grappling forum LSD thread

berimBOWLoh said:
you are truly the king of strawman arguments. i tried to have a real conversation with you in between your CAPS WRITING, strawmen arguments, over emotional responses it has not been easy, believe me.

did i say those addictions are the same thing?? no. do i think many addictions have the same underlying social/mental/trauma/genetic problems?? i know they do. I do think drugs are the worse addiction because of the physical toll they take on you, quickly. Especially hard drugs..
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I have kept it pretty civil, even whem you keep changing the focus of the conversation, first it was that durgs are not that evil, only 10% get addicted, then you mixed up with some polital stuff, war on drugs etc (which we agree on)

then when I asked you a simple question, if you really think the whole thing is being overblown, you answered me with another question, I asked you if you would like your son to do heroin or meth "just" on weekends, and you ansered this : "Would i want them to be doing drugs every weekend?? Would i want them to be addicted to porn, food, sex, shopping, internet?? Would i want them to be smoking cigs and having unprotected sex?? would i want them getting drunk as hell at a club full of idiots?? Would i want them to skip school??"

I dont see how is that a strawmen argument you literally put drugs addiction on the same level as porn internet and shopping addiction...

Its ironic how easily you would shrug off ppl with other types of addictions because you think they are a joke. Sad, too.
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then again, I do agree that each ones addiction is their personal hell, but let me tell you something, you give a fat addicted to food kid meth for 1 week, and I can guarantee you his food addiction will be gone, replaced by a full on meth addiction.

Yes each person has their own personal problems, but im food addiction internet and porn addiction will not get you in a non sleeping 1 week 3492849 g meth binge, and god knows what type of crazy shit you couldve done in that binge.


It would be easier to believe everybody is simply overpowered the 1st time they take drugs and cannot help themselves after. to believe the drugs are evil. The hard truth is harder to face. The drugs didnt cause most ppls breakdowns, other factors did and if you dont address those factors and just the drugs you never get to the root of the problem.
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I never said this, I never said a single shot of heroin, a single line of coke or meth will turn you into a full blown addict, what it will do is open the door for more to come, and there is when problem starts, once again, some my close the door and move on, but a good % will not be able to do so.
 
jack36767 said:
Have you ever noticed people like him get really upset that coaches (doesn't matter what sport, bjj, soccer/football, wrestling, boxing, etc)are better at actually helping addicts or getting people out of bad situations than the academic people trying to come in from the outside, they have a less than "practical" or realistic way of looking at it. Or maybe that's just in US
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my personal opinion is that those people are only good to charge you a shit ton of money drug you with something more just to have you relape again in a endless cycle.

The best choices Ive seen work are NA, basically people of their own, people who understand whats up because theyve been through that.

Coaches have a profund impact on someones life, specially if the individual is a competitor, yes I agree they can help much more than psycologist and other academics.
 
BJJ_Rage said:
Yes each person has their own personal problems, but im food addiction internet and porn addiction will not get you in a non sleeping 1 week 3492849 g meth binge, and god knows what type of crazy shit you couldve done in that binge.



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its common for addicts to switch addictions during therapy. ive seen drug addicts become gambling addicts, many times. It doesnt just work one way. That is why im saying the root of addictions is many times the same thing. Its not about the drug, its about escape and making yourself feel good.


Did you know 95% of the soldiers who used heroin regularly in Vietnam quit when they came home?? virtually overnight?? why do you think that is??

http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2012/01/03/vietnam-and-bad-habits/


http://jamesclear.com/heroin-habits

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-clear/veterans-heroin_b_6708026.html

i can provide you fact after fact showing you that drug addiction isnt the huge risk we have been told it is. My original statement of 90% dont get addicted still rings true and that is what started this whole conversation. you are the one that has moved the goalposts thru out so i just responded accordingly.

Im sorry if the facts dont directly correlate to your personal experience. It doesnt change those facts. If your story is true you are a outlier among addicts. it is not regular that somebody has a happy, functional life, tries drugs and becomes a hardcore addict. it can definitely happen but it is a minority of the time.

edit - so you dont get emotional, i dont mean "isnt the huge risk" in terms of fucking up ppls lives who do get addicted. Its obv terrible and ppl need help, thats why i studied and volunteer. i mean it isnt a huge risk of getting addicted in the 1st place if you have a stable life.
 
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Not going to read this random 8 page thread, but I am chiming in to say I love grappling and have had some wonderful times on LSD and mushrooms. Also I discovered both BJJ and psychedelics before I even heard of Joe Rogan, and dabbling in psychedelics has never made me want to give up on the GI and become a 10th planet guy.
 
berimBOWLoh said:
its common for addicts to switch addictions during therapy. ive seen drug addicts become gambling addicts, many times. It doesnt just work one way. That is why im saying the root of addictions is many times the same thing. Its not about the drug, its about escape and making yourself feel good.


Did you know 95% of the soldiers who used heroin regularly in Vietnam quit when they came home?? virtually overnight?? why do you think that is??

http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2012/01/03/vietnam-and-bad-habits/


http://jamesclear.com/heroin-habits

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-clear/veterans-heroin_b_6708026.html

i can provide you fact after fact showing you that drug addiction isnt the huge risk we have been told it is. My original statement of 90% dont get addicted still rings true and that is what started this whole conversation. you are the one that has moved the goalposts thru out so i just responded accordingly.

Im sorry if the facts dont directly correlate to your personal experience. It doesnt change those facts. If your story is true you are a outlier among addicts. it is not regular that somebody has a happy, functional life, tries drugs and becomes a hardcore addict. it can definitely happen but it is a minority of the time.

edit - so you dont get emotional, i dont mean "isnt the huge risk" in terms of fucking up ppls lives who do get addicted. Its obv terrible and ppl need help, thats why i studied and volunteer. i mean it isnt a huge risk of getting addicted in the 1st place if you have a stable life.
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WasNt 23% for heroin users?

Addictive people normally switch addictions, in Na terms, you have a disease called addiction, is not the drug the problem but yourself, meaning you will normally substitute on drug for another, because you are an addictive person.

I agree that some don't you poll though is quite flawed, i told you already, you seems to only related addiction with frequency of use, and that my friend is not the definition of an addicted person.
 
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nodferatu said:
A friend of a friend says thank you.
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My friend said the postman delivered everything 4 days later. He said some words that would have no meaning to me, like 10$ a dose, 150 micrograms a dose.
 
winterbike said:
My friend said the postman delivered everything 4 days later. He said some words that would have no meaning to me, like 10$ a dose, 150 micrograms a dose.
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My other friend said he looked into it and liked what he saw, but has to find a good drop spot.
 
caught is caught. if they're looking they'll find you. might as well mail somewhere convenient
 
My gosh, I never would have imagined that this thread which I made on a whim in the throes of a fierce trip would make it to eight pages, haha
 
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