GSP post surgery and what so many overlook

[Meldawg]

or he would play it safe and not take a single protein shake in fear that he will get popped for something silly, only to come into the fight and get rick rolled.

We don't have that problem in Canada. Our supplements are tested before they hit the market. It isn't the Wild Wild West like it is in Murica.

 

[fortheo]

Gsp is he same size as rashad he is 5'11" he could never make 155 Lbs lw walk aroune at 175 lbs gsp weights 190+

GSP has slimmed down ever since the shield's fight because he said he didn't like carrying unnecessary mass. Here he is next to a current lightweight:



Olivier is 5'9, btw. Also, khabib walks around at about 185, and Ferguson walks around at around 190lbs. That's the size of big lightweights these days. The heaviest GSP has ever been for a Welterweight fight was like 190lbs against shields, and as I said before—he's since slimmed down. He could make Lightweight; he's said it many times.

 

[Quantum Jake]

Being as he is retired, I'd say his performance has severely declined.

On a serious note, his knee injuries and his obsession with putting on mass after the alves fight led to his decline.

Also having Firas make gsp obsess over highly detailed gameplans and making gsp pace himself led to much lower success at finishing fights.

He prided himself in being a humble strategist. That was his advantage over his competition

 

[MikeMcMann]

Gsp is he same size as rashad he is 5'11" he could never make 155 Lbs lw walk aroune at 175 lbs gsp weights 190+

Ya never.

What weight does Conor fight at, at his lowest?

and BJ

Ya I don't think any of the three of them should fight below LHW.

They are all huge.

And I've met GSP and if he is any taller than 5'10 then Carwin is truly 6'4" and does not cut height.

 

[bambammccoy]

Didnt he have another ACL tear after his retirement or whatever u want to call it?

Or was that in 2014

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

We don't have that problem in Canada. Our supplements are tested before they hit the market. It isn't the Wild Wild West like it is in Murica.

I will remember this when a Canadian inevitably gets busted and tries to blame contaminated supplements.

 

[SuperNerd]

I will remember this when a Canadian inevitably gets busted and tries to blame contaminated supplements.

Canadians don't cheat. We use breathing techniques.

 

[scorpipede]

I am arguably one of the biggest GSP fans this site has known only giving way to TonyCPA.

And I am going to give you my opinion as to why GSP should not return and why so many who think he will simply 50-45 everyone is wrong.

GSP's biggest strength during his prime run imo was his transitional game. HIs transitional game allowed him to keep top wrestlers of strikers off their game as GSP was able to dictate where the fight took place and keep them from their strengths.

If he fought a striker who wanted to plant his feet to try and knock him out GSP took advantage of that stance to score the easier td and if he fought a grappler he would force the stand up and kick box him and jab him to death. During that period GSP was one of the least hit fighters in the sport of MMA.

After his ACL surgeries in 2011 and 2014 all that changed. GSP lost his explosiveness and transitional game and guys like Condit and Diaz were able to force him to stand and engage in a striking match. He spent more time standing in those matches then in the most prior and he got hit more in those last fights then in maybe the 10 prior. If you look at history many would argue that Diaz and Condit were arguably his easiest opponents to td in a long time and yet they were forcing the stand up.

So when I see people predicting an easy GSP return and 50-45 against any opponent (Bisping, Lawler, etc) I question if they are considering the post-surgery GSP V the pre surgery GSP? I would say that both Lawler and Bisping end up being striking match due to both having great tdd. And like against Hendricks who also forced a striking match it would be very close and controversial in who wins. Both fights are winnable for GSP but would be nowhere near the walk in the park he had in his prime when both would have to respect the td threat so much more.

People need to recognize the post surgery GSP is not the pre surgery GSP. This GSP has to strike far more and takes far more damage.

that's a lotta words. we know he had surgeries. We want to see what he can do now.

 

[Meldawg]

I will remember this when a Canadian inevitably gets busted and tries to blame contaminated supplements.

He/she is likely full of shit.

You can always order them online from them States however. But I can't imagine a professional athlete shopping online for supplements. That just seems crazy.

 

[LukeSkyRutten]

If he comes back it will be at LW after the IV ban and probably against Conor.

 

[Deleted member 498977]

I agree, but I still kind of want to see him fight one last time. I'm certain that if he and his coach believe he can come back, then he must be in good shape. Plus, let's not act like fighters haven't came back from worse injuries. The guy is like the same Age as Edgar, who is still tearing it up.

I'd like to see him at 155lbs, though, as I think he could make that cut easily if he wanted. Hell, khabib, ferguson, and a handfull of others are just as big, if not bigger than Georges. GSP vs. RDA would be good for everyone.

Welterweights of today are a lot bigger than this:




Here he is next to a current lightweight

Cmon, man.
He's walking at 202, without belly and fat.
Cutting 47 pounds without IV is ridiculous.

Also, picture with LW is misleading, GSP definetely has bigger legs.

 

[Deleted member 498977]

I am arguably one of the biggest GSP fans this site has known only giving way to TonyCPA.

