Greatest boxer ever?

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Seano said:
Meh.

Thats debatable to reasonable people IMO.
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Agreed. You cant just say someones the greatest and that there's no need for discussion when its all a matter of opinion. Its not like the name of the thread is "Who will be The Next President" where theres an obvious answer.
IMO
Hardest Puncher=Mike Tyson
Best Footwork=Ali
Best Head Movement=Roy Jones Jr.
Obviously any of that is clearly arguable, and many people will probably try, but it don't change my opinion none.
I agree with TheFutureLV on his OPINION of Mayweather, though I dont know if its to that extreme. Calm down.
 
It's hard and perhaps arbitrary to pick the best boxer ever. I think, however, that it's got to be one of these three - no one else can come close to their records!

Willie Pep: Record: 230-11-1, 65 KO's

Henry Armstrong - only fighter to hold three titles (featherweight, lightweight and welterweight) simultaneously
Record: 150-21-9, 101 KO's!

Sugar Ray Robinson: Record: 175-19-6, 109 KO's
 
Uchi Deshi said:
Sugar Ray Robinson: Record: 175-19-6, 109 KO's
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I know I'm going to get the"OMG! IT WAS DIFFERENT BACK THEN!" crap. but it always stands out to me that Robinson has 25 fights on his record that he didn't win.
 
Michael Linger said:
i'm only 19. i've watched his fights on ESPN Classics, i've seens tapes of his fights. I've seen him fight, he is the only HW boxing champ to retire undefeated. He won 44 of 49 fights by Knock Out, thats a 88% knockout rate.

The guy was good, i think he beats any HW fighter from any era in their primes. I think he beats Tyson, Ali, Frazier, Liston, Louis, Foreman, ect...ect...ect..
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Not Tyson or Fraizer, and for a good reason. Marciano himself said the one thing he always feared and was fortunate enough to never have faced,was a swarmer. He would have been afraid of Fraizer, and especially Tyson, thus loosing before ever even entering the ring. Now I'm not fighter bashing, he said it himself. Same goes for Ali, in an interview on Arsenio Hall, when asked who he thought would win, Ali replied by pointing at Tyson and saying "I'm afraid of this one, I'm fast but if this guy hits you" and then made a body gesture like he was knocked out. So before you contest which alot of you will, only making yourself look more foolish, this came str8 from the horses mouth, both of these guys would have fallen victim to the same fear coma everyone of Tyson's early victims did. And if you bring up a fight that was post prison, or even post Cuz D'Amato, to argue why Im wrong, save it. Those fights were from a B level drug addict of a fighter that was nowhere near his prime. (once again not fighter bashing, Tyson is my favorite)
 
slimpickenz84 said:
I fully agree. No ones beating the Brockton Blockbuster.
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Ali would have and Foreman would have, but what are you gonna do this is an old arguement. If 49 fights 49 wins with no losses makes you the best you can make the case for guys like Duran and Chavez who didn't lose for like 80 some fights.

I think it is Robinson, but being that I never saw him live and most of what I'm saying is based off what was told to me I will try and pick someone I actually experienced...

I know he is not the best ever but the best fighter I have ever seen and actually been around for is Bernard Hopkins.
 
Seano said:
I know I'm going to get the"OMG! IT WAS DIFFERENT BACK THEN!" crap. but it always stands out to me that Robinson has 25 fights on his record that he didn't win.
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"Different back then" compared to what exactly? A fighter going on with his career long after he should have hung them up? That's a boxing standard as timeless as the sport itself.

I would say Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter to ever lace them up. Not because his unbelievable run at Welterweight. Not even because fighters and critics of the period all praised him as "the best" to go with that record. I think he's the best because even when watching video of the faded, come-backing, "shoulda been washed up" Ray Robinson, it's still poetry in motion. A glimmer of what the man had been, but still as fluid as any fighter I've seen.
 
Tyson had what it takes to beat anybody, but Don King tought him how to party, that was the end of that. Never got technicaly sound.
 
MMAGuruLV said:
Tyson had what it takes to beat anybody, but Don King tought him how to party, that was the end of that.
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If you read the Tyson biographies written by Heller, Gutteridge, or whomever else, Tyson was heavy into the partying scene (drugs, alcohol, days long benders...whatever else) a long ass time before he ever met up with Don King. Including his time spent at Cus' place, which is supposed to be when Tyson was "disciplined" in his way, but really wasn't.
 
MMAGuruLV said:
Tyson had what it takes to beat anybody, but Don King tought him how to party, that was the end of that. Never got technicaly sound.
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Impressive. Not a single part of that comment is correct.
 
Sharkey said:
If you read the Tyson biographies written by Heller, Gutteridge, or whomever else, Tyson was heavy into the partying scene (drugs, alcohol, days long benders...whatever else) a long ass time before he ever met up with Don King. Including his time spent at Cus' place, which is supposed to be when Tyson was "disciplined" in his way, but really wasn't.
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this is the common misconception that tyson was a bad kid who was taken under cus d'amato's wing and changed for the better this isn't true

the reason teddy atlas was fired was because he wouldn't put up with tysons behaviour he felt he should have been disciplined for years(and because he threatned tyson)

cus let tyson get away with alot because tyson was his golden ticket,cus and tyson's relationship is over-romantacised alot because of the whole old man takes in poor young black kid story

but from what Atlas has stated in many interviews is that for Cus it was purely business

he knew he was getting on and wanted to create one last champion


alot of people say that tyson failed because of cus d'amato's death but how could it have been

cus died in november 85 when tyson was only 11-12 bouts into his career


the sacking of Kevin rooney led to the downfall of tyson as a boxer
 
brunow said:
I'm not a huge boxing fan and haven't followed much of it, but I dig into these discussions. Who do you think was the best boxer of all times?


With my minor knowledge, I think candidates might be:

  • Muhammad Ali
  • Floyd Mayweather Jr.
  • Roy Jones Jr.
  • Joe Frazier
  • George Foreman
  • Lennox Lewis


Thoughts? Other candidates?
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ok your not a big boxing fan but damn.....
where the hell are sugar ray robinson and joe louis>?????????hagler, duran and leonard?????marciano and patterson??....dempsey and johnson????/????<<< jones jr, mayweather, frazier, foreman and lewis don't belong anywhere near the top 10 imo.
 
Apocalypse604 said:
ok your not a big boxing fan but damn.....
where the hell are sugar ray robinson and joe louis>?????????hagler, duran and leonard?????marciano and patterson??....dempsey and johnson????/????<<< jones jr, mayweather, frazier, foreman and lewis don't belong anywhere near the top 10 imo.
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It depends on how you look at it. Besides, every boxing fan has a different opinion about the tops. I think you could easily count RJJ in the top ten most elusive boxers in history, EASY.
Mayweather however, I would have to agree, does not belong in the top ten, unless your talking about top ten boxers to avoid big fights through the course of a career, IMO. Im not fighter bashing, I just dont think he EVER fought anyone who puts him in the top of all time, not saying he sucked, just not in the GOAT list.
 
Like you're list TS but take out Frazier and Foreman, and put in Iron Mike.
 
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