Gustafsson vs prime Machida

[ExitLUPin]

Shogun didn't beat Machida twice? That's funny because didnt you say



So what is it? Did Shogun beat Machida twice or do you just argue things you don't even believe?

Hes known for constantly changing his arguments for whatever fits is agenda so forgive his mixup. He has too many to keep count of. Dont be surprised to see him hyping up currently unranked Jan Blachowiz after Gus fights him lmao

Whats funny is before Gus fought Humble he was making similar posts to how Gus only has one top win compared to Humble then after Gus got KTFO in a round and lost again somehow Gus is this infallible LHW that only loses to Daniel, Bones and Humble, since he doesnt know shit about early to mid 2000s MMA.

 

[wilKO]

Hes known for constantly changing his arguments for whatever fits is agenda so forgive his mixup. He has too many to keep count of. Dont be surprised to see him hyping up currently unranked Jan Blachowiz after Gus fights him lmao

Whats funny is before Gus fought Humble he was making similar posts to how Gus only has one top win compared to Humble then after Gus got KTFO in a round and lost again somehow Gus is this infallible LHW that only loses to Daniel, Bones and Humble, since he doesnt know shit about early to mid 2000s MMA.

He has been very quiet since that post. I wonder why.

 

[Redhawks100]

Gus is the Kenny Florian/Chad Mendes of LHW. Good fighter but he isnt good enough to beat elite fighters.

He lost, get over it. Chad came closer than anyone to beating Jose. Then got rekt by Frankie and KTFO by Conor. Just like Gus he loses when it matters to the elites.

The reality is you think Gus is a much better fighter than he actually is. Im realistic about Lyotos skillset and chances against other elite fighters and im far from a Lyoto fan. But Gus isnt an elite fighter and with his shit defense he isnt outstriking Lyoto.

Pride was the best evar in terms of quality at least from 03-07. Sorry u missed out on the greatest era of MMA and are perpetually butthurt u couldnt live through it so u constantly downplay their fighters or any u dont like like a child.

And anyways u dont need to be the best evar to beat a fighter like Gus. I dont agree with Ez Eric that Reem wouldve beat Gus (it would def be a competitive fight with Reem winning exchanges specially the clinch, but of course youre still butthurt about Reem specially after he outstruck, outskilled and KTFO JDS, God knows what youll do if he beats Stipe too) but everyone else he said definitely would with only question being Arona if he cant get Gus down but considering what Phil Davis did to Gus the moment he got an opening after Gus defended his wrestling, and the fact a shot Shogun had him in a deep kneebar and Arona being one of the most complete MMA grapplers ever, i like his chances.

Florian never came close to beating BJ and Chad was knocked the fuck out by Aldo in their first fight. Jesus Christ, these dog shit comparisons are so tiring.

Uh... Gus is a much better boxer, he's bigger, he has great TDs which he used against Shogun, Cormier, and Jones, he's durable as fuck and was only finished by Rumble Johnson, and he's got great lateral movement to compliment his striking game. Machida has good footwork, good straight, and good kicks. How the fuck is he going to beat Gus with that arsenal?

Sorry he's not going to run into punches like Rashad and Bader.

You've got no idea what the hell you are watching. You are making him out as a scrub when he took the current and ex champion to the fucking brink. I don't know why you fail to understand that Gus has fought extremely tough competition at LHW recently. It's called the top 10 for a reason and if you don't think he'd beat Bader then you're much slower than I thought.

Is that why Arona and Nog were knocked the fuck out by mediocre Soko? Overeem wasted multiple times? You're a newer fan that's trying to fit in with the "pride never die" theme that's always been going on in Sherdog.

Shogun never had him in a deep knee at and who the fuck has Arona submitted?
If Soko could knock him out with ease, imagine what Gus would do.

 

[Redhawks100]

Shogun didn't beat Machida twice? That's funny because didnt you say



So what is it? Did Shogun beat Machida twice or do you just argue things you don't even believe?

Considering Shogun's got an official L in the first fight but stylistically Machida couldn't get past him and figure him out. He couldn't beat him decisively.

