Greg Jackson and his "own" Jiu Jitsu?

I don't think it's just his grappling, I think it's his whole MMA style. People misunderstand the origin of the term jujitsu.

I don't think Greg Jackson personally taught grappling to all his students. I find it retarded about how people managed to pull a style debate out of this.
 
Diego's high school wrestling was nothing impressive and he was doing very well in the grappling scene before the move to Saulo.

Nice try.:icon_conf

Diego was an AWESOME grappler even before going to the Ribeiros.

Oddly enough though, his game was like a standard competition style BJJ game. Takedown, pass, mount, punch, submit. There was nothing distinctive about his grappling style.

Again, I really don't think Greg Jackson invented a grappling style or taught all his students to grapple. I'm sure he had coaches in grappling disciplines teaching his guys. Coaches with more credentials than "coming from a wrestling family". People hear the suffix "jitsu" and automatically ask how it's different from BJJ. Jitsu means style or art. It doesn't necessarily connote grappling. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is not the origin of the term Jujitsu either (notice the different spelling). It's analogous to any of the "jitsu's" out there. You can tack on that style to any prefix and make a valid name for whatever you want. I think that whatever Gaidojitsu is, is what Greg Jackson has branded the style of MMA he teaches, but there's no reason to assume that it's confined to grappling, and even less reason to assume that a man with no grappling credentials to speak of in any style was able to teach grappling at an appreciably high level.

He's an excellent trainer, tactician, and coach. Beyond that, let's not kid ourselves.

And before anyone jumps in I'm not asserting that all his guys were just learning BJJ from somebody. Although I think their grappling styles show that's definitely one of the grappling arts they were training.

I'd also like to point out that very few of Jackson's current fighters started under him. The only homegrown guys I can remember are Diego, Jardine, and Villasenor. Everyone else came after they were already established.
 
As a guy who has trained with and competed against many Jackson's fighter I can offer a little info. Greg isn't the grappling coach. For years a police officer named Chris Lattrel ( not sure of the spelling was the main grappling coach. Currently BJJ blackbelt Diego Brandao is the main grappling coach I believe.

As far as the gym philosophy the guys I've competed always fight hard for the takedown They tend to use alot lot of footlocks and create scrambles instead of the more traditional controlled guard passes

As far as Greg Jackson himself I think his greatest talent is networking. He's a good guy and earns the trust of talented people. He's created a great team atmosphere at his gym and gets great guys to train together and share technique
 
Originally, Gaidojutsu is judo locks with wrestling. He made it more complete by adding kickboxing, bjj etc later on after seeing ufc.

so it's not just a grappling style, it's a fighting style.

makes sense.

he sure as hell knows how to produce good fighters, so who's to question it.
 
I'd also like to point out that very few of Jackson's current fighters started under him. The only homegrown guys I can remember are Diego, Jardine, and Villasenor. Everyone else came after they were already established.

What about Damacio Page? Wasn't he home grown?
 
Diego left because GSP came in to Jackson's at the same weight, and he was being pressured to fight at 155 and didn't want to.
 
Yeah gaidojitsu is a complete art created by greg that incorporates jiu jitsu, wrestling, kickboxing, muay thai and anything else that works.

He always tells us if it works we keep it. He uses BJJ style belt system. White, blue, purple, brown, black. Getting new belts is based on on curriculum as well as performance in grappling tournaments and smokers.

In general he wants you to be a purple belt under his system before you have any MMA fights.
 
As a guy who has trained with and competed against many Jackson's fighter I can offer a little info. Greg isn't the grappling coach. For years a police officer named Chris Lattrel ( not sure of the spelling was the main grappling coach. Currently BJJ blackbelt Diego Brandao is the main grappling coach I believe.

Didn't know that. I think Diego got his BB this year.
 
The fact that Diego Sanchez put on a white belt when he started training with Saulo Ribeiro tells the whole story.

Let me preface this by saying that I'll keep my BJJ over Gaidojitso anyday, BUT

I mean, you put on a whitebelt if you're a NCAA Division I Wrestling Champion, or a an Olympic level Judoka, too, but I don't think that says anything negative about those two arts.

edit: occurred to me that you're not saying anything negative, but rather, commenting on it's difference from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which makes sense.
 
