GSP will give Khabib his first loss

[mkess101]

Shh, child, no need to get so worked up, we wouldn't want you to commit e-suicide too early before the fight actually happens, do we? But do keep briniging up roided Tibau like he's relevant or is an indicator of Khabib's abilities and how a takedown and top control heavy game translates to MMA the same way as classic Gracie BJJ. I mean, who ever gets threatened by GnP while looking for a reversal from the bottom, amirite? A grappler who pretty much never ends up on his back due to a strong TD game can transition to MMA the same way as a grappler with weak TDs who needs to work off his back often. Keep entertaining us with your "clowning"

Ha ha little guy you just keep trying and failing miserably huh? You love changing the subject every time you get slapped down. I wonder if you honestly think that works? You bring up Khabib's takedowns in his grappling career, I point out how he's actually adapted his takedown game while in MMA to something different than it ever was when he competed in grappling (something his actual fans trumpet), and you ignore it because you have no rebuttal.

You also don't want to acknowledge everyone laughing at you about your 48-47 dominant prediction score. Just ignore it and it might go away. Nope, it won't. Sorry boy, it's gonna stick with you. But again, I think deep down you for some reason like looking stupid and being made fun of.

 

[TapMachine]

Ha ha little guy you just keep trying and failing miserably huh? You love changing the subject every time you get slapped down. I wonder if you honestly think that works? You bring up Khabib's takedowns in his grappling career, I point out how he's actually adapted his takedown game while in MMA to something different than it ever was when he competed in grappling (something his actual fans trumpet), and you ignore it because you have no rebuttal.

You also don't want to acknowledge everyone laughing at you about your 48-47 dominant prediction score. Just ignore it and it might go away. Nope, it won't. Sorry boy, it's gonna stick with you. But again, I think deep down you for some reason like looking stupid and being made fun of.

But I'm not the mongoloid who conveniently "forgot" about the takedown aspect a couple of posts ago and implied that Roger or whichever Gracie you want is similar to Khabib, because they're good at top control. I'm also not the mongoloid trying to switch the subject of discussion from the fact that Khabib's game is TD heavy, which results in him almost never being on the bottom, compared to Gracies who have to fight off their back both in pure grappling and MMA once they face someone with a strong TD game, to how he adapted his takedowns in MMA, as if that changes the aforementioned fact of Khabib not needing to work off his back and thus not getting threatened by GnP in MMA.

Your entire post history is just a neverending stream of strawmen, it's funny how I'm the one getting accused of "changing the subject", lmao. Keep clownin'

 

[snackgod]

Fight makes sense ... big legacy opportunity for both, big money for both, over 1.5m PPVs for the UFC ... everyone gets what they are looking for.

At 155 if GSP can make it, at 170 if he cannot ... or 165 inaugural fight if they create that weight class.

And as per the title, GSP will give Khabib his first loss.

to bad gsp picked to retire over trying to fight khabib.

 

[mkess101]

But I'm not the mongoloid who conveniently "forgot" about the takedown aspect a couple of posts ago and implied that Roger or whichever Gracie you want is similar to Khabib, because they're good at top control. I'm also not the mongoloid trying to switch the subject of discussion from the fact that Khabib's game is TD heavy, which results in him almost never being on the bottom, compared to Gracies who have to fight off their back both in pure grappling and MMA once they face someone with a strong TD game, to how he adapted his takedowns in MMA, as if that changes the aforementioned fact of Khabib not needing to work off his back and thus not getting threatened by GnP in MMA.

Your entire post history is just a neverending stream of strawmen, it's funny how I'm the one getting accused of "changing the subject", lmao. Keep clownin'

FFS you idiot, have you seen Khabib's fights in Russia? He is put on his back numerous times! I've seen at least 3 of his MMA fights where he wins via triangle after being put on his back! You keep yapping about things you evidently have no clue about, searching for some semblance of a leg to stand on. But there isn't one, you are just too dumb to eject.

I'm not even clowning you anymore, you are doing it to yourself LMAO.

 

[HendoIsChamp]

to bad gsp picked to retire over trying to fight khabib.

He just said on an interview that the Khabib fight is the only fight that interests him. Khabib has also said GSP is his dream fight. It would be a shame if Khabib ducks this fight.