Are you going to keep bringing up garbage arguments with 99Silva's clone aka ExitLUPin?

You've yet to make a solid argument as to why Machida would beat Gus in a fist fight.

 

[Redhawks100]

Hes known for constantly changing his arguments for whatever fits is agenda so forgive his mixup. He has too many to keep count of. Dont be surprised to see him hyping up currently unranked Jan Blachowiz after Gus fights him lmao

Whats funny is before Gus fought Humble he was making similar posts to how Gus only has one top win compared to Humble then after Gus got KTFO in a round and lost again somehow Gus is this infallible LHW that only loses to Daniel, Bones and Humble, since he doesnt know shit about early to mid 2000s MMA.

What is wrong with you, kid?

Gus only has a single top win but that's not completely indicative of how good a fighter he is. Before he fought Jones, I was saying how good he was and how tough of a fight he is and look what happened.

Again, when did I say he was infallible? You are exaggerating because you're fucking hurt, kid. Go back to making random polls about your old heroes because you have no chance here.

 

[wilKO]

Considering Shogun's got an official L in the first fight but stylistically Machida couldn't get past him and figure him out. He couldn't beat him decisively.

Are you going to keep bringing up garbage arguments with 99Silva's clone aka ExitLUPin?

You've yet to make a solid argument as to why Machida would beat Gus in a fist fight.

Machida would beat Gus because he is better than him. It's a tough fight to call but Machida is far more proven. Gus hasn't won a really big fight ever. Machida has won plenty. We can't really agree on this because they are from different eras and have pretty much no common opponents worth analysing. So I have to go on who has beaten who and Machida looks like a better fighter to me.

 

[Redhawks100]

Machida would beat Gus because he is better than him. It's a tough fight to call but Machida is far more proven. Gus hasn't won a really big fight ever. Machida has won plenty. We can't really agree on this because they are from different eras and have pretty much no common opponents worth analysing. So I have to go on who has beaten who and Machida looks like a better fighter to me.

Aldo was "far more proven" than McGregor and lost lol again another terrible argument is made.

What stylistic advantages does Machida have over Gus? Speed?

 

[Ez Eric]

You've yet to make a solid argument as to why Machida would beat Gus in a fist fight.

Gus gets hit A LOT.

Prime Machida rarely got touched.

You do the math.

 

[Redhawks100]

Gus gets hit A LOT.

Prime Machida rarely got touched.

You do the math.

Prime Machida was dropped, choked out, and tossed like a sack of potatoes against Jones. Imagine what Cormier and Rumble (holy fuck that'd be criminal) would do to him.

Mind you, those are the fights he got hit A LOT. Now, I still don't see a valid argument.

 

[Ez Eric]

What stylistic advantages does Machida have over Gus? Speed?

Yes. Speed and defense. Gus would not land shit on prime Machida. Gus would get outpointed all night long.

 

[wilKO]

Aldo was "far more proven" than McGregor and lost lol again another terrible argument is made.

What stylistic advantages does Machida have over Gus? Speed?

Better and more versatile striking. Much better timing. Speed. Gus actually has nothing on Machida bar length. I get it. You love Gus. Must be hard to defend him when he has literally 1 win of note.

 

[Redhawks100]

Yes. Speed and defense. Gus would not land shit on prime Machida. Gus would get outpointed all night long.

Shogun, Rampage, Davis, Mousasi, Weidman, Jones, etc all landed on Machida but Gus won't? Stop acting like Prime Machida was invincible lol

 

[Redhawks100]

Better and more versatile striking. Much better timing. Speed. Gus actually has nothing on Machida bar length. I get it. You love Gus. Must be hard to defend him when he has literally 1 win of note.

I don't love Gus but I can acknowledge how good he is. Gus' range, boxing, and grappling would trouble Machida and Machida does not have the power or timing to knock Gus out.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Florian never came close to beating BJ and Chad was knocked the fuck out by Aldo in their first fight. Jesus Christ, these dog shit comparisons are so tiring.

