GSP messed up

AnotherOldGuy said:
I agree that GSP's dishonesty is a mark against him. In fact I suspect its the one thing that future historians of the sport will hold against him. His greasing was the norm at the time (you can find clips of Anderson spreading grease across his body before the fight), his accepting the high pay/low risk fight against Bisping is a no-brainer (maybe Bill Gates would turn down an easy five or so million, but for most of us its a lottery ticket we would cash in without a second thought). But lying about his intention to continue fighting was dishonest and speaks to character.
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Only haters take that as a mark against him.

To insinuate that his colitis was all made up is asinine. Which is what is insinuated when people say he "lied" about planning to defend the title.
 
glavinator said:
Only haters take that as a mark against him.

To insinuate that his colitis was all made up is asinine. Which is what is insinuated when people say he "lied" about planning to defend the title.
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If he was going to stick to his word, he'd have offered to do the matches he promised after the colitis cleared up. The UFC may or may not have been willing to have those matches as title fights (ie with GSP as challenger rather than title holder), but the offer would have been the honorable thing to do.
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
If he was going to stick to his word, he'd have offered to do the matches he promised after the colitis cleared up. The UFC may or may not have been willing to have those matches as title fights (ie with GSP as challenger rather than title holder), but the offer would have been the honorable thing to do.
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He claimed the diet to get to 185 was what induced the colitis and he didn't want to continue dealing with that at that stage of his career
 
glavinator said:
He claimed the diet to get to 185 was what induced the colitis and he didn't want to continue dealing with that at that stage of his career
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Or he could have changed to a different diet, one that wouldn't induce colitis? There are a large number of diets used by high level athletes, most of which don't seem to induce colitis.

GSP is one of the four GOAT's in my books (along with Anderson, Jones and Fedor), and for the most part seems to be a very decent guy. And his taking a relatively easy fight against Bisping for a lot of money is a no-brainer -- which of use wouldn't have done the same if offered a chance to make millions? But his refusing to fight guys he promised to fight on accepting the fight (ie the other MW challengers), but looking for a fight with Khabib was simply dishonest.
 
The only reason Uncle Dana won't let GSP fight for the LW title, is he wants his boy Connie to be the first with three titles.
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
Or he could have changed to a different diet, one that wouldn't induce colitis? There are a large number of diets used by high level athletes, most of which don't seem to induce colitis.

GSP is one of the four GOAT's in my books (along with Anderson, Jones and Fedor), and for the most part seems to be a very decent guy. And his taking a relatively easy fight against Bisping for a lot of money is a no-brainer -- which of use wouldn't have done the same if offered a chance to make millions? But his refusing to fight guys he promised to fight on accepting the fight (ie the other MW challengers), but looking for a fight with Khabib was simply dishonest.
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Yeah but what he, and his doctors said, is that he simply couldn't continue to eat the amounts that were required for him to maintain the frame needed for MW.

Genetically, he's not a that big a guy, just ripped. I doubt he is much more than 170 right now, and if he didn't work so hard he would prob be closer to light weight.

So for whatever reason, be it age, pre existing stomach issues that were not aggravated yet, or some other physiological issue, he couldn't keep it up. Is there a chance he could have figured a way around it? Maybe, but as he said, at the age of 35 ish , he wasn't interested in fighting that health battle, before he could entertain getting in the cage again. Its just not a wise health decision at that age and increases the potential for many more problems. Had he been younger and not had a successful career yet, I imagine he would have been more eager to sort it out.

Or, like many believe, perhaps he jusy lied about it all, idk. I'll take him at his word though.

Also, agreed more or less on the goats.
 
Franklin U. said:
I have to pinch myself . Dude - you are outside your skin, bro. Henderson was 2-6 before beating 4-33(exaggerated- something else your simple brain does not get)welterweight Lombard and moves to #15 ( only for show....getting an undeserved title shot at 47 and look what he did to bisping ).
Several years prior , mousasi was a 5-1 favorite over the past it hendo BUT KNOCKED HIM OUT LIKE HE SHOULDVE .

