GSP post surgery and what so many overlook

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I am arguably one of the biggest GSP fans this site has known only giving way to TonyCPA.

And I am going to give you my opinion as to why GSP should not return and why so many who think he will simply 50-45 everyone is wrong.

GSP's biggest strength during his prime run imo was his transitional game. HIs transitional game allowed him to keep top wrestlers of strikers off their game as GSP was able to dictate where the fight took place and keep them from their strengths.

If he fought a striker who wanted to plant his feet to try and knock him out GSP took advantage of that stance to score the easier td and if he fought a grappler he would force the stand up and kick box him and jab him to death. During that period GSP was one of the least hit fighters in the sport of MMA.

After his ACL surgeries in 2011 and 2014 all that changed. GSP lost his explosiveness and transitional game and guys like Condit and Diaz were able to force him to stand and engage in a striking match. He spent more time standing in those matches then in the most prior and he got hit more in those last fights then in maybe the 10 prior. If you look at history many would argue that Diaz and Condit were arguably his easiest opponents to td in a long time and yet they were forcing the stand up.

So when I see people predicting an easy GSP return and 50-45 against any opponent (Bisping, Lawler, etc) I question if they are considering the post-surgery GSP V the pre surgery GSP? I would say that both Lawler and Bisping end up being striking match due to both having great tdd. And like against Hendricks who also forced a striking match it would be very close and controversial in who wins. Both fights are winnable for GSP but would be nowhere near the walk in the park he had in his prime when both would have to respect the td threat so much more.

People need to recognize the post surgery GSP is not the pre surgery GSP. This GSP has to strike far more and takes far more damage.
 
Gsp won all 10 rounds against Carlos and Nick. He easily was ahead at least 48 minutes of the 50 minutes in the Octagon vs. those two.

Only one knee was operated on at that time, the knee that didn't receive ACL surgery was still fucked up and eventually required ACL surgery.

Nick crawled away from the ground fight 3 times and refused to engage in the stand-up portion of the fight because Georges repeatedly beat him to the punch and when he fought Condit, it was in a pool of Carlos' blood.

Within one year of returning from ACL surgery, GSP won as many UFC title fights as the following fighters won throughout their entire careers: Jens Pulver, Joanna Jedrzejcyzk, Brock Lesnar, Robbie Lawler, T.J. Dillashaw, Rich Franklin, Andrei Arlovski and Frankie Edgar *Source

Within one year of returning from ACL surgery, GSP had as many (or more) consecutive title defenses as the following fighters had throughout their entire careers: Robbie Lawler, Joanna Jedzejcyzk, Chris Weidman, T.J. Dillasahw, Cain Velasquez, Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Rich Franklin, Andre Arlovski, Jens Pulver, Baby Jay, Renan Barao, Ben Henderson, Frank Edgar and Chris Weidman



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Gsp won all 10 rounds against Carlos and Nick. He easily was ahead at least 48 minutes of the 50 minutes in the Octagon vs. those two.

Only one knee was operated on at that time, the knee that didn't receive ACL surgery was still fucked up and eventually required ACL surgery.

Nick crawled away from the ground fight 3 times and refused to engage in the stand-up portion of the fight because Georges repeatedly beat him to the punch and when he fought Condit, it was in a pool of Carlos' blood.

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I'd give Condit the round where he landed the head kick, but 9 out of 10 still aint bad against those guys.

He very well may have lost the Hendricks fight though.

GSP still the best WW of all time by far. And top 3-4 p4p as well.

100% legend, no doubt.
 
Being as he is retired, I'd say his performance has severely declined.

On a serious note, his knee injuries and his obsession with putting on mass after the alves fight led to his decline.

Also having Firas make gsp obsess over highly detailed gameplans and making gsp pace himself led to much lower success at finishing fights.
 
Today's Lawler is a tough fight for any form of GSP. Especially with how badly Lawler will punish wrestlers from the sprawl position. GSP would need to stick to kicking and using his length in this fight if he came back.

Bisping is weird. He's a big guy, which I feel gives GSP more problems now. That, and Bisping has one hell of a gas tank.

Both are tough fights, especially after this long of a lay off. I still think they are winnable fights for GSP, but it's total speculation.
 
I am arguably one of the biggest GSP fans this site has known only giving way to TonyCPA..

