GSP beat more MMA champions than Jon Jones

[PaulieVegas27]

I wonder how those stats would look if Jon Jones didn't miss so much time with suspensions and injury.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

And without cherry picking nor ducking

Without cherry picking or ducking?

hahahahaha

 

[BlackStrap]

It's time to discuss... the myth of Jon Jones being the GOAT due to all the champions he has beaten. When in fact, GSP has beaten an equal amount of UFC champs, and more combined MMA champs in major promotions (UFC, WEC, Strikeforce, Bellator, One FC). Not just that, but it was only in his last fight against a washed up Stipe that Jones tied GSP for wins against UFC champions. Let's take a look...

UFC Champions Beaten​

GSP	Jon Jones
Sean Sherk	Shogun Rua
BJ Penn	Quinton Jackson
Matt Hughes	Lyoto Machida
Matt Hughes	Rashad Evans
Matt Serra	Vitor Belfort
BJ Penn	Glover Texeira
Johny Hendricks	Daniel Cormier
Michael Bisping	Stipe Miocic

Other MMA Champions Beaten (+ Interims)​

GSP	Jon Jones
Karo Perisyan (WEC)	Brandon Vera (One FC)
Jon Fitch (PFL)	Ryan Bader (Bellator)
Jake Shields (Strikeforce)	Ciryl Gane (UFC Interim)
Carlos Condit (UFC Interim + WEC)
Nick Diaz (WEC + Strikeforce)

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I think GSP is Goat due to the overall package. Being a good role model and not being caught for PEDs. I think if you look at the resume it is more of a 50/50, and if not it is clearly Jones. Jones' list is crazy. GSP is clearly stronger in the "other" mma champions category, but for me Jones decimates GSP in the UFC champion category.

 

[IronGolem007]

Why would he not count? he won his title via finish from a lineal champion.

I agree: "The Count' counts

 

[cburm]

It's time to discuss... the myth of Jon Jones being the GOAT due to all the champions he has beaten. When in fact, GSP has beaten an equal amount of UFC champs, and more combined MMA champs in major promotions (UFC, WEC, Strikeforce, Bellator, One FC). Not just that, but it was only in his last fight against a washed up Stipe that Jones tied GSP for wins against UFC champions. Let's take a look...

UFC Champions Beaten​

GSP	Jon Jones
Sean Sherk	Shogun Rua
BJ Penn	Quinton Jackson
Matt Hughes	Lyoto Machida
Matt Hughes	Rashad Evans
Matt Serra	Vitor Belfort
BJ Penn	Glover Texeira
Johny Hendricks	Daniel Cormier
Michael Bisping	Stipe Miocic

Other MMA Champions Beaten (+ Interims)​

GSP	Jon Jones
Karo Perisyan (WEC)	Brandon Vera (One FC)
Jon Fitch (PFL)	Ryan Bader (Bellator)
Jake Shields (Strikeforce)	Ciryl Gane (UFC Interim)
Carlos Condit (UFC Interim + WEC)
Nick Diaz (WEC + Strikeforce)

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Jon's never lost..
Gsp has losses and most of his wins are decisions..

And Jon has a lot more championship fights .. and didn't retire out of fear..

 

[UnitZero]

You put Matt Hughes but done put Cormier twice?

Jones doesn’t have two wins against Cormier. He had a win and a no contest due to being a pathetic steroid junkies lol. He also has a canceled fight against Cormier due to being a pathetic steroid junkie.

 

[Bones The Goat]

I think GSP is Goat due to the overall package. Being a good role model and not being caught for PEDs. I think if you look at the resume it is more of a 50/50, and if not it is clearly Jones. Jones' list is crazy. GSP is clearly stronger in the "other" mma champions category, but for me Jones decimates GSP in the UFC champion category.

It's a possibility that Gus, Santos, and OSP win belts in the GFL this year, that'll boost Jones resume again I'm also watching Reyes, he has the most potential to win a ufc belt outta all the guys Jones beaten that haven't won a belt yet

 

[-Sideways-]

lol at listing bisping

But Jones gets a pass with Miocic?

 

[Dana's Moonface]

How did serra become UFC champion in the first place? Lol

How many ufc champs has jones lost to?
How many title defences does each guy have?
Longest winning streak?
Youngest champion
Still champion
Etc
Etc

 

[ultra321]

Khabib GOAT... Never Lost, Never Busted, more 10-8 rounds than both these palooka's...
No lay-&-pray. No king of eye pokes and other sleeziness...