 

[TapMachine]

FFS you idiot, have you seen Khabib's fights in Russia? He is put on his back numerous times! I've seen at least 3 of his MMA fights where he wins via triangle after being put on his back! You keep yapping about things you evidently have no clue about, searching for some semblance of a leg to stand on. But there isn't one, you are just too dumb to eject.

I'm not even clowning you anymore, you are doing it to yourself LMAO.

Lmao, the mongoloid tries to switch the subject again while accusing others of switching the subject. Khabib's fights in Russia have nothing to do with the discussion, neither his MMA fights, nor the Sambo ones. You've implied that Kahbib's NAGA world championship win is irrelevant in MMA, because his pure no-gi grappling game somehow does not translate to MMA perfectly even though he actually GAINS tools when translating his style to MMA (GnP from top control, since top control and landing on top in the first place due to TDs is his specialty), not loses. a Gracie got outgrappled in MMA and you've somehow tried to draw a parallel with Khabib whose style is nothing like Gracie BJJ, lmao.

I know how to deal with trash like you: you're not going to pull a strawman on me, you're not going to change the subject, you're not worming your way out of this. You're retarded, end of story.

 

[mkess101]

Lmao, the mongoloid tries to switch the subject again while accusing others of switching the subject. Khabib's fights in Russia have nothing to do with the discussion, neither his MMA fights, nor the Sambo ones. You've implied that Kahbib's NAGA world championship win is irrelevant in MMA, because his pure no-gi grappling game somehow does not translate to MMA perfectly even though he actually GAINS tools when translating to MMA (GnP from top control, since top control and landing on top in the first place due to TDs is his specialty), not loses. a Gracie got outgrappled in MMA and you've somehow tried to draw a parallel with Khabib whose style is nothing like Gracie BJJ, lmao.

I know how to deal with trash like you: you're not going to pull a strawman on me, you're not going to change the subject, you're not worming your way out of this. You're retarded, end of story.

You say Khabib's game translates better because it's focused on takedowns and top control and avoiding gnp while delivering it. I inform you that when he transitioned to MMA he was actually fighting off his back (the EXACT scenario you are saying his grappling style allowed him to avoid) and then you say it has nothing to do with the discussion?

You literally could not look any more stupid if you were trying to. You are the textbook definition of a knuckle dragger. Does it physically hurt you being as stupid as you are? It must.

 

[TapMachine]

You say Khabib's game translates better because it's focused on takedowns and top control and avoiding gnp while delivering it. I inform you that when he transitioned to MMA he was actually fighting off his back (the EXACT scenario you are saying his grappling style allowed him to avoid) and then you say it has nothing to do with the discussion?

You literally could not look any more stupid if you were trying to. You are the textbook definition of a knuckle dragger. Does it physically hurt you being as stupid as you are? It must.

I inform you that switching the subject is not going to work with me, child. You've dismissed Khabib's NAGA win, because you think his style is similar to that of a classic BJJ specialist and translates to MMA in a similar fashion. No amount of verbal diarrhea is going to make you look not retarded.

 

[mkess101]

It's your subject! You are the one making the claim his style from grappling keeps him off his back and thus translates better. But he has had to fight off his back numerous times in MMA. This is what YOU have claimed. You are in panic mode now, just repeating yourself. You have no answer for this, do you? Except to ignore these facts and repeat generalizations. But it won't work, and you know it. You are trapped...again. Kid, you gotta eject here, it's gone from bad to worse for you. Help yourself out.

 

[TapMachine]

It's your subject! You are the one making the claim his style from grappling keeps him off his back and thus translates better. But he has had to fight off his back numerous times in MMA. This is what YOU have claimed. You are in panic mode now, just repeating yourself. You have no answer for this, do you? Except to ignore these facts and repeat generalizations. But it won't work, and you know it. You are trapped...again. Kid, you gotta eject here, it's gone from bad to worse for you. Help yourself out.

Lmao, another strawman. How many times was he put on his back in his NAGA championship run? Which match in that competition made you compare Khabib's style to that of a Gracie and imply that their styles translate to MMA in the same manner, dumbfuck? You're not changing the subject, child, but it's funny to see you try doing so in a pathetic fit of desperation.

