that mean we should give Israel a pass ?

I don't see how past US action justifies Israel doing the same thing. China can argue there is nothing wrong in forcing Uighurs to give up their culture because the US did it to Native Americans.
 
MicroBrew said:
Well the US also waged genocide on the Natives and supported death squads in Latin America, so does that mean we should give Israel a pass ?

I don't see how past US action justifies Israel doing the same thing. China can argue there is nothing wrong in forcing Uighurs to give up their culture because the US did it to Native Americans.
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You're the one who keeps bringing up these unrelated events and failing to provide all the details and context, not me.

You're the one who just tried to claim the US didn't target civilians to kill a few insurgents, not me.

I'm not making any moral declarations just trying to be honest.
 
Cuauhtemoc said:
A lot of countries harbor Palestinians refugees. Syria, Lebanon etc
They're not obliged to take all Palestinians so Israel can have more land to put their settlements.
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The better question would be. Why didn't all the European countries take in the Jewish refugees? They were so close them but for some reason shipped them all across to the other side of the world. Why is that ey?
 
Rational Poster said:
You're the one who keeps bringing up these unrelated events and failing to provide all the details and context, not me.

You're the one who just tried to claim the US didn't target civilians to kill a few insurgents, not me.

I'm not making any moral declarations just trying to be honest.
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I did not say the US did not kill civilians to target a few insurgents; all my posts are about how Israel targeted heavy concentrations of civilians , causing massacres, just to kill a few Hamas.

Everyone expects civilian casualties in conflict; it is unavoidable, the difference here is just how much disregard Israel has for civilians.

You are making a moral argument though, when you justify Israel's over the top punishment of Palestinians.
 
DEVILsSON said:
There are plenty of well thought out explanations why modern day Israel and apartheid South Africa are not the same. All Arabs living in Israel have essentially the same rights as Jews (with exception of right of return). Did apartheid black South Africans participate in all levels of government? Ok that's macro so let's focus on micro. Is there a law or policy that prevents Arabs from using the same benches as the Jews?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/opinion/why-israel-is-nothing-like-apartheid-south-africa.html

Here's link around the paywall:

https://archive.is/s2mau



Palestinians are and were TransJordanians aka modern day Jordanians. So it's yet again dishonest to pretend they are some new people. Prior to 1980s they did not exist as even a concept. They were simply Arabs displaced by creation of Israel and multiple wars waged by the Arab nations.

Palestinians are almost exclusively Muslims who had opportunities to go elsewhere and chose not to. They bear the responsibilities of their decisions.

Muslims are majority in 50 countries and have little to fear there. Jews are only majority in 1 tiny nation. Whenever there's instability in the world, Jews are some of the first to get attacked.

There are people who criticize the Israeli government and I too am not a fan of all its policies however it's naive to pretend like Israel has done all of its hardline policies in a vacuum.
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It's not the same, it's similar. Blacks had it much better in South Africa than Palestinians. I'm not talking about the relatively few Arabs that are Israeli citizens, but the vast majority.
The point about other Arab/Muslim countries is as relevant as other Black countries in Africa.
If Palestinians didn't have the modern concept of nationhood is also irrelevant. They lived there and got expelled. The ones in the West Bank lost a war, they do not deserve to live under permanent military occupation while their land is stolen by the winners. We're not in 1800.
 
Madmick said:
So spot on.
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It's not spot on at all because it's framed in a disingenuous way. There is a reason why he says "Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Jordan" instead of the total numbers of combatants since they had a much larger fighting force(close to 3x more with western technology). He frames it in a way where they were the underdogs getting ganged up on while that wasn't true. There is a reason he says "we lost a large part of our population" instead of 6000 soldiers and only a small % of our total military force. He wants to make it look like they nearly got annihilated which is the furthest thing from the truth. and on and on. It's done in bad faith.
 
MicroBrew said:
I did not say the US did not kill civilians to target a few insurgents; all my posts are about how Israel targeted heavy concentrations of civilians , causing massacres, just to kill a few Hamas.

Everyone expects civilian casualties in conflict; it is unavoidable, the difference here is just how much disregard Israel has for civilians.

You are making a moral argument though, when you justify Israel's over the top punishment of Palestinians.
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You didn't say this?

"The point is that the US did not bomb very dense gatherings of civilians just to get an insurgent or 2."
 
MicroBrew said:
Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

As Israeli forces continue to intensify their cataclysmic assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes.

The organization spoke to survivors and eyewitnesses, analysed satellite imagery, and verified photos and videos to investigate air bombardments carried out by Israeli forces between 7 and 12 October, which caused horrific destruction, and in some cases wiped out entire families.

“In their stated intent to use all means to destroy Hamas, Israeli forces have shown a shocking disregard for civilian lives. They have pulverized street after street of residential buildings killing civilians on a mass scale and destroying essential infrastructure, while new restrictions mean Gaza is fast running out of water, medicine, fuel and electricity. Testimonies from eyewitness and survivors highlighted, again and again, how Israeli attacks decimated Palestinian families, causing such destruction that surviving relatives have little but rubble to remember their loved ones by,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...eli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
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Again they’re still getting their information from hamas and eyewitness accounts with no ability to differentiate between civilians and terrorists. Hamas controls the narrative coming from Gaza for the pals. And you discount any information from the IDF.
 
tastaylvr said:
The better question would be. Why didn't all the European countries take in the Jewish refugees? They were so close them but for some reason shipped them all across to the other side of the world. Why is that ey?
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Why didn’t they go back to Germany? This serious? Also they were expelled from all over Africa and the Middle East. You know that by now so you’re just being an idiot
 
tastaylvr said:
It's not spot on at all because it's framed in a disingenuous way. There is a reason why he says "Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Jordan" instead of the total numbers of combatants since they had a much larger fighting force(close to 3x more with western technology). He frames it in a way where they were the underdogs getting ganged up on while that wasn't true. There is a reason he says "we lost a large part of our population" instead of 6000 soldiers and only a small % of our total military force. He wants to make it look like they nearly got annihilated which is the furthest thing from the truth. and on and on. It's done in bad faith.
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Liar
 
DEVILsSON said:
The same ambulances being used by Hamas to transport their fighters?

In a perfect world sure. In a perfect world there would be no Hamas or at least an entity that violates every Geneva Convention....
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Source ?

Geneva conventions, you think Israel follows those ?
 
tastaylvr said:
It's not spot on at all because it's framed in a disingenuous way. There is a reason why he says "Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Jordan" instead of the total numbers of combatants since they had a much larger fighting force(close to 3x more with western technology). He frames it in a way where they were the underdogs getting ganged up on while that wasn't true. There is a reason he says "we lost a large part of our population" instead of 6000 soldiers and only a small % of our total military force. He wants to make it look like they nearly got annihilated which is the furthest thing from the truth. and on and on. It's done in bad faith.
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While this might be true. Who cares? Am I supposed to feel bad that all these countries couldn't gather enough people to wipe out Israel like they wanted? It doesn't change the overall point of the video.
 
 
kflo said:
how many terrorists included in those numbers?
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I know this is the start of your denial that any Palestinians civiliasn have been killed so I am not getting involved again. I do not beleive in such denail.
 
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