Uh... Gus is a much better boxer, he's bigger, he has great TDs which he used against Shogun, Cormier, and Jones, he's durable as fuck and was only finished by Rumble Johnson, and he's got great lateral movement to compliment his striking game. Machida has good footwork, good straight, and good kicks. How the fuck is he going to beat Gus with that arsenal?

Sorry he's not going to run into punches like Rashad and Bader.

You've got no idea what the hell you are watching. You are making him out as a scrub when he took the current and ex champion to the fucking brink. I don't know why you fail to understand that Gus has fought extremely tough competition at LHW recently. It's called the top 10 for a reason and if you don't think he'd beat Bader then you're much slower than I thought.

Is that why Arona and Nog were knocked the fuck out by mediocre Soko? Overeem wasted multiple times? You're a newer fan that's trying to fit in with the "pride never die" theme that's always been going on in Sherdog.

Shogun never had him in a deep knee at and who the fuck has Arona submitted?
If Soko could knock him out with ease, imagine what Gus would do.

Kenny lost to the elites like Gus. Maynard, BJ, Aldo, Sherk. Gus is the same level of fighter, period. Gus was also finished by Phil Davis in a round kid.

Gus is a much better boxer yes. He was still getting tagged repeatedly by a shot and slow Shogun who was never known for his boxing. His defense is shit. His lateral movement isnt much when hes repeatedly countered. Matt fucking Hammill was landing counters on him and bust him open. Yet u keep ignoring his shit defense. Lyoto has great kicks, great TDD and very good footwork. Hes gonna beat him by pivotting and countering as well as striking when Gus comes in or leaping in which Gus has gotten hit by Shogun and Daniel by

Hes not going to run into punches yet thats all he did against a shot Shogun and Cormier? LOL ur inventing a version of Gustafsson that doesnt exit and Hashad didnt get KOd from rushing in he got countered and followed up on till he got finished.

He fought top competition AND LOST. Hes not a scrub and hes not a great or elite fighter. Hes merely good with alot of holes in his game.

Lyoto would outpoint him to a decision.

 

[wilKO]

I don't love Gus but I can acknowledge how good he is. Gus' range, boxing, and grappling would trouble Machida and Machida does not have the power or timing to knock Gus out.

Yes he does. He catches guys off guard rushing in. Hes like Anderson. Surely as a big Anderson fan you can acknowledge that he doesn't hit as hard as Rumble etc but he can KO anyone because there is more to a KO than power. Machida could KO Gus. And would out point him regardless.

 

[Ez Eric]

Shogun, Rampage, Davis, Mousasi, Weidman, Jones, etc all landed on Mousasi but Gus won't? Stop acting like Prime Machida was invincible lol

Every single one of those fights is in the second half of Lyoto's career. Before his first loss he was impossible to land a punch on. The same way Cruz and Wonderboy are known for their elusiveness, Machida was untouchable. There was a big drop off in his speed and reflexes after getting knocked out by Shogun. Why do you believe that fighters stay the same forever? Constant damage and injuries do add up. Do you train any martial arts? How old are you? Almost all athletes lose a step in their mid thirties yet he still fought great against all of those guys you mentioned. He arguably beat Rampage and Davis and even though he lost to Weidman he still fucked Weidman up and that was very competitive

 

[ExitLUPin]

What is wrong with you, kid?

Gus only has a single top win but that's not completely indicative of how good a fighter he is. Before he fought Jones, I was saying how good he was and how tough of a fight he is and look what happened.

Again, when did I say he was infallible? You are exaggerating because you're fucking hurt, kid. Go back to making random polls about your old heroes because you have no chance here.

Yes it is. 1 top win. No one cares or takes what u say seriously. This is well documented.

Youre saying Gus could beat Hampage or Chuck, 2 of the top 5 LHWs ever which is just laughable. I said youre saying hes infallible outside of fighting Bones, Humble and DC. U think he would beat prime Shogun, Chuck and Hampage and prolly Wanderlei too. U obviously think he beats any LHW of the past era since there isnt any better than those guys which is absolutely comical. I know u never watched him in his prime but Jackson was a better fighter than Daniel is now and he would likely knock Gus out. Same with Chuck. Fucking Humble the guy who gets choked out by WWs and quits when the pressures up lmao. Cant wait till Glover beats him and specially with him and Gus losing more in the next few years to see ur tones. Its easy to hype a fighter before their decline, those 2 will be rich to see u watching.