DCSD
 
Would you go as far as saying you aren't impressed by it?
I was much more impressed with gsp during the era just before and after his second fight with Hughes, excluding the first serra fight.

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Gsp is the WW goat & one of the most dominant fighters of all time but he would not enjoy the same success if he came back today. For one the division is as stacked as ever but more importantly he's getting up there in age, he's had a bunch of knee injuries, & he hasn't fought in forever. I think prime gsp would hold the belt but he's not in his prime anymore.
 
Gsp won all 10 rounds against Carlos and Nick. He easily was ahead at least 48 minutes of the 50 minutes in the Octagon vs. those two.

Only one knee was operated on at that time, the knee that didn't receive ACL surgery was still fucked up and eventually required ACL surgery.

Nick crawled away from the ground fight 3 times and refused to engage in the stand-up portion of the fight because Georges repeatedly beat him to the punch and when he fought Condit, it was in a pool of Carlos' blood.

Within one year of returning from ACL surgery, GSP won as many UFC title fights as the following fighters won throughout their entire careers: Jens Pulver, Joanna Jedrzejcyzk, Brock Lesnar, Robbie Lawler, T.J. Dillashaw, Rich Franklin, Andrei Arlovski and Frankie Edgar *Source

Within one year of returning from ACL surgery, GSP had as many (or more) consecutive title defenses as the following fighters had throughout their entire careers: Robbie Lawler, Joanna Jedzejcyzk, Chris Weidman, T.J. Dillasahw, Cain Velasquez, Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Rich Franklin, Andre Arlovski, Jens Pulver, Baby Jay, Renan Barao, Ben Henderson, Frank Edgar and Chris Weidman



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one word: USADA
 
Well, I'm not gonna read that. But GSP should come back in that case, because he already has a built-in excuse.
 
Exactly

Current GSP would run the gauntlet in the post USADA era
or he would play it safe and not take a single protein shake in fear that he will get popped for something silly, only to come into the fight and get rick rolled.
 
I agree, but I still kind of want to see him fight one last time. I'm certain that if he and his coach believe he can come back, then he must be in good shape. Plus, let's not act like fighters haven't came back from worse injuries. The guy is like the same Age as Edgar, who is still tearing it up.

I'd like to see him at 155lbs, though, as I think he could make that cut easily if he wanted. Hell, khabib, ferguson, and a handfull of others are just as big, if not bigger than Georges. GSP vs. RDA would be good for everyone.

Welterweights of today are a lot bigger than this:




Here he is next to a current lightweight

 
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I agree, but I still kind of want to see him fight one last time. I'm certain that if he and his coach believe he can come back, then he must be in good shape. Plus, let's not act like fighters haven't came back from worse injuries. The guy is like the same Age as Edgar, who is still tearing it up.

I'd like to see him at 155lbs, though, as I think he could make that cut easily if he wanted. Hell, khabib, ferguson, and a handfull of others are just as big, if not bigger than Georges. GSP vs. RDA would be good for everyone.

Welterweights of today are a lot bigger than this:


Gsp is he same size as rashad he is 5'11" he could never make 155 Lbs lw walk aroune at 175 lbs gsp weights 190+
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Gsp won all 10 rounds against Carlos and Nick. He easily was ahead at least 48 minutes of the 50 minutes in the Octagon vs. those two.

Only one knee was operated on at that time, the knee that didn't receive ACL surgery was still fucked up and eventually required ACL surgery.

Nick crawled away from the ground fight 3 times and refused to engage in the stand-up portion of the fight because Georges repeatedly beat him to the punch and when he fought Condit, it was in a pool of Carlos' blood.

Within one year of returning from ACL surgery, GSP won as many UFC title fights as the following fighters won throughout their entire careers: Jens Pulver, Joanna Jedrzejcyzk, Brock Lesnar, Robbie Lawler, T.J. Dillashaw, Rich Franklin, Andrei Arlovski and Frankie Edgar *Source

Within one year of returning from ACL surgery, GSP had as many (or more) consecutive title defenses as the following fighters had throughout their entire careers: Robbie Lawler, Joanna Jedzejcyzk, Chris Weidman, T.J. Dillasahw, Cain Velasquez, Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Rich Franklin, Andre Arlovski, Jens Pulver, Baby Jay, Renan Barao, Ben Henderson, Frank Edgar and Chris Weidman



Enjoy my sig.

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