You get it ? Bisping isnt even elite AND NEVER ....NEVER WAS. He was a solid UFC calibur middleweight. If he fought Andy when Silva was 32,33,34,35 or 36, Mike would be in a coma.

He had no excuses to not fight Gegard Mousasi on 2 different occasions. Mousasi is as clean as they come ( bisping always brings up the ped card ...as he should in SOME cases. Although he was accused of it himself at one time).
Why would he not take that fight ? We all know why. He cried peds on yoel- ok....and that's a maybe. Why am I doing this ?
This is futile .
You're an idiot and I dont " hate" bisping....although i dislike him a great deal but justified.

I actually like hearing him talk mma but that yellow glare from his backside kind of ruins it .
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Your a fucking hater
 
oldschoolmmafan said:
By fighting Bisping and basically fucking up the division he has lost the chance to fight arguably the greatest MMA fighter of all time. Had he waited a bit longer fought Khabib, won. He could have blamed the weight cut for his vacating the belt and later moved up to middleweight for the third belt. Dana might have understood this. Georges didn't think this through.
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glavinator said:
Yeah but what he, and his doctors said, is that he simply couldn't continue to eat the amounts that were required for him to maintain the frame needed for MW.

Genetically, he's not a that big a guy, just ripped. I doubt he is much more than 170 right now, and if he didn't work so hard he would prob be closer to light weight.

So for whatever reason, be it age, pre existing stomach issues that were not aggravated yet, or some other physiological issue, he couldn't keep it up. Is there a chance he could have figured a way around it? Maybe, but as he said, at the age of 35 ish , he wasn't interested in fighting that health battle, before he could entertain getting in the cage again. Its just not a wise health decision at that age and increases the potential for many more problems. Had he been younger and not had a successful career yet, I imagine he would have been more eager to sort it out.

Or, like many believe, perhaps he jusy lied about it all, idk. I'll take him at his word though.

Also, agreed more or less on the goats.
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I can believe that he couldn't continue to eat the amounts of some particular diet to maintain the weight he wanted. I find it hard to believe he couldn't find a different diet that would allow him to maintain the weight he wanted. Moreover, even his previous walk-around weight (anywhere from 185 to 190) from his WW days would allow him to fight at MW. Not optimally, but if you promise to defend as part of your condition, there are only a few excuses I'd think are valid for not doing so. One obvious one is that you're too sick to fight -- but he not only claims to be healthy enough to fight, but to fight a dominant champ in Khabib. That suggests he'd be healthy enough to say fight Whittaker, even if he came in a bit on the lighter side.

Its just very hard not to read it as him preferring to fight Khabib (a big money fight) to some lesser known MW. That's financially understandable, but goes against his word at the time of accepting the Bisping fight.
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
I can believe that he couldn't continue to eat the amounts of some particular diet to maintain the weight he wanted. I find it hard to believe he couldn't find a different diet that would allow him to maintain the weight he wanted. Moreover, even his previous walk-around weight (anywhere from 185 to 190) from his WW days would allow him to fight at MW. Not optimally, but if you promise to defend as part of your condition, there are only a few excuses I'd think are valid for not doing so. One obvious one is that you're too sick to fight -- but he not only claims to be healthy enough to fight, but to fight a dominant champ in Khabib. That suggests he'd be healthy enough to say fight Whittaker, even if he came in a bit on the lighter side.

Its just very hard not to read it as him preferring to fight Khabib (a big money fight) to some lesser known MW. That's financially understandable, but goes against his word at the time of accepting the Bisping fight.
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Oh yeah, he could have fought at MW at his walka round of 187 ish but he would have been absolutely dwarfed by the rest of the div. He'd likely be closest to Whittaker i guess , who id have given him more of a chance against than someone like yoel or rockhold or someone.

Giving up that size advantage, at that age, after two major knee surgeries when you're a wrestling heavy fighter would be suicide. I'm sure he understood that and I hold no ill will towards him for deciding not to. I do believe that had he been able to put the weight on and keep it on without the health issues he would have gone on to fight Whittaker; i know most wouldn't agree but you seem pretty reasonable.

