GSP vs Jones Finishes

[BFoe]

@Beebop and I was more directing my comment at the other dude, who I see has been banned now. I just included you because you agreed.

 

[Echo_Bliss]

GSP never popped dirtay.

Jones has achieved a lot, but would you posit Barry Bonds as the best of all time, too?

It's hard to call cases like Jones where we honestly do not know.

 

[jayo2k]

how long have you been apart of the sport?

Long enough to know that Goodridge is no top 10
Long enough to know that Zuluzinho is no top 10
Long enough to know the Arona win was controversial

Appart of Nog name me one great win Fedor had...
I love how fedor fan "best" excuse to his loses were "he was getting old" (at 34...) but now we see DC (40), Stipe (37) still being top dog and Hendo is 2 year older than Fedor

 

[jayo2k]

Coleman (x2), Randleman , Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovksi. Are you not counting Sylvia and Arlovski because they weren’t part of “his reign”? Schilt and Herring before he was champ. And he wasn’t eking out razor thin decisions. He dominated Nog (twice), finished Coleman twice, tapped Randleman in 2 mins, tapped Hunt, beat Sylvia in 36 seconds, KOed Arlovski in Rd 1.
If you want to think Jones is the GOAT, that’s your business. But what you’re saying about Fedor’s run is ridiculous.

You just proved my point, Coleman really...? That one dimensional man, and Randleman... Those are your killer wins?
Arlovski on a 4 fight losing streak is a great win...
Sylvia went on a 1-4 in his last fights at the time he fought Fedor is a great win to you?
Semmy on a 3 fights losing streak and with an average record of 26 wins for 14 losses
Since when Herring was a top dog...? He got mauled by newbe Lesnar, he punched him and roleld to the other side of the cage... That same Heering who never beat a top 10...

Those are your great win? Really?
Fedor might be the only fighter who get tons of credit for beating fighters with a 75% win ration...

Not to mention that Fedor did all the tricks in the book to not fight Overeem and at the same moment wanted to fight Lashley (a bellow average fighter so his fan could say he killed another man...)

Fedor went crazy to not fight in the UFC and when nog became champ, he then asked to fight in the UFC...
Yeah, he is great, not like Jon jones who just keep fighting the best of the best
Not like Israel who fights the best and not back down
not like Stipe who fight the best available

Nah, those guys are not beating fighters with a 20-10 records, they fights fighter with 20-3 records...
You just proved my point, Fedor has no great wins appart of Nog

 

[Lint]

The difference between Jones and GSP is that GSP fled before USADA busted his ass over, now people are delusional thinking he'd be the unbeatable boring ass fighter he used to be without his peds, pretty much what's happening to Jones right now, except that Jones actually engage fights, on the contrary is GSP.

Even though I don't like the way Jones won over his last fights, he's miles ahead of GSP.

 

[BFoe]

You just proved my point, Coleman really...? That one dimensional man, and Randleman... Those are your killer wins?
Arlovski on a 4 fight losing streak is a great win...
Sylvia went on a 1-4 in his last fights at the time he fought Fedor is a great win to you?
Semmy on a 3 fights losing streak and with an average record of 26 wins for 14 losses
Since when Herring was a top dog...? He got mauled by newbe Lesnar, he punched him and roleld to the other side of the cage... That same Heering who never beat a top 10...

Those are your great win? Really?
Fedor might be the only fighter who get tons of credit for beating fighters with a 75% win ration...

Not to mention that Fedor did all the tricks in the book to not fight Overeem and at the same moment wanted to fight Lashley (a bellow average fighter so his fan could say he killed another man...)

Fedor went crazy to not fight in the UFC and when nog became champ, he then asked to fight in the UFC...
Yeah, he is great, not like Jon jones who just keep fighting the best of the best
Not like Israel who fights the best and not back down
not like Stipe who fight the best available

Nah, those guys are not beating fighters with a 20-10 records, they fights fighter with 20-3 records...
You just proved my point, Fedor has no great wins appart of Nog

Ohhh...I see what this conversation is gonna be...sorry but this is a waste of time.

“Arlovski on a 4 fight losing streak”—um, no. Arlovski went on that losing streak AFTER losing to Fedor. When he fought Fedor, he was on a 5 fight winning streak, which included wins over Werdum, Rothwell, and Roy Nelson. Hell, Arlovski was one fight away from a UFC title shot in 2017 <45>
Herring was never a top dog? Who were the best heavyweights in 2002? Couture, Nog, Barnett, Ricco, and Herring. And yeah, Lesnar beat a shopworn Herring 6 years later—and Uncle Dana rewarded him with a title shot, despite Lesnar having lost the fight before that!
Anyway, you can believe whatever you like. I can see we aren’t going to deal in facts here, so peace out.
<{ByeHomer}>

 

[robbie]

@dildos
Like the Hendricks fight?