 

[Redhawks100]

Kenny lost to the elites like Gus. Maynard, BJ, Aldo, Sherk. Gus is the same level of fighter, period. Gus was also finished by Phil Davis in a round kid.

Gus is a much better boxer yes. He was still getting tagged repeatedly by a shot and slow Shogun who was never known for his boxing. His defense is shit. His lateral movement isnt much when hes repeatedly countered. Matt fucking Hammill was landing counters on him and bust him open. Yet u keep ignoring his shit defense. Lyoto has great kicks, great TDD and very good footwork. Hes gonna beat him by pivotting and countering as well as striking when Gus comes in or leaping in which Gus has gotten hit by Shogun and Daniel by

Hes not going to run into punches yet thats all he did against a shot Shogun and Cormier? LOL ur inventing a version of Gustafsson that doesnt exit and Hashad didnt get KOd from rushing in he got countered and followed up on till he got finished.

He fought top competition AND LOST. Hes not a scrub and hes not a great or elite fighter. Hes merely good with alot of holes in his game.

Lyoto would outpoint him to a decision.

I'm inventing a version of Gus that doesn't exist?

Lol! The irony. Stop acting as if Machida was some unbeatable striker that was impossible to hit and had unbelievable fight ending power.

He finished 2 top fighters at LHW, Rashad and Bader yet you think he has the striking chops to outpoint Gus when he couldn't outpoint Jones on the feet, or Davis, or Rampage. Weidman beat him up on the feet as well.

Rashad was rocked multiple times before the KO by rushing in.

Machida lost to Jones much more decisively and would get crushed by Cormier and Rumble. They shouldn't even sanction him in a fight against Rumble, actually.

 

[Redhawks100]

Every single one of those fights is in the second half of Lyoto's career. Before his first loss he was impossible to land a punch on. The same way Cruz and Wonderboy are known for their elusiveness, Machida was untouchable. There was a big drop off in his speed and reflexes after getting knocked out by Shogun. Why do you believe that fighters stay the same forever? Constant damage and injuries do add up. Do you train any martial arts? How old are you? Almost all athletes lose a step in their mid thirties yet he still fought great against all of those guys you mentioned. He arguably beat Rampage and Davis and even though he lost to Weidman he still fucked Weidman up and that was very competitive

Now Machida dropped out of his prime because he lost? Holy fucking shit lmfao

 

[ExitLUPin]

I'm inventing a version of Gus that doesn't exist?

Lol! The irony. Stop acting as if Machida was some unbeatable striker that was impossible to hit and had unbelievable fight ending power.

He finished 2 top fighters at LHW, Rashad and Bader yet you think he has the striking chops to outpoint Gus when he couldn't outpoint Jones on the feet, or Davis, or Rampage. Weidman beat him up on the feet as well.

Rashad was rocked multiple times before the KO by rushing in.

Machida lost to Jones much more decisively and would get crushed by Cormier and Rumble. They shouldn't even sanction him in a fight against Rumble, actually.

He wasnt an unbeatable striker and i never once said he would knock out Gus or had fight ending power. Humble could beat Lyoto standing. Gus tho? LMAO give me a break kid

He also finishes Thiago standing and put a clinic on him, something Gus couldnt accomplish in multiple rounds. He outpointed Davis on the feet, Davis won win the TDs. He was also outpointing Bones on the feet before the knockdown and knees and he did statistically outpoint Hampage as well.

Yet the last sequence was him getting countered in range not rushing in.

Prime LHW Lyoto could def beat Humble if he doesnt get knocked out in the 1st. Hes a far more well rounded fighter and he could choke Humble on the ground after surviving and Humble gassing just like Daniel, Koscheck and Clementi did to him after taking his will to fight away.