 

[snackgod]

He just said on an interview that the Khabib fight is the only fight that interests him. Khabib has also said GSP is his dream fight. It would be a shame if Khabib ducks this fight.

on ariel show gsp said he leaning toward retirement.

khabib not ducking any one.

 

[mkess101]

Lmao, another strawman. How many times was he put on his back in his NAGA championship run? Which match in that competition made you compare Khabib's style to that of a Gracie and imply that their styles translate to MMA in the same manner, dumbfuck? You're not changing the subject, child, but it's funny to see you try doing so in a pathetic fit of desperation.

So...to be clear: You are saying that he was not put on his back during his NAGA run. And because of that...when he transitioned to MMA and then WAS put on his back in multiple fights, his grappling style "allowed him to not have to fight off his back and deal with his opponent's gnp"? That is your rebuttal? You have to be joking. There is no way you are being serious here. Not even you can be this dumb.

Since it's a fact that Khabib has had to fight off his back in numerous MMA fights, how did his non-Gracie grappling style fail him in keeping off his back? You have painted yourself in a hell of a corner here, sport...

There's no strawman. These are YOUR claims. Your direct quote: "Khabib's game is TD heavy, which results in him almost never being on the bottom". But he has had to fight off the bottom, in at LEAST three fights (likely more, that's just the ones I've seen). Which means he evidently made these adjustments AFTER he had been in MMA awhile, and not competing in grappling and sambo.

You gonna address this, or just repeat the same drivel? You try to make it about me, but there are fact you cannot deny.

1. You claimed "Khabib's game is TD heavy, which results in him almost never being on the bottom"

2. He has been put on his back in numerous MMA fights

Which of these is false or has anything to do with "my credibility" LMAO. It's your credibility that's gone from non-existent to straight up train wreck territory here little fella.

 

[TapMachine]

So...to be clear: You are saying that he was not put on his back during his NAGA run. And because of that...when he transitioned to MMA and then WAS put on his back in multiple fights, his grappling style "allowed him to not have to fight off his back and deal with his opponent's gnp"? That is your rebuttal? You have to be joking. There is no way you are being serious here. Not even you can be this dumb.

Since it's a fact that Khabib has had to fight off his back in numerous MMA fights, how did his non-Gracie grappling style fail him in keeping off his back? You have painted yourself in a hell of a corner here, sport...

There's no strawman. These are YOUR claims. Your direct quote: "Khabib's game is TD heavy, which results in him almost never being on the bottom". But he has had to fight off the bottom, in at LEAST three fights (likely more, that's just the ones I've seen). Which means he evidently made these adjustments AFTER he had been in MMA awhile, and not competing in grappling and sambo.

You gonna address this, or just repeat the same drivel? You try to make it about me, but there are fact you cannot deny.

1. You claimed "Khabib's game is TD heavy, which results in him almost never being on the bottom"

2. He has been put on his back in numerous MMA fights

Which of these is false or has anything to do with "my credibility" LMAO. It's your credibility that's gone from non-existent to straight up train wreck territory here little fella.

I'm saying that you're a retard, because you think that a takedown and top control heavy grappling game translates to MMA in a similar fashion as classic Gracie BJJ. I'm saying that you're a mongoloid who baselessly dismisses fighter achievements when it fits your delusional nuthugger agenda. I don't care about Khabib's pre-UFC or even Sambo fights, you're not going to pull a strawman on me with your implications that I've ever used them as an example of Khabib's amazing achievements. I'm talking about you being a slimy sack of excrement and pretending like Khabib's NAGA win is irrelevant, because... his grappling is comparable to that of a Gracie.



Squirm as much as you want, you're not worming your way out of this, no matter how many walls of verbal diarrhea you excrete.

 

[mkess101]

I'm saying that you're a retard, because you think that a takedown and top control heavy grappling game translates to MMA in a similar fashion as classic Gracie BJJ. I'm saying that you're a mongoloid who baselessly dismisses fighter achievements when it fits your delusional nuthugger agenda. I don't care about Khabib's pre-UFC or even Sambo fights, you're not going to pull a strawman on me with your implications that I've ever used them as an example of Khabib's amazing achievements. I'm talking about you being a slimy sack of excrement and pretending like Khabib's NAGA win is irrelevant, because... his grappling is comparable to that of a Gracie.