Are you referring to the Hendricks who lost to Rick Story and then got overly generous split decision wins over Pierce and Koscheck? That same Hendricks???

 

[jayo2k]

Ohhh...I see what this conversation is gonna be...sorry but this is a waste of time.

“Arlovski on a 4 fight losing streak”—um, no. Arlovski went on that losing streak AFTER losing to Fedor. When he fought Fedor, he was on a 5 fight winning streak, which included wins over Werdum, Rothwell, and Roy Nelson. Hell, Arlovski was one fight away from a UFC title shot in 2017 <45>
Herring was never a top dog? Who were the best heavyweights in 2002? Couture, Nog, Barnett, Ricco, and Herring. And yeah, Lesnar beat a shopworn Herring 6 years later—and Uncle Dana rewarded him with a title shot, despite Lesnar having lost the fight before that!
Anyway, you can believe whatever you like. I can see we aren’t going to deal in facts here, so peace out.
<{ByeHomer}>

fanboyism....

 

[Beebop]

Well, Herring was the #1 contender in PRIDE at the time. If you took UFC and PRIDE both into account, Herring was probably #3. Hell, Brock got a UFC title shot after beating Herring 6 years later, lol. Coleman was probably losing it by ‘06 when they rematched—but when they first met, Coleman had won 7 of his last 8 fights (the loss was to Nog).
But yeah, I’ll agree that Fedor has some padding on his record overall. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. But it’s still heavyweight where one punch can end the fight. Jones dwarfsFedor but won’t take a heavyweight fight. Fedor had basically a 31 fight win streak. No UFC champ has won more than 3 fights after becoming champ. Fedor won 18; and while there’s some padding, there’s still Nog, Mirko, Hunt, Coleman, Randleman, Sylvia, and Arlovski. It’s more than a respectable resume.

Absolutely. I just think he might have fought too long. Same with Nog, Chuck. GSP left at the right time

 

[jayo2k]

Ohhh...I see what this conversation is gonna be...sorry but this is a waste of time.

“Arlovski on a 4 fight losing streak”—um, no. Arlovski went on that losing streak AFTER losing to Fedor. When he fought Fedor, he was on a 5 fight winning streak, which included wins over Werdum, Rothwell, and Roy Nelson. Hell, Arlovski was one fight away from a UFC title shot in 2017 <45>
Herring was never a top dog? Who were the best heavyweights in 2002? Couture, Nog, Barnett, Ricco, and Herring. And yeah, Lesnar beat a shopworn Herring 6 years later—and Uncle Dana rewarded him with a title shot, despite Lesnar having lost the fight before that!
Anyway, you can believe whatever you like. I can see we aren’t going to deal in facts here, so peace out.
<{ByeHomer}>

None of Jones best wins were nor went on a fight losing streak
None of GSP biggest wins went on a losing streak
None of Anderson Silva biggest win went on a losing streak (around the time he faced them)
None of Israel biggest wins went on losing streak
None of DC best wins went on a losing streak
None of ...

But all of Fedor best wins (minus Nog) went or were on a losing streak... That tells a lot.
You beat someone, you feel good.... Then you see many people do so with ease right after or before you... That mean, you just beat a bum... But hey, to Fedor fan, that just mean he beat the killer of the killer
Fedor made Brett Rogger look great...

 

[grimballer]

Can’t really compare the 2.

jones was finishing top lhw who weren’t easy to beat (let alone finish)

gsp on the other hand couldn’t finish guys that weren’t that hard to finish.

If you look deeper most gsp opponent went on losing records after gsp which means they were already on a decline when gsp beat them.

 

[poor form]

The difference between Jones and GSP is that GSP fled before USADA busted his ass over, now people are delusional thinking he'd be the unbeatable boring ass fighter he used to be without his peds, pretty much what's happening to Jones right now, except that Jones actually engage fights, on the contrary is GSP.

Even though I don't like the way Jones won over his last fights, he's miles ahead of GSP.

I love how guys like you try to make it sound like GSP had his last fight a month before USADA, then he just quit, because he was afraid of getting busted. When we all know his last fight was a whole year and a half before USADA.

