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Greatest boxer ever?

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Really though my opinion on this subject is a common one.

Based on how he did vs top tier competition durring the golden era of boxing, Id say its Ali at number 1.

Heres something wierd about my pick though, I think Tyson would have KOed Ali.
Ali said in an interview on Arsineo Hall, when asked who he thought would win between the two, that Tyson scared him, and "Im quick, but one punch from this guy and Im(then acted like he was asleep)".

Argue all you want, he would have lost the same way everyone else did in the 80's.

By being scared stiff of Tysons Punching power.

Now, if a much younger Ali disagreed, and was able to use his rediculously good footwork against Tysons flat-footed, str8 forward style. He would win in the 6th by KO

IMO

Lets see if that gets some life back in here.
 
I'm suprised this thread is still around.Who cares anyway it's just a thread for grown men with imaginary wives to proclaim their superiority

everytime you see a thread like this sam "fucking" langford is always mentioned and that he would have destroyed all heavyweights other than joe louis

boxing has the most whiniest competitors aswell as the most whiniest fans

if boxing is dying then I hope to be there at the funeral
 
MMAGuruLV said:
Really though my opinion on this subject is a common one.

Based on how he did vs top tier competition durring the golden era of boxing, Id say its Ali at number 1.

Heres something wierd about my pick though, I think Tyson would have KOed Ali.
Ali said in an interview on Arsineo Hall, when asked who he thought would win between the two, that Tyson scared him, and "Im quick, but one punch from this guy and Im(then acted like he was asleep)".

Argue all you want, he would have lost the same way everyone else did in the 80's.

By being scared stiff of Tysons Punching power.

Now, if a much younger Ali disagreed, and was able to use his rediculously good footwork against Tysons flat-footed, str8 forward style. He would win in the 6th by KO

IMO

Lets see if that gets some life back in here.
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How Ali acted on the Arsineo show can not be taken seriously. What Tyson said can be. Tyson fought harder hitters than tyson (shavers, foreman, liston) and fighters with a comprable punch (frazier, lyle) and his chin was never found lacking(I think how hurt he was against cooper is over estimated). Ali had everything that gave tyson trouble. Someone he couldn't knock out, height, jab, speed, MENTAL superiority and ring savy. Tyson has very little chance in this fight. I think it is one of his two worst matchups in history, Foreman being the other.
 
boje. said:
How Ali acted on the Arsineo show can not be taken seriously. What Tyson said can be. Tyson fought harder hitters than tyson (shavers, foreman, liston) and fighters with a comprable punch (frazier, lyle) and his chin was never found lacking(I think how hurt he was against cooper is over estimated). Ali had everything that gave tyson trouble. Someone he couldn't knock out, height, jab, speed, MENTAL superiority and ring savy. Tyson has very little chance in this fight. I think it is one of his two worst matchups in history, Foreman being the other.
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Liston and Fraizer may be close, but big Geaorge, Shavers, and Lyle, were NOT the type of heavy punchers Tyson was. I did say that if Ali was confident he would be able to win. But to say that Tysons punch cant beat Ali's chin is not an accurate statement. Ali has been hurt on more than one occasion. Including by fraizer (who is the closest to Tysons power, on your list anyway) and not that Ali doesnt have a chin, cause he does have a great chin, but when its Tyson hitting you, Ali was right, one punch and its goodnight anybody. I dont see how Ali couldnt have been taken seriously.
 
Dude no... Shavers and foreman are the two hardest hitters in the sports history (awaits max baer comment). Larry Holmes said Earnie Shavers hit significantly harder than mike tyson. Alot of tyson's percieved hower came from his speed. George and shavers hit harder, Joe i might say hit a little bit heavier but it was probably the same as tyson. Joe landed the best punch he possibly could on ali and he was getting up as soon as he hit the canvas. It would take alot for tyson to crack that chin.
 
Ali also said that Lennox Lewis is the greatest fighter of all time. And that Joe Louis was, and that Sugar Ray Robinson was, and that he was, of course. He said that he easily would have easily beaten Joe Louis, but that Marciano... maybe he couldn't have beaten him.
 
Back in late '63/early '64, Ali scored a whopping 78 on his IQ test for the army, which put him only slightly above the level of being mentally retarded.
 
And he told everyone he could beat larry holmes at 38 years old, and people believed him.
 
I've never taken an IQ test, but i know that they are logic based. Would that have more to do with Ali lacks of education or his actual brain function? Because he does not seem to be at an extremly low level of intelligence.
 
Forrest Gump had an IQ of 75.

Ali on his defense:
"I said I was the Greatest, I never said I was the smartest."

He always seemed quick enough to me, able to get the better of Howard Cosell amongst others.

Book learning doesn't tell the whole story on intelligence, but I do know Ali could barely read or write. Ali even said so himself.

Why is this even brought up?

Doesn't have anything to do with his standing as one of the great ones of history.

.
 
Sharkey said:
Back in late '63/early '64, Ali scored a whopping 78 on his IQ test for the army, which put him only slightly above the level of being mentally retarded.
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I would not put too much stock in IQ tests now, let alone tests from the seventies. Intelligence testing is in constant revision and far from being a good indication of a persons ability.
 
Sharkey said:
Back in late '63/early '64, Ali scored a whopping 78 on his IQ test for the army, which put him only slightly above the level of being mentally retarded.
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I would not put too much stock in IQ tests now, let alone tests from the seventies. Intelligence testing is in constant revision and far from being a good indication of a persons ability.
 
Spoonking said:
I would not put too much stock in IQ tests now, let alone tests from the seventies. Intelligence testing is in constant revision and far from being a good indication of a persons ability.
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Got a low score, eh?
 
Who was that guy Bugs Bunny fought for like 100 rounds and shot the rock of the ropes like a slingshot.

That guy
 
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Ezzard Charles
 
Lary Holmes also said that Mike Tyson was the hardest he ever got hit by at one point. I think hes just a little punch drunk.

Still, the tapes dont lie, speed IS power if you are already throwing the punch right. Tyson hit harder than anyone, I dont know how you can dispute it. Atlas and even Cosell both said it and they've seen some great ones. LISTEN TO THE PUNCHES, they speak for themselves.
 
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