Graham Hancock and the ancient civilization theory

[andnowweknow]

I don't debate nonsense with fantasists. I just point out the nonsense and move on.

Read more. This something people who don't like to think say in my experience.

 

[blaseblah]

12,000 years isn't enough time to wipe advanced civilizations off the face of the Earth. We would've found their remnants.

 

[Loiosh]

Hancock has pointed this out, but our budget for earth crossing object detection is the equivalent to that which would be required to run a single McDonald's for a year. It's a joke.

It costs forty million dollars to run a McDonalds for a year?

 

[Noveltymortar]

Read more. This something people who don't like to think say in my experience.

Here I go breaking one of my own rules. People who lack the ability to discern truth from fiction are very fast to jump on whatever conspiracy theory/revisionist nonsense that makes them feel better about the world, evidence be damned. There is overwhelming evidence to support widespread slavery and servitude being a massive part of the history of ancient Egypt. On the other side there are a few literate fools and literate con artists who make a career out of duping impressionable dunces into believing something like this so they can get some page views or sell some more books.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

I don't doubt it one bit.

Humans have undoudtedly built and helplessly watched be destroyed countless civilizations over the last 200k+ years.

We've gotten farther technologically than past iterations of societies and civilizations only because we've enjoyed a relative calm and non-turbulent time period.

The cosmos bless. It won't last, but hopefully were advanced enough to prevent or at least mitigate any extinction level event.

 

[tramendous]

I can only tell you what Hancock thinks, and he basis this level conservatively on how he feels the world was mapped in pre history...which is pretty convincing that they did. He says at least 18th century level technology, perhaps 19th.

This is where my bullshitometer goes off. 19th century technology was trains, canons, guns, steamboats and all the science that it requires. I dont deny that our understanding of when civilization began is probably not set in stone (no pun intended) but 19th century technology would leave a lot evidence behind. Thats a lot of metal and iron lying around.

 

[goldennirvana]

The Denisovan bracelet which could be as old as 70,000 years blew my mind. It has a hole drilled into it. How could a primitive sub-species do such a thing? Unbelievable.

 

[blaseblah]

He's reporting the work of other people. He's a journalist. You can buy his arguments or not, he's an incredibly well researched non fiction writer. Your pseudoscience argument remains, garbage. Refute something he says that bothers you, don't just use these generalizing ad hominem attacks on him personally that don't address anything he says. Shit, the guy isn't claiming he's a scientist and never has, yet you're calling him a pseudoscientist.

What you're doing is just avoiding the actual topic, in which case just go find something else to converse about.

He's doing far more than reporting other people's work. He's coming up with his own ideas and drawing his own conclusions. It should go through the scientific process.

 

[andnowweknow]

It costs forty million dollars to run a McDonalds for a year?

Back up, show me what you're citing, and make sure you're looking at specifically dealing with earth crossing orbits in contrast...looking for new ones.

Nice gotcha try though. God this subject triggers people.

 

[andnowweknow]

This is where my bullshitometer goes off. 19th century technology was trains, canons, guns, steamboats and all the science that it requires. I dont deny that our understanding of when civilization began is probably not set in stone (no pun intended) but 19th century technology would leave a lot evidence behind. Thats a lot of metal and iron lying around.

I've said multiple times that was based on mapping the world, which is s specific argument made by Hancock, not me mind you.

 

[blaseblah]

It isn't though, because if you can't offer another theory, then his theory is the leading one.

No one here is claiming his theory has been proven.

I do argue he makes a compelling case for having the leading theory to explain many unanswered questions.

That is how the scientific process works.

Is this a troll post? That's not how science works. You're literally using the "God of the Gaps" argument.

 

[andnowweknow]

He's doing far more than reporting other people's work. He's coming up with his own ideas and drawing his own conclusions. It should go through the scientific process.

I think you misunderstand his work. He never says this isn't a circumstantial case nor has he ever stated he has proven his theory correct. He definitely has not...the comet impact portion has buoyed him immensely.

I think his general argument is likely correct.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Is this a troll post? That's not how science works. You're literally using the "God of the Gaps" argument.

No it isn't, lol.

Where have I claimed this is proven?

The god of the gaps arguemnt says that a lack of evidence to the contrary is proof of the existence of God.

I never made that claim. However I will tell you that in the year 1500, the leading theory for existence, was god.

Perhaps that statement will help you understand your fallacy here.

 

[andnowweknow]

This is where my bullshitometer goes off. 19th century technology was trains, canons, guns, steamboats and all the science that it requires. I dont deny that our understanding of when civilization began is probably not set in stone (no pun intended) but 19th century technology would leave a lot evidence behind. Thats a lot of metal and iron lying around.

And i think you misunderstand what we should expect to find in terms of metals from 10k+ years ago. The answer is nothing.

Further. I would posit there's probably evidence of it everywhere in plain site, just misunderstood and mischaracterized in attribution.

The solidity of our understanding of new kingdom Egypt, for example, is woefully bad. We essentially know next to nothing. Forget the Old Kingdom.

 

[BossRootin]

12,000 years isn't enough time to wipe advanced civilizations off the face of the Earth. We would've found their remnants.

Sea levels rose 400 ft at the end of the last ice age.
Much of the remnants would be washed away and under water.
Many of the Megalithic sites which we credit to known civilizations were likely much older.
These sites were discovered and layers of lesser craftsmanship were built on top.
Baalbek for example was credited to the Romans yet they simply added to the massive foundation that was already in place.
It turns out that accurately positioning 1,000 ton pillars 20 feet above the ground is not easily explainable without either advanced or lost technology.

 

[andnowweknow]

It costs forty million dollars to run a McDonalds for a year?

I stand corrected, my remeberence was 4m from 2010. It's actually 50m as of 2016. Still a joke, but point taken.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4816

 

[Loiosh]

Back up, show me what you're citing, and make sure you're looking at specifically dealing with earth crossing orbits in contrast...looking for new ones.

Nice gotcha try though. God this subject triggers people.

I checked the published NASA budget for NEO, which was increased to 40M per annum in 2014.

NASA’s Efforts to Identify Near-Earth Objects and Mitigate Hazards​

In FY 2013, the Program Executive oversaw a budget of $20.5 million and 64 funding
instruments that included grants, purchase orders, and contract task orders to
observatories and other facilities. With the Program budget growing to $40 million in
FY 2014, the number of funding instruments will likely also increase and with it the
Program Executive’s oversight responsibilities​

 

[Loiosh]

I stand corrected, my remeberence was 4m from 2010. It's actually 50m as of 2016. Still a joke, but point taken.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4816

The article I linked stresses that much more is needed.

 

[andnowweknow]

It turns out that accurately positioning 1,000 ton pillars 20 feet above the ground is not easily explainable without either advanced or lost technology.

Pullies bro, and some buff dudes. Seriously though, wrapping your head around the stone of the pregnant woman at baalbek, and the ones EVEN BIGGER they found below a few years ago is hard to do.

Bananas.

 

[andnowweknow]

The article I linked stresses that much more is needed.

Thanks. Seems it would require billions...which you'd think would be prudent given the subject at hand. The end of civilization...or worse.

It's really amazing how small the object can be relative to the earth and still utterly wreck everything. Turns out when you're traveling 50k mph kinetic energy becomes a huge multiplier.