Yet GSP returned, and went through USADA to win the MW title against an ex-LHW. And I barely need mention that GSP finished that fight.

It’s just dishonest, and you know it.

 

[BFoe]

None of Jones best wins were nor went on a fight losing streak
None of GSP biggest wins went on a losing streak
None of Anderson Silva biggest win went on a losing streak (around the time he faced them)
None of Israel biggest wins went on losing streak
None of DC best wins went on a losing streak
None of ...

But all of Fedor best wins (minus Nog) went or were on a losing streak... That tells a lot.
You beat someone, you feel good.... Then you see many people do so with ease right after or before you... That mean, you just beat a bum... But hey, to Fedor fan, that just mean he beat the killer of the killer
Fedor made Brett Rogger look great...

None of GSP’s biggest wins went on a losing streak? Really? Must be news to B.J. Penn, Johny Hendricks, and Carlos Condit.
But we’re just going to split hairs here over what qualifies as “biggest win,” what a losing streak entails, etc. Are Frank Mir or Roy Nelson some of Cormier’s biggest wins? They’re certainly very solid wins at the time they occurred, and they’ve gone on losing streaks or alternated wins and losses. It happens. Especially at heavyweight.
The only reason Fedor made Rogers “look great” is because we’d seen Fedor be so dominant it was surprising to see his opponent put up a fight. And Rogers didn’t even look that great against a declining Fedor. He busted Fedor’s nose with a good jab right away, and he had Fedor up against the fence landing short knees (while holding the fence the whole time). That’s basically it. All of the other offense in that entire fight was Fedor. Fedor won rd 1, and KOed him in rd 2.

 

[grimballer]

None of Jones best wins were nor went on a fight losing streak
None of GSP biggest wins went on a losing streak
None of Anderson Silva biggest win went on a losing streak (around the time he faced them)
None of Israel biggest wins went on losing streak
None of DC best wins went on a losing streak
None of ...

But all of Fedor best wins (minus Nog) went or were on a losing streak... That tells a lot.
You beat someone, you feel good.... Then you see many people do so with ease right after or before you... That mean, you just beat a bum... But hey, to Fedor fan, that just mean he beat the killer of the killer
Fedor made Brett Rogger look great...

you’re off

After fedor (nex 5 bouts):

crocop goes 4-1 (only loss sd)

Big nog goes 5-0 after 1st loss to fedor n 4-1 after 2nd loss (again only loss a sd)

Sylvia goes 4-1

Arlovski: 2-3

Herring: 4-1

Coleman: 2-1 after 1st loss, 1-2 after 2nd

Schilt: 2-3

hunt: 1-4

Randleman: 1-4



Compare that to gsp

Hendricks: 2-3

Condit: 2-3

Shields: 3-2

Kos: 2-3

Hardy: 2-3

Alves: 2-3

Bj: 3-2

Serra: 1-2

Fitch: 5-0

Hughes: 3-2

 

[Sturmgeshutz]

Jon's competition was of a much higher caliber than GSP's. When it comes to Goat talks this is the main difference for me:

Jon as the 23 year old challenger made the defending champion tap to strikes

GSP as the defending champion tapped to strikes

The most populated division worldwide is LW then WW. Therefore the Khabib > GSP > Jones.

 

[Hirashin]

Anderson Silva via Matrix!

 

[TheSpider]

GSP - 1 finish (vs a bloated LW via corner stoppage) in 9 title defenses

 

[YourBoss]

Jones has lost 4 fights in his career, but got saved by the judges each time, just like he was saved by usada and the uc after failing 3 or 4 drug tests. the guy is slowing down very very quickly since he has been off the juice and its only a matter of time before he gets beaten big time. hes overrated and was never anything special without his peds. its now showing. he is not in the conversation for GOAT, and never ever will be again. What he is is a quite interesting case to show how much PEDs can actually do for you. So thank him for that. His name should never be mentioned in one sentence with GSP or Fedor however.

 

[jx820]

jones does just enough to make alot of people question if he won the fight.

gsp won dominantly leaving no doubt as to who won.

I remember right after the Hendricks fight, everyone was saying "no question who won that fight".

Props to GSP though, he always walked away with the win.

 

[Shadowthrone]

GSP - 1 finish (vs a bloated LW via corner stoppage) in 9 title defenses
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He also greased(and who knows how many other times, we'll just assume he was greased for every fight) for that fight, so he cheated in his only defense that wasnt a boring lay n pray decision