Greatest boxer ever?

[axhand1e]

Has anyone retained the HW title more times in a row ?

Joe Louis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I may be mistaken, but I don't think anyone at any weight has that many title defenses.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.


I gotta go with Ali. What he lacked in KO power (his only weakness in his prime imo), he made up for with his psychologic warfare and cerebral tactics. He was so good he's still the most recognizable face of all time in any sport... and last time I heard he was the most recognized person on the planet.

To me these things factor into the equation.

If we were going strictly on in ring criteria, then it would probably go to a lighter fighter like Sugar Ray Robinson possibly.

 

[DoomsdayFAN**]

Rocky Marciano.

 

[sky]

Mike Tyson
















is the greatest i've seen live. Prime Tyson trained by Kevin Rooney is probably the best of the past decade. I think he can be a real threat against any of the old time greats.

 

[boje.]

Sorry Sherdog was having serious issues with me yesterday.

 

[Tor33r]

The Brown Bomber Joe Louis.

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You guys don't even mention Sugar Ray Robinson.
The threadstarter said the best, and Joe Louis would have KILLED Sugar Ray Robinson.

Yeah HBO did a special about the greatest boxers. They did every weight class and also did the best of all time. They took input from all the boxing journalist and commentators and also a great deal of trainers. Joe Louis won as the greatest of all time by a very large vote.

 

[Orisha]

WTF is floyd doing there? :icon_lol:

 

[balkanbomber85]

you guys can say that i am crazy or something, but IMO Lennox Lewis would beat
all of the HWs you mentioned, he was just a totaly new era of boxer - huge, fast,
technical etc....

Maybe from the historic view he wasn

 

[boje.]

i'd pick him to beat 2 of the 4

 

[SeanW1888**]

Rocky M
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[Ox Baker]

Lennox Lewis beats Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali, but he gets knocked out by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall? I don't get it.

 

[Seano]

Lennox Lewis beats Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali, but he gets knocked out by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall? I don't get it.

Almost as crazy as Ali getting outboxed and beat to the punch by Ken Norton.

 

[Ox Baker]

I hate having to post to see what someone else posted.

 

[Seano]

I hate having to post to see what someone else posted.

I see that you put in the effort when its my posts. I have a fan.

 

[Ox Baker]

Ali in his prime never lost to Ken Norton. Ali was at his best when he was at his physical prime, fighting great fighters like Sonny Liston.

 

[Seano]

Ali in his prime never lost to Ken Norton. Ali was at his best when he was at his physical prime, fighting great fighters like Sonny Liston.

Meh, maybe. This is the big reason I hate the Tyson/Ali debate.

I think Liston was a bit past it by the time he met Clay.

I think prime Foreman, Frazier etc, were more impressive but at that time Ali was a bit less mobile. Does his prme just have to be when he was young or when he was his best?

 

[Hard as Iron]

Ali in his prime never lost to Ken Norton. Ali was at his best when he was at his physical prime, fighting great fighters like Sonny Liston.

Liston was an old man by the time Ali fought him. His real age was like 4-5 years older than his stated age, and the hard living he went through added on some more. Liston at his best would have killed Ali.

 

[Dragonstyle915]

Liston was an old man by the time Ali fought him. His real age was like 4-5 years older than his stated age, and the hard living he went through added on some more. Liston at his best would have killed Ali.

Nah

 

[Spoonking]

Meh, maybe. This is the big reason I hate the Tyson/Ali debate.

I think Liston was a bit past it by the time he met Clay.

I think prime Foreman, Frazier etc, were more impressive but at that time Ali was a bit less mobile. Does his prme just have to be when he was young or when he was his best?

what gives you the idea that Liston was past it when he met Clay?

 

[Seano]

what gives you the idea that Liston was past it when he met Clay?

Quitting on the stool for one, taking a dive for another. You think that was the best Liston?

 

[Ox Baker]

Liston was an old man by the time Ali fought him. His real age was like 4-5 years older than his stated age, and the hard living he went through added on some more. Liston at his best would have killed Ali.

Stop watching 20-year-old documentaries on ESPN Classic, and start reading up on the facts. The 1930 census of Forest City, Arkansas, was revealed a few years ago, and it lists his parents and a few of his siblings, but not Charles. At most, he was 31 years old when he fought Muhammad Ali. The arrest records and anecdotal accounts that list him as being born in 1927 or 1928 - including his mother's own word - are simply wrong.

31 years old. How was he not at his best? He absolutely destroyed Floyd Patterson only seven months earlier, and hadn't shown one bit of deterioration. More to the point, he showed no signs of being past his best until half a decade later when Leotis Martin knocked him out.