GSP beat more MMA champions than Jon Jones

[Domitian]

With a total of 1 USADA test between the two them. STRIKEFORCE and BELLATOR testing is laughable. It’s not only predictable but it’s a lottery “you will get tested post fight and you have a 1/4 chance of even being tested at all”.

Not that I care either way, Jon was popped and they weren’t…… but I think Jon is considered natty if he only had 1 fight with stringent and out of competition testing or had the same “testing path” they had.

Remember when Overeem was in STRIKEFORCE and the same guy passing his piss tests was the same guy writing his steroids scripts.

I always loved Fedors M-1 steroid clause.

For Fedor, Steroids were encouraged in PRIDE. Now, they could acknowledge this and argue it was all a level playing field, which is fine.

For GSP, use your eyes. Use your brain. Use some common sense. Look at his physique. During his career passing a drug test was basically like passing an IQ test. GSP is a smart guy who's also extremely knowledgeable about PED's...I wonder why a guy who's never used them knows so much about them.

 

[BowserJr]

It's time to discuss... the myth of Jon Jones being the GOAT due to all the champions he has beaten. When in fact, GSP has beaten an equal amount of UFC champs, and more combined MMA champs in major promotions (UFC, WEC, Strikeforce, Bellator, One FC). Not just that, but it was only in his last fight against a washed up Stipe that Jones tied GSP for wins against UFC champions. Let's take a look...

UFC Champions Beaten​

GSP	Jon Jones
Sean Sherk	Shogun Rua
BJ Penn	Quinton Jackson
Matt Hughes	Lyoto Machida
Matt Hughes	Rashad Evans
Matt Serra	Vitor Belfort
BJ Penn	Glover Texeira
Johny Hendricks	Daniel Cormier
Michael Bisping	Stipe Miocic

Other MMA Champions Beaten (+ Interims)​

GSP	Jon Jones
Karo Perisyan (WEC)	Brandon Vera (One FC)
Jon Fitch (PFL)	Ryan Bader (Bellator)
Jake Shields (Strikeforce)	Ciryl Gane (UFC Interim)
Carlos Condit (UFC Interim + WEC)
Nick Diaz (WEC + Strikeforce)

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Fedor has 14 wins over champs too

Mir (UFC)
Rampage (UFC)
AA (UFC)
Tim (UFC)
Nog (UFC, Pride, Rings)
CC (Pride)
Rizzo (Vale Tudo,
Nog (UFC, Pride)
Coleman (UFC, Pride, Rings)
Schilt (K1)
Hunt (K1)
Coleman (UFC, Pride, Rings)
Lindland (IFC)
Randleman (UFC)

 

[TR1]

For Fedor, Steroids were encouraged in PRIDE. Now, they could acknowledge this and argue it was all a level playing field, which is fine.

For GSP, use your eyes. Use your brain. Use some common sense. During his career passing a drug test was basically like passing an IQ test. GSP is a smart guy who's also extremely knowledgeable about PED's...I wonder why a guy who's never used them knows so much about them.

As Jones and Brock show, steroids are very much encouraged in the UFC as well lol.

Won't even talk about pre-USADA UFC, which in reality was 99% as steroid ridden as PRIDE.

 

[Fight Professor]

Parker Porter is a former HW Reality Fighting champ. And yes, Jones had fought him.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

GSP is the best to ever do it. Jones is 2nd, that's pretty good.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

If anyone tells me Jones or GSP is their GOAT I'd never argue that's for sure.

 

[sabretitan]

You put Matt Hughes but done put Cormier twice

as a gsp fan , this means shit all. Jon beat guys that would have been Champs if not for him. Ts is definitely looking for something that just isn't there

 

[Domitian]

As Jones and Brock show, steroids are very much encouraged in the UFC as well lol.

Won't even talk about pre-USADA UFC, which in reality was 99% as steroid ridden as PRIDE.

We should compile a list of all the juicers GSP, Jones, and Fedor beat. Is it realistic a clean natty fighter would beat so many juiced fighters and reign at the top for a long time? Yeah that doesn't sound right.

 

[loisestrad]

Not just that, but it was only in his last fight against a washed up Stipe that Jones tied GSP for wins against UFC champions.

