Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[LeonardoBjj]

Our external sex organs just aren't meant to be punched, kicked, clubbed, slashed (or shot!), and don't anticipate it. I still vividly remember getting kicked square in third grade, lol. I was trying and mostly failing to hold back tears, it hurt so fucking bad.

- I do TKD. Dont know how people can hit such small target, so many times. It's like it's become magnetic after the first acidental kick!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

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[djacobox372]

Or how rifles (all rifles, not just evil and scary ones like the AR15) are responsible for just roughly 2.2% of homicide victims (1,573 out of 72,781 over a five year span). And yet we supposedly HAVE to ban them!

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

ucr.fbi.gov

Yep, and rifles, especially evil and scary ones like the ar15 are the most expressly protected arms due to the purpose outlined in the 2A (militia use).

They could make a better 2A argument for banning handguns and shotguns, as those aren't typically used by "regulated militias" protecting their country.

 

[My Spot]

Yep, and rifles, especially evil and scary ones like the ar15 are the most expressly protected arms due to the purpose outlined in the 2A (militia use).

They could make a better 2A argument for banning handguns and shotguns, as those aren't typically used by "regulated militias" protecting their country.

How would you go about banning handguns?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Scary weapons shopuld be banned:

LIke a shark pistol:

 

[Deorum]

How would you go about banning handguns?

Yeah, that's a definite no-go. A rifle is obviously vastly superior for home defense, shootouts, and pretty much all SHTF scenarios, but there's far too much convenience and utility in handguns for personal protection in public spaces to give them up.

 

[fingercuffs]

If I have 57 guns how many back ground checks do I need ? Also if I have a whole closet full of weapons do I still have to go through a cooling off period? If a person has several weapons and no record for years have they not already proved themselves to be safe ?


honestly I would rather guns be an absolute free for all than anything resemble where you come from and since the goal is always mission creep my answer to most gun restrictions is no. Not because I think they are a bad idesa there are things I agree with but because I think it's in bad faith and the end goal is always the removal of guns entirely. You give an inch and then you will be asked for another and another.

Why would you want someone who has been to prison for beating his wife with documented violent mental health problems being able to walk into a gun store and walk out with a deadly firearm without valid checks to make sure he's okay to be let loose with one?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Why would you want someone who has been to prison for beating his wife with documented violent mental health problems being able to walk into a gun store and walk out with a deadly firearm without valid checks to make sure he's okay to be let loose with one?

Psychology is not a hard science.

 

[djacobox372]

Yeah, that's a definite no-go. A rifle is obviously vastly superior for home defense, shootouts, and pretty much all SHTF scenarios, but there's far too much convenience and utility in handguns for personal protection in public spaces to give them up.

The 2A doesn't mention personal protection. It's about arms for "militia" purposes.

 

[djacobox372]

How would you go about banning handguns?

It's not that hard, you just restrict the private sale, offer buybacks. Over time they go away.

 

[Deorum]

The 2A doesn't mention personal protection. It's about arms for "militia" purposes.

Yeah, self-defense and personal protection are fundamental natural rights that exist independent of any constitution or government. It's raw human instinct. In any case, that's certainly the 2A framework and interpretation of constitutional law we have now. See: District of Columbia v. Heller, McDonald v. City of Chicago, NYSRPA v. Bruen.

 

[fingercuffs]

The 2A doesn't mention personal protection. It's about arms for "militia" purposes.

Could you expand on this please?

/disclaimer" I'm not wanting to disarm us.

 

[Deorum]

Could you expand on this please?

/disclaimer" I'm not wanting to disarm us.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States. It ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms—unconnected with service in a militia—for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.

McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that found that the right of an individual to keep and bear arms, as protected under the Second Amendment, is incorporated by the Fourteenth Amendment and is thereby enforceable against the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S. 1 (2022), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States related to the Second Amendment. The ruling struck down the Sullivan Act, a 1911 New York state law requiring applicants for a concealed carry license to show "proper cause" or "special need". Expanding on the landmark District of Columbia v. Heller decision, the court ruled that the Second Amendment also protects an individual's right to carry a firearm in public for the purposes of self-defense.

 

[fingercuffs]

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States. It ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms—unconnected with service in a militia—for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.

McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that found that the right of an individual to keep and bear arms, as protected under the Second Amendment, is incorporated by the Fourteenth Amendment and is thereby enforceable against the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S. 1 (2022), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States related to the Second Amendment. The ruling struck down the Sullivan Act, a 1911 New York state law requiring applicants for a concealed carry license to show "proper cause" or "special need". Expanding on the landmark District of Columbia v. Heller decision, the court ruled that the Second Amendment also protects an individual's right to carry a firearm in public for the purposes of self-defense.

Sorry, I meant the 2A part about it only being when it comes to a militia.

 

[shockaholic12]

Suicide should count as it's own thing. No one can stop you from killing you but you. It insane to me to think that anyone should have to compromise their rights over something like that. That's a problem for overhauling our medical system not giving up one of our most important freedoms

And It's very misleading when you just show this huge number of gun deaths and misinformed people assume that means murder and that they are more dangerous than they are. Same thing with mass shootings . Most of those aren't some dude with an ar just blasting away and the amount of people who don't know that is staggering . There's a lot of lies hiding in the numbers .

Well if there’s a huge number of violent guns deaths because of suicides….then it follows that it is clearly a very real danger to society that it should worry about. It’s not like these stats are made up of institutionalized crazy folks, these are everyday people and their kids killing themselves.

Something like 20% of adults in America have been diagnosed with depression. Arguably even a bigger issues in our kids. Gun access plays a tangible role in how fatal this problem is. Suicides are violent deaths.

You haven’t really made an argument here as to way stats including suicide are misleading. They are leading cause of death, a violent one, and one made more common by firearm access.

 

[shockaholic12]

my argument against your position on suicide and gun violence in general goes like this. lets end suicide instead. lets become a loving society that is there for others. lets have each person actually seek spiritual growth and gain wisdom so that every single citizen is ready, willing and equipped to help their brother or sister out of that hole.

taking away guns in not the solution in a world that is profoundly violent and sick. that's the reason we need guns. what we all need to do is get off our assess and actually gain some growth and wisdom and usefulness to others and get on with the business of raising humanity up generationally.



I used to be a hippie and the thing I learned from that crowd is that nudity needs to come after enlightenment and not before it. getting rid of things that keep people honest, chaste, faithful etc is not the way to overcoming our issues and puts the cart before the horse. same with men in women's restrooms... first solve the problem of male pattern violence and then stick them in with women. to do it first though is really dumb.

 

[shockaholic12]

my argument against your position on suicide and gun violence in general goes like this. lets end suicide instead. lets become a loving society that is there for others. lets have each person actually seek spiritual growth and gain wisdom so that every single citizen is ready, willing and equipped to help their brother or sister out of that hole.

taking away guns in not the solution in a world that is profoundly violent and sick. that's the reason we need guns. what we all need to do is get off our assess and actually gain some growth and wisdom and usefulness to others and get on with the business of raising humanity up generationally.



I used to be a hippie and the thing I learned from that crowd is that nudity needs to come after enlightenment and not before it. getting rid of things that keep people honest, chaste, faithful etc is not the way to overcoming our issues and puts the cart before the horse. same with men in women's restrooms... first solve the problem of male pattern violence and then stick them in with women. to do it first though is really dumb.

Countries like the UK with very similar societies but stricter gun laws have like half the suicide rate of the US. So yes, reducing gun access is a very tangible solution.

“Lets all like get along man” is not really a tangible solution. Sounds nice in a song though.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

It's not that hard, you just restrict the private sale, offer buybacks. Over time they go away.

in countries not called the USA.

 

[oldshadow]

The 2A doesn't mention personal protection. It's about arms for "militia" purposes.

First the 2nd amendment nor any amendment nor the constitution its self gives you any rights. You are born with theses rights all it does it prevent the government from infringement of those rights. A free state includes the right of self-defense.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Well if there’s a huge number of violent guns deaths because of suicides….then it follows that it is clearly a very real danger to society that it should worry about. It’s not like these stats are made up of institutionalized crazy folks, these are everyday people and their kids killing themselves.

Something like 20% of adults in America have been diagnosed with depression. Arguably even a bigger issues in our kids. Gun access plays a tangible role in how fatal this problem is. Suicides are violent deaths.

You haven’t really made an argument here as to way stats including suicide are misleading. They are leading cause of death, a violent one, and one made more common by firearm access.

No thanks

I think its misleading because a lot of people see the numbers and think it's murder.

I don't want anyone to kill themselves. But I don't find suicide a valid excuse for gun control. I said I'm for all kinds of social programs to handle that and think that's a better solution.