Let me preface this by saying that I'll keep my BJJ over Gaidojitso anyday

In a bjj match, because I'm sure your gym produces better grapplers (do they?).

In a fight, gaidojitsu all the way. There's probably not a guy in his gym who's ass you could kick. I might be wrong, that's just my guess anyway. It's not a knock on you, but rather a generalization based on the quality of fighters his gym produces.
 
I think the only thing that can really separate one style from another these days is emphasis. Guys who are clinch specialists or ground specialists or further specialization like leglocks. Something to set you apart.

I've seen Greg Jackson's "Ground game" book and I can say there is absolutely nothing special or unique about what he does. Unless he employs all his moves with some unique strategy that is not apparent from seeing the techniques in isolation...like I dunno, every technique is initiated from turtle guard, lol....there is no reason to call it his own style. There is really no reason other than to toot his horn.

I mean, you have to set your self apart to have a style...at least a little bit. Kano took the grab bag of jiu-jitsu techniques and came up with a system. He turned a bag of tricks into a fighting style. Pretty original.

Helio so mastered the newaza aspect of judo to the point that his family became some of the most renowned groundfighters in the world.

Jackson's contribution to martial arts is strategy...his own style of grappling, I think not.

Absolutely. Jackson's strength is not getting out there and inventing or teaching moves. He's the general. He makes the machine run, and supervises, puts the right people together, etc. He's not tactics, he's strategy.
 
In a bjj match, because I'm sure your gym produces better grapplers (do they?).

In a fight, gaidojitsu all the way. There's probably not a guy in his gym who's ass you could kick. I might be wrong, that's just my guess anyway. It's not a knock on you, but rather a generalization based on the quality of fighters his gym produces.

Oh dude, in NO way whatsoever could I even last one round against a single fighter from Greg Jackson's camp-- I certainly did not intend to mean that, or mean that.

What I meant, is yes, for grappling specifically, I'd pick blackbelt level aptitude in BJJ over whatever is determined as blackbelt-level aptitude in Gaidojitsu.

Does Gaidojitsu teach strikes, or just strike defense? Like, do you punch people from half-guard in Gaidojitsu?

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Ah, I see it does.

My reason in writing that "I'd pick BJJ over Gaidojitsu" was to preface my later comment by displaying that I am not biased towards Gaidojitsu, but, if anything, towards Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

edit: really, not even a round hahahaha
 
does he even use that name anymore? Think he just uses Jackson's mma now
 
He could call it grappling....

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Kind of agree with that. So far it doesn't look like he's added enough to make it a distinct style. What Kano, Helio and Spiridonov/Oshchepkov did was pretty distinct, its fairly clear when someone is doing judo, BJJ or sambo. Not sure that what Jackson does is distinct from general submission grappling.

It's why Satiev still calls what he does freestyle wrestling (in Russian of course :icon_chee), and Angelo Dundee called what he coached boxing, rather than making up their own 'style' names.

Jackson is a very good coach judging by the successful fighters who go to him (I doubt there's any MMA coach in the world who would turn down the chance to train GSP or Evans), but that doesn't mean its a new style, any more than what Dundee taught was a new style.
 
What about Damacio Page? Wasn't he home grown?

Yeah, and come to think of it I think Cowboy Cerrone might have been from him as well. And he has a really dynamic submission game, particularly off his back.

My general point is that the big names associated with his team (GSP, Rashad, Marquardt, Carwin, Florian, Condit, Bones Jones, Joe Daddy) mostly came to him after they were already established, or at least on the rise with a few UFC wins. Even Jones didn't come there until he had dazzled fans in his first few UFC fights, and Rashad didn't make the move until well after he won TUF.

I'm not saying he didn't take some of these guys to the next level or keep them on top. He definitely did (or I should say he and his team did). But my point is that it's more of a super-camp, where top level pros go for top level coaching and training partners, rather than a talent factory that churns out top notch homegrown fighter like, say, Nova Uniao.
 
No reason to call it grappling, because it isn't just grappling. It's also striking on the ground ans well as stand up striking, throws and takedowns.

We do pretty well at grappling tournaments at Jacksons, but our style is very much mma oriented.
 
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