Squirm as much as you want, you're not worming your way out of this, no matter how many walls of verbal diarrhea you excrete.

So Khabib didn't have to play guard at NAGA and fight off his back like a Gracie is your argument then? I just want to be clear what your main point is, because you jump all over the place. Is that what you are saying?

 

[TapMachine]

So Khabib didn't have to play guard at NAGA and fight off his back like a Gracie is your argument then? I just want to be clear what your main point is, because you jump all over the place. Is that what you are saying?

My argument is that you're a retard who thinks that Khabib's grappling style is similar to that of a Gracie (ANY Gracie, be it Roger or whoever) and that you're a slimy sack of shit for trying to change the subject every post while accusing people of doing what you're doing.

 

[mkess101]

My argument is that you're a retard who thinks that Khabib's grappling style is similar to that of a Gracie (ANY Gracie, be it Roger or whoever) and that you're a slimy sack of shit for trying to change the subject every post while accusing people of doing what you're doing.

I really wish it wasn't so fun or easy doing this... Google Khabib Nurmagomedov NAGA and literally the SECOND link you find shows him here...

...fighting off his back and playing guard like a Gracie!!!

LMAO I kinda do feel bad now. This has always been one-sided and you never had a chance because you talk about shit you don't know, but now it's just...sad.

Wait...let me guess. You are gonna claim I doctored a photo or something LMAO.

The weird thing is, I don't hate Khabib at all. He made me a lot of $ vs Conor, and he's a great fighter. And in fact I'm on record all over this forum as saying (despite your childish tantrums implying otherwise) that Tony vs Khabib is close to a coin toss and both guys have paths to victory. And that if Khabib won I wouldn't be shocked at all. The reality is that you are upset because you are extremely emotionally invested in him and the fact that I even dared to question whether his grappling background would totally equate to instant MMA dominance in the same way, you went into full attack mode.

Anyway, I hope you don't take this as seriously as some of your posts suggest (or suggest how seriously you think I take it). It's just a fight forum, if Khabib or Tony win it won't really affect either of our lives. It's interesting to discuss, but all this idiotic e-suicide crap...LMAO c'mon. If Tony were to beat Khabib are you never posting here again? I would doubt that, but maybe you wouldn't.

 

[FrodoFraggins]

Fight makes sense ... big legacy opportunity for both, big money for both, over 1.5m PPVs for the UFC ... everyone gets what they are looking for.

At 155 if GSP can make it, at 170 if he cannot ... or 165 inaugural fight if they create that weight class.

And as per the title, GSP will give Khabib his first loss.

Khabib should not accept a fight at a weight higher than 163. A catchweight makes sense for the UFC as it will keep GSP from taking a belt and bailing again. I also supported GSP fighting Anderson, when both had a belt, but only at 178 or less.

 

[TapMachine]

I really wish it wasn't so fun or easy doing this... Google Khabib Nurmagomedov NAGA and literally the SECOND link you find shows him here...

...fighting off his back and playing guard like a Gracie!!!

LMAO I kinda do feel bad now. This has always been one-sided and you never had a chance because you talk about shit you don't know, but now it's just...sad.

Wait...let me guess. You are gonna claim I doctored a photo or something LMAO.

The weird thing is, I don't hate Khabib at all. He made me a lot of $ vs Conor, and he's a great fighter. And in fact I'm on record all over this forum as saying (despite your childish tantrums implying otherwise) that Tony vs Khabib is close to a coin toss and both guys have paths to victory. And that if Khabib won I wouldn't be shocked at all. The reality is that you are upset because you are extremely emotionally invested in him and the fact that I even dared to question whether his grappling background would totally equate to instant MMA dominance in the same way, you went into full attack mode.

Anyway, I hope you don't take this as seriously as some of your posts suggest (or suggest how seriously you think I take it). It's just a fight forum, if Khabib or Tony win it won't really affect either of our lives. It's interesting to discuss, but all this idiotic e-suicide crap...LMAO c'mon. If Tony were to beat Khabib are you never posting here again? I would doubt that, but maybe you wouldn't.