Now as to whether he would prefer to fight khabib i do agree 100% that's the one he'd have preferred but it wasn't what was offered. I dont think he believed it would be offered at that point either so I don't feel like he planned to go up, grab the title, relinquish, then jump down right away for the khabib fight. He ain't dumb, he knew that walking away from MW would infuriate Dana and would likely take him out of the convo for LW.
 
i dont think gsp gives a fuck...

even retired in quebec hes making money for being the face of multiple companies

hes chilling , enjoying his life and his wealth.
 
Johnnny said:
I thought this thread was going to be about how he messed up in allowing himself to get caught by Serra and then tapping to strikes after 7 seconds.

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You neglected the part where they fight again and Serra loses, I believe...
If you're gonna tell a story, tell the whole fucking thing.
 
oldschoolmmafan said:
By fighting Bisping and basically fucking up the division he has lost the chance to fight arguably the greatest MMA fighter of all time. Had he waited a bit longer fought Khabib, won. He could have blamed the weight cut for his vacating the belt and later moved up to middleweight for the third belt. Dana might have understood this. Georges didn't think this through.
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GSP won the middleweight championship before Khabib won the LW title

GSP should’ve sat out and waited for a contender (Khabib) to win the lightweight title see how his legacy plays out......?
 
TheSpider said:
Robert Whittaker would have destroyed GSP had Georges not ducked
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Nobody destroys GSP. Sure you can catch him just like any other fighter, but he's one of the most talented fighters that have ever competed. Extremely well rounded with an excellent game plan every time he steps in the cage. He beat everyone he ever faced. How you can just casually throw out that he would be destroyed shows that you're delusional or uneducated.

Could he lose. Sure. Could he be KO'd quick... sure. Could he win, yes.
 
glavinator said:
Oh yeah, he could have fought at MW at his walka round of 187 ish but he would have been absolutely dwarfed by the rest of the div. He'd likely be closest to Whittaker i guess , who id have given him more of a chance against than someone like yoel or rockhold or someone.

Giving up that size advantage, at that age, after two major knee surgeries when you're a wrestling heavy fighter would be suicide. I'm sure he understood that and I hold no ill will towards him for deciding not to. I do believe that had he been able to put the weight on and keep it on without the health issues he would have gone on to fight Whittaker; i know most wouldn't agree but you seem pretty reasonable.

Now as to whether he would prefer to fight khabib i do agree 100% that's the one he'd have preferred but it wasn't what was offered. I dont think he believed it would be offered at that point either so I don't feel like he planned to go up, grab the title, relinquish, then jump down right away for the khabib fight. He ain't dumb, he knew that walking away from MW would infuriate Dana and would likely take him out of the convo for LW.
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Fair enough. For my part, I had no problems with his retiring due to health reasons without defending his MW title -- that seemed plausible. However when he started talking about a possible fight with Khabib after giving up his MW title I changed my mind on that score (he's still a GOAT and a generally decent guy in my books, but I think he was less than honest about defending MW). Colitis that is so specific it can tell the difference between a walk around weight of say 192 pounds vs say 187 pounds just doesn't seem likely (full disclosure, I'm not a doctor, but even a few minutes Googling makes it seem unlikely).
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
Fair enough. For my part, I had no problems with his retiring due to health reasons without defending his MW title -- that seemed plausible. However when he started talking about a possible fight with Khabib after giving up his MW title I changed my mind on that score (he's still a GOAT and a generally decent guy in my books, but I think he was less than honest about defending MW). Colitis that is so specific it can tell the difference between a walk around weight of say 192 pounds vs say 187 pounds just doesn't seem likely (full disclosure, I'm not a doctor, but even a few minutes Googling makes it seem unlikely).
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Yeah I think he was trying to be north of 200 though. At one point he was saying he needed to add something like 15 pounds lean mass at least to feel he could be comfortable at mw. He always said once he went up he was never going back down because he didn't like messing with his body that much so it always sounded like he planned to cut down like everyone else
 
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