 

[BJJ4Tone]

Why would he not count? he won his title via finish from a lineal champion.

Yeah, I was gonna ask that too...
Not only was he a champ, but he was a champ at a higher weight class. Something Jones never did. Jones won a vacant title.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Damn Anderson slipped my mind. Those are the Top 6 for sure. Then you get into Poatan, Izzy, Volk, Khabib territory.

Honestly, Izzy, volk, Anderson, stipe, DC, Holloway, Hughes, all come before khabib in my eyes

 

[Dana's Moonface]

The only reason you guys have GSP higher is because you like him more

Also as far as PEDs go, GSP was hardly ever tested properly, as his career was pre USADA

Yeah he alleges he wanted more testing and was a clean athlete, but Mike O'Hearn also claims natty, so people will say anything they want

There is no proof GSP cheated, but there is no proof that monsters like Eddie Hall use PEDs, because he never was tested

So for all you naive folk that believe him, I can take you to see Santa clause for fifty bucks and the tooth fairy for 50

Hey why not do a special, send me 80 bucks and I'll take you to see both

 

[ferrisjso]

You're getting all creative turning the Serra loss into a positive because it made him a champion GSP would get credit for beating.

 

[Bones The Goat]

Crazy thing is, Jones has the potential to add more champs to his resume by the end of December

 

[Ginja_Ninja]

The only reason you guys have GSP higher is because you like him more

Also as far as PEDs go, GSP was hardly ever tested properly, as his career was pre USADA

Yeah he alleges he wanted more testing and was a clean athlete, but Mike O'Hearn also claims natty, so people will say anything they want

There is no proof GSP cheated, but there is no proof that monsters like Eddie Hall use PEDs, because he never was tested

So for all you naive folk that believe him, I can take you to see Santa clause for fifty bucks and the tooth fairy for 50

Hey why not do a special, send me 80 bucks and I'll take you to see both

Yeah and in the 90's every baseball player was on roids but its Barry Bonds who will never be in the Hall of Fame

Your assumption the GSP took PEDs is not the same as the fact that Jones had his title stripped twice for cheating and lost another non-title fight for cheating as well.

 

[BowserJr]

Without cherry picking or ducking?

hahahahaha

He faced absolutely everyone at WW. Then retired and only came back for 1 legacy fight. Not to reign over MW as an undersized fighter

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[BowserJr]

Both situations are exactly the same and there is no way to dispute it in good faith.

Both made decisions that made the most business sense during the twilight of their careers.

At the time, Woodley was in his prime and was the tougher fight stylistically. Bisping was a year older than GSP and just came off a narrow split decision over a 42 year old hendo in his retirement fight.

He took the bisping fight. It was an easier fight, more aged opponent, more money at stake, second belt on the line.

Ultimately, he made the smart move which made the most business and legacy sense, not unlike what Jones is doing(assuming he doesn't fight aspinall)

He was supposed to fight the winner of Whittaker Romero, then mysteriously became Ill and retired, never to be seen again.

The two situations mentalities are exactly the same, the only difference is you're biased towards one and hate another.

All fighters in the twilight of their career make decisions that make the most business sense. All of them. It isn't something unique to GSP or Jones, you can find examples even going back to the early days of boxing.

Only thing I'd add is that Stipe was already signed before aspinall came into the title picture. They both already trained for a full camp before Jones got injured, already promoted it, ufc already invested time, money and energy into selling it. They were never not going to do that fight, regardless of who came Into the picture.

So, Jones hasn't officially ducked anyone yet. There was never an offer to fight aspinall

If he decides to retire now, then people can say he's ducking, but he just fought and we really don't know how it's gonna play out yet.

Keep living in denial Jon. Only casual fans who watch UFC highlights only believe you're not pricing yourself out again.

You ducked Ngannou and you're doing the exact same thing exact same tactic for Tom.

Your even willing to vacate the title just like GDR. You're egregiously ducking exactly like GDR.

 

[JBJ was here]

How did serra become UFC champion in the first place? Lol

How many ufc champs has jones lost to?
How many title defences does each guy have?
Longest winning streak?
Youngest champion
Still champion
Etc
Etc

Youngest champion and top 10 oldest champion, with a chance to move up to as high as fourth oldest If he defends the title a couple more times and outlasts Poatan as a champion (Couture and Glover are out of reach and Cormier is very unlikely).

 

[Ares Black]

And Jon has a lot more championship fights .. and didn't retire out of fear..

Imagine unironically posting this and expecting people to take you seriously ever again