So, Khabib's style is the same as that of a Gracie because he was put on his back in one match? Is Roger's style the same as Kahbib's because he can score a takedown as well? Or are you going to pull the usual strawman and say that I've claimed Khabib was never put on his back? Again, keep "clownin'", child, because at this point I don't even need to humiliate you, you're doing it perfectly yourself. Hilarious how you've decided to post a single screenshot instead of the actual video, because the actual video does not support your delusional nonsense of Khabib grappling like a classic Gracie BJJ fighter at all:



How much of that time did Khabib spend on his back? How many takedowns were scored against Khabib, dumbfuck? It's one thing to criticize a fighter, but it's completely another thing to dismiss achievements because of some nonsense you pulled out of your ass. I'm communicating with you precisely in the manner you deserve to be communicated with.

 

[mkess101]

So, Khabib's style is the same as that of a Gracie because he was put on his back in one match? Is Roger's style the same as Kahbib's because he can score a takedown as well? Or are you going to pull the usual strawman and say that I've claimed Khabib was never put on his back? Again, keep "clownin'", child, because at this point I don't even need to humiliate you, you're doing it perfectly yourself. Hilarious how you've decided to post a single screenshot instead of the actual video, because the actual video does not support your delusional nonsense of Khabib grappling like a classic Gracie BJJ fighter at all:



How much of that time did Khabib spend on his back? How many takedowns were scored against Khabib, dumbfuck? It's one thing to criticize a fighter, but it's completely another thing to dismiss achievements because of some nonsense you pulled out of your ass. I'm communicating with you precisely in the manner you deserve to be communicated with.

LMAO you asked me specifically which match in NAGA that Khabib was put on his back. A simple Google search and the SECOND link shows him playing guard.

Did I ever say he doesn't spend the majority of the time with top control? You were the one arguing his style "almost always" keeps him off his back, both in MMA and in the grappling world. Yet as we see there's examples (multiple in MMA--which all of a sudden don't matter to you oddly) of him being put on his back clearly.

Roger also generally secures top position immediately in his matches. Not off sweeps from the bottom, but with TD's. But because his last name is Gracie your view is "But but but it's different!"

I like how you ignore all the good things I say about Khabib too, that's the funniest part. It's like you are so angry that you need me to be some raging Khabib hater that thinks he sucks. Which is just idiotic. I've never said once that he isn't great, and if you think I have then you are either dumber than even I thought, or an even worse liar.

It's a good thing nobody but you gives a fuck how you think "I deserve to be communicated with". I'm making an attempt at least to bring things back somewhere near civility, but you evidently are too riled up to agree to that.

Are you seriously this emotionally invested in this guy? I guess it's harmless if you are, but man it's kinda bizarre.

 

[BBMN]

Did you not see GSP vs Bisping? He didn't do that old GSP style when he dropped Bisping and choked him unconscious.

Yes. I watched it.

I feel GSP (who always has great game planning) will fight 100% different than he did with Bisping. For starters, Bisping is bigger than GSP and is very sound in his striking. GSP was basically forced to fighting a more brutal style because he wanted the finish, as opposed to sitting around and taking damage for an entire fight. Bisping was able to land some nice shots on GSP. Also, St Pierre absolutely has the advantage (even with less weight) on the mat. He made a career out of dragging guys to the mat, whereas Bisping is not known for his grappling. Basically play to your strengths. More or less I'm saying using a blitz and finish approach was the best line of thought, as Bisping was indeed doing damage to GSP, and GSP is indeed better on the mat. GSP didn't really have the option to do his traditional safe style because he was fighting a bigger man that can take a lot of damage, and who was also delivering some very solid shots.

On the other hand, this strategy doesn't work as well for a high level grappler like Khabib. Willingly grappling with one of the most dominant wrestlers in UFC history is definitely not good fight IQ. I see GSP following a more traditional game plan. Basically utilize the jab (and low leg kick combo) to keep distance, and only take it to the mat when it feels like he can secure a dominant position for the remainder of the round. You know, GSP 101 stuff.

So yea, I saw the Bisping match.