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Did you? doesn't seem like it.
I did. 29-27 fitch. Second round is a swing round and he did more that round as Penn gassed.
Well, ya didnt watch it with the required attention, Im afraid.I did. 29-27 fitch. Second round is a swing round and he did more that round as Penn gassed.
Part of your point. Obviously not the Woodley comparisonNot good but my point remains
Ok ill go on record saying post woodley loss beats pre fitch mcdonald, easily.Part of your point. Obviously not the Woodley comparison
1st Round: Agreed, 10-9 Penn, very good gameplan to take care of Fitch's never-great defensive wrestling, even if he didn't have the cardio to sustain the gameplan.Well, ya didnt watch it with the required attention, Im afraid.
1st Rd: a clear BJ Rd, he [a LW (!)] took Fitch [a legit WW wrassler] down, and even got...his back, threatening with RNC, and he got reversed coz...well...a LW is not supposed to get the body lock against a WW... but Fitch did nuthin´in that Rd.
2nd Rd: toughest Rd to score, but... again... BJ took Fitch down, again got the body lock, again threatened with RNC...and again got reversed for the same reason... But BJ quickly got up, and Fitch spent most of the Rd doin´nuthin, only 'Fitchin´', ie... fencin´...
Conclusion: realistically a BJ Rd, but not much to score tbh
Now, IIRC, BJ opened a cut in Fitch´s head, would have to double check if it was in Rd 1 or 2.
3rd Rd: complete domination by Fitch who took BJ down, BJ could neither mount any offense off his back nor get back to his feet. Fitch clearly mauled him, but I wouldnt call it a 'vicious' GNP.
Reminder: 10-8s back then were like 'unicorns'.
Consequently, even if ya get 'creative' and give Fitch a 10-8 for the last Rd, ya hardly get a ...hobbery.
Hmmm..nah...1st Round: Agreed, 10-9 Penn, very good gameplan to take care of Fitch's never-great defensive wrestling, even if he didn't have the cardio to sustain the gameplan.
2nd Round: Fitch controls the first 2:30 of the round and has the more effective striking and grappling, even accounting for the elbow that drew blood. Penn gets back control for about 30 seconds but doesn't attempt the RNC as Fitch has hand control. Fitch finishes the last minute and 15 chipping away on top, Penn gets up spent from the control Fitch imposed that round. So pretty clear round for Fitch on rewatch.
3rd Round: Fitch 10-8, even under the old scoring. No other score is reasonable here as the strike differential was over a 100 shots to 3. I don't care if those 100 shots were slaps or jabs, that differential alone justifies a 10-8 before you even consider that Fitch had top control for nearly the entire round if I remember.
Finally, the fact that some of Penn's cornermen celebrate after Buffer announces a draw should probably tell you whether or not Penn's own corner of yes men thought he did enough to win or draw. I'll also point out that the media decisions were in favor of a Fitch win too.
I kinda felt Rory was better against some common GSP opponents, but GSP clearly did much better against Fitch than Rory.
1. Penn took the fight because he didn't want to fight contenders at LW after getting dominated in the Frankie rematch. The UFC gave Penn this fight because they screwed Fitch out of a title shot and needed to keep him busy/knock him off. I'd say Fitch deserves more respect in this situation, but that's more of a personal preference as, while I respect Penn for sort of trying to move up in weight, he didn't commit. For all the criticisms of Fitch, something no one can make is that he didn't try his hardest to win fights despite being a poor athlete and not very skilled. I can't say the same about Penn at all.Hmmm..nah...
1st of all, they were right to celebrate, mainly for 2 reasons:
1> heck... that was an elite legit WW vs a LW.
In the modern era, a fight @ OW where the undersized fighter would be competitive is an anomaly.
2> UFC´s scoring ideology can/could be tricky: fencin´/L&Pin have always tended to be more rewarded,
so inflictin´more damage or havin´more sub attempts didnt automatically grant ya the nod like in Pride, for instance.
Most of all, the 2nd Rd is by no means a clear Fitch Rd, he did absolutely nuthin´except fencin´, and the real damage inflicted was BJ´s. Then BJ even gets his back for the 2nd time. BJ got then reversed for the reason I explained.
Consequently, even if ya give Rd 3 a 10-8, which is not a lock since they were pretty rare back in the day, this means that the final result, a draw, was a realistic outcome.
Remember: your initial stance was that it was a hobbery. That´s what we´re debattin´here (ya´re entitled to believe that Fitch desserved the victory, no probz...but that´s a different qualitative narrative)..
The fact that Rd 2 was pretty tough 2 score, and that Rd 3 was or wasnt a 10-8, disqualifies this assessment.
ahhh...now ya´re talkin´...2. I'll admit robbery is strong, but still think Fitch got jobbed. I think scoring round 2 for Penn is overvaluing blood, which
Fitch was a beast back then. Rory is not the same fighter he was 4 or 5 years ago. I think that 2nd Lawlor fight really marked the end of his prime.
Thundersuck, Thundersuck, are we gonna pretend that ya´re qualified to assess fights now?
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shut up, read the thread & educate your bum ass.You're telling me that round 3 wasn't a 10-8 for Fitch? I can assess fights way better than you're biased ass.
No version of Woodley bears Rory easily.Ok ill go on record saying post woodley loss beats pre fitch mcdonald, easily.