And I am going to give you my opinion as to why GSP should not return and why so many who think he will simply 50-45 everyone is wrong.

GSP's biggest strength during his prime run imo was his transitional game. HIs transitional game allowed him to keep top wrestlers of strikers off their game as GSP was able to dictate where the fight took place and keep them from their strengths.

If he fought a striker who wanted to plant his feet to try and knock him out GSP took advantage of that stance to score the easier td and if he fought a grappler he would force the stand up and kick box him and jab him to death. During that period GSP was one of the least hit fighters in the sport of MMA.

After his ACL surgeries in 2011 and 2014 all that changed. GSP lost his explosiveness and transitional game and guys like Condit and Diaz were able to force him to stand and engage in a striking match. He spent more time standing in those matches then in the most prior and he got hit more in those last fights then in maybe the 10 prior. If you look at history many would argue that Diaz and Condit were arguably his easiest opponents to td in a long time and yet they were forcing the stand up.

So when I see people predicting an easy GSP return and 50-45 against any opponent (Bisping, Lawler, etc) I question if they are considering the post-surgery GSP V the pre surgery GSP? I would say that both Lawler and Bisping end up being striking match due to both having great tdd. And like against Hendricks who also forced a striking match it would be very close and controversial in who wins. Both fights are winnable for GSP but would be nowhere near the walk in the park he had in his prime when both would have to respect the td threat so much more.

People need to recognize the post surgery GSP is not the pre surgery GSP. This GSP has to strike far more and takes far more damage.

Thanks, man, interesting stuff!

1- Don't you think layoff would benefit GSP in terms of healing up?

2- GSP reportedly walks at 202, probably added some mass, that would help his takedowns too.

3- With USADA kicking ass, it would favour GSP.

4- Lawler would be most diffiicult opponent. But while Lawler was taking huge damage in every fight,
GSP was recovering, adding mass and, probably, improving his skills.
Don't you think GSP could exploit Lawler's wear and tear?

 

[bobgeese]

I have to agree he was never the same after his surgery.

That being said, he was still kicking a@@. Just goes to show his greatness.

 

[fortheo]

Cmon, man.
He's walking at 202, without belly and fat.
Cutting 47 pounds without IV is ridiculous.

Also, picture with LW is misleading, GSP definetely has bigger legs.

Saying Georges weighs 202 without fat is the only misleading notion in this conversation.

 

[TheIrishPsycho]

GSP's biggest strength during his prime run imo was his transitional game.

Don't forget the grease, BJ fans never forget.

 

[ortizgnp]

GSP would literally crush Lawler - I don't know what some of you guys are smoking.

 

[Redhawks100]

I am arguably one of the biggest GSP fans this site has known only giving way to TonyCPA.

And I am going to give you my opinion as to why GSP should not return and why so many who think he will simply 50-45 everyone is wrong.

GSP's biggest strength during his prime run imo was his transitional game. HIs transitional game allowed him to keep top wrestlers of strikers off their game as GSP was able to dictate where the fight took place and keep them from their strengths.

If he fought a striker who wanted to plant his feet to try and knock him out GSP took advantage of that stance to score the easier td and if he fought a grappler he would force the stand up and kick box him and jab him to death. During that period GSP was one of the least hit fighters in the sport of MMA.

After his ACL surgeries in 2011 and 2014 all that changed. GSP lost his explosiveness and transitional game and guys like Condit and Diaz were able to force him to stand and engage in a striking match. He spent more time standing in those matches then in the most prior and he got hit more in those last fights then in maybe the 10 prior. If you look at history many would argue that Diaz and Condit were arguably his easiest opponents to td in a long time and yet they were forcing the stand up.

So when I see people predicting an easy GSP return and 50-45 against any opponent (Bisping, Lawler, etc) I question if they are considering the post-surgery GSP V the pre surgery GSP? I would say that both Lawler and Bisping end up being striking match due to both having great tdd. And like against Hendricks who also forced a striking match it would be very close and controversial in who wins. Both fights are winnable for GSP but would be nowhere near the walk in the park he had in his prime when both would have to respect the td threat so much more.

People need to recognize the post surgery GSP is not the pre surgery GSP. This GSP has to strike far more and takes far more damage.

Excuses

 

[Redhawks100]

GSP would literally crush Lawler - I don't know what some of you guys are smoking.

GSP doesn't crush people and he certainly wouldn't crush Lawler. I thought the Hendricks fight made you clowns realize he isn't fighting the Hardy, Fitch, and Alves' of the world anymore.

 

[Redhawks100]

Exactly

Current GSP would run the gauntlet in the post USADA era

GSP hasn't even fought in the USADA era and has opted to do gymnastics instead lol

 

[NightwingBJJ]

I don't want GSP back. Its over, let the new generation shine. Dude left damn near close to perfect compared to his peers who stay around too long. He should be an example for other fighters to know that you don't have to get your head knocked off for the 5th time before you call it quits.