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Lol @ saying that and not saying shit about GSP's last fight being half blind cherry picked Bisping (and one of the other wins listed being Matt Serra...)

 

[Superzorro]

I’ve barely heard anyone say that Jones beat more champions or that he’s even greater than GSP.
It’s the most common take. 90% of MMA fans think GSP is greater than Jones.

 

[Domitian]

I’ve barely heard anyone say that Jones beat more champions or that he’s even greater than GSP.
It’s the most common take. 90% of MMA fans think GSP is greater than Jones.

The view is skewed because Jones is very dislikable and GSP is extremely likeable. It's just human nature to be biased. Anyone objectively looking knows 17-0 in title fights and double weight champion without ever being defeated in combat is the GOAT.

 

[loisestrad]

90% of MMA fans think GSP is greater than Jones.

Keep telling yourself that.

Media - Who is the Greatest MMA fighter of all-time?

I don't know what happened to the sticky All Time GOAT Poll, so I thought lets do a fresh one and see what the numbers will be like now. Jose Aldo Fedor Emelianenko Demetrious Johnson George St-Pierre Khabib Nurmagomedov Jon Jones Anderson Silva Dominick Cruz

forums.sherdog.com

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Fedor has 14 wins over champs too

Mir (UFC)
Rampage (UFC)
AA (UFC)
Tim (UFC)
Nog (UFC, Pride, Rings)
CC (Pride)
Rizzo (Vale Tudo,
Nog (UFC, Pride)
Coleman (UFC, Pride, Rings)
Schilt (K1)
Hunt (K1)
Coleman (UFC, Pride, Rings)
Lindland (IFC)
Randleman (UFC)

K1 isn't MMA....

 

[RockyLockridge]

Bisping hardly counts, 1 eyed and nearly lost to 46 year old henderson in the fight prior, everyone would beat bisping in the MW top 10 at that point. Matt Serra is also one of the worst champs of all time, comparatively, Jones has a better resume

He's a lineal champion who won his title via KO there's zero good reason why he should "hardly" count. If anything it's DC who shouldn't count, at all.

 

[Bones The Goat]

Bruh Jones beat 16 mma champions

Carlos Eduardo (Shooto Champion)
Brandon Vera (One Champion)
Vladimir Matyushenko (IFL Champion)
Ryan Bader (Bellator Double Champion)
Mauricio Rua (UFC and Pride Champion)
Rampage Jackson (UFC/Pride Champion)
Lyoto Machida (UFC Champion)
Rashad Evans (UFC Champion)
Vitor Belfort (UFC Champion)
Chael Sonnen (WEC Champion)
Glover Texiaira (UFC Champion)
Daniel Cormier (UFC Double Champ/Strikeforce Champ)
Dan Henderson (Pride Double Champ/Strikeforce Champion)
Anthony Smith (CFFC Champion)
Ciryl Gane (UFC Interim Champ)
Stipe Miocic (2x UFC Heavyweight Champ)

And the thing about it is, Reyes, Gus, Santos, and Maybe OSP even have shots to win belts before they officially retire lol......

Not to mention Jones will possibly add Tom Aspinall and Alex Pereira by the end of the year which will be 11 UFC Champions beaten the most in history, f outta here with this GSP shit df

 

[RockyLockridge]

If anyone tells me Jones or GSP is their GOAT I'd never argue that's for sure.

Jones gsp fedor and mighty mouse are all valid picks that are hard to argue against imo

 

[AstralPanda]

And without cherry picking nor ducking

GSP ducked prime Woodley to fight an aged bisping who was thought to be a weaker fight for a bigger payday at the time.

Then he avoided Whittaker and retired.

Essentially, he made a smart business play for that stage of his career, during his final fight.

During both of their careers, they fought everyone. Only at the very end of their careers did we see some business minded decisions, as we do for the vast majority of fighters in the twilight of their career who are trying to make as much money as possible before they sail off into the sunset.

Both situations are virtually identical, currently.

Although, there's a good chance Jones fights aspinall too.

 

[Domitian]

Jones gsp fedor and mighty mouse are all valid picks that are hard to argue against imo

Basically the Mount Rushmore right now. Aldo could have been there, he's slightly on the outside of it.

 

[Mind Mine]

Post some highlights

 

[NoSmilez]

LoL at counting Hughes twice.