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Elections GOP Road to 2016 Primary Thread

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Rand Paul ran for the senate in 2010. How did he do there among black voters?

13 percent.

Hardly seems worth getting excited about, does it?
 
Some of you seem to be under the impression that the GOP can substantially increase its percentage of black or Hispanic votes.

It cannot.

The party is not built, nor can it be easily rebuilt, to appeal to those voting demographics. This has nothing to do with racism, as some might like to claim. Republicans simply cannot appeal meaningfully to those groups, because they cut too sharply across the grain of their own interest groups.

The GOP is the party of what I'll call the national core - business interests, nationalists, militarists, social conservatives. The Democrats are the party of the periphery - outside groups that feel marginal to the national core (recent immigrant groups, blacks, the poor, Jews, labor unions, etc.).

These groups' alignment with the two mainstream U.S parties doesn't change much. Immigrant groups, for example, have been a reliable Democratic voting group since the mid-19th century.

It took over a hundred years for white Catholics and white southerners to become comfortable identifying with the Republican Party - and when they finally did, it had more to do with the Democratic Party abandoning them than it had to do with the Republicans making a successful appeal to them.

White southerners began leaving the Democratic Party over civil rights and the party's decision to go soft in the Cold War. Their realignment began in the 1960s, but wasn't completed until the early 1990s.

A smaller number of white Catholics began leaving the Democratic party over the Sexual Revolution, and this small exodus slowly increased over the years as the Democrats began to be identified as the party of minorities.

Catholics as a whole are still a swing vote, but only because there are more non-white Catholics than ever before. White Catholics, however, are now reliably Republican.

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It is very difficult to break these voting habits. They are strongly ingrained in both the political parties' infrastructure and in the politics of the voters.

What's more, I'm pretty sure that most of you misunderstand the meaning of the numbers.

Just because a higher percentage of Hispanics than blacks vote for the GOP doesn't make that group more gettable. Those two groups of voters are about the same size, so everything else being equal, there's no difference in the number of votes for the GOP if it raises its share of the black vote from 5 to 20 percent than it does if it raises its share of the Hispanic vote from 27 to 42 percent. You're not better off going after one than you are after the other.

That's not some special insight; that's just arithmetic.

The problem for the GOP is that in appealing to either of these two groups it risks alienating its own base. There's no free lunch in politics.

They are the same size if you assume black turnout continues it's upward trend since 2000. I think it's very unlikely it does though.

A difference with this is latinos are going to become the majority in the century. They do historically vote democrat and in the past but I don;t think that closes out the chance for improvement.

http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog...p-field-who-can-actually-win-the-latino-vote/

If you look at this 2013 poll, it agrees with what we've seen in the past. Even when latino's think somewhat favorably about a gop candidate, that doesn't translate to votes.

I really think immigration reform is much more likely happening if you get a pro-immigration republican in office compared to a democrat. The house will cave if their own party leader wanted that legislation pushed though with the majority they have. I easily can see Rubio or Bush pulling something like that off.

But then you could argue that it would just be the 80's all over again. Reagan got in the 30's with Latino voters.

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Rand Paul ran for the senate in 2010. How did he do there among black voters?

13 percent.

Hardly seems worth getting excited about, does it?

With Rand, I wasn't so much excited as I was happy that the effort is at least made. It seems to be a lose-lose trying to reach out to minority voters for the GOP because
1.) When you do, you're criticized on messaging and values
2.) When you don't, you're racist for conceding the voters are lost there or too hard to get.
 
They are the same size if you assume black turnout continues it's upward trend since 2000. I think it's very unlikely it does though.

Actually, there's no reason to expect that the two voting blocs won't be approximately the same size for the foreseeable future. Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2014, and the exit polls for that year still showed a much deeper level of political engagement among African Americans than among Latinos.

Yes, at some point in the distant future, I anticipate that demographic trends will take over and Hispanic voters become a noticeably larger group than African-American voters. But I wouldn't expect a wide gap to develop between the two groups for another twenty years at least, and why any Republican would want to encourage such a development through loose immigration policies is beyond me.

A difference with this is latinos are going to become the majority in the century. They do historically vote democrat and in the past but I don't think that closes out the chance for improvement.

They underperform economically. They poll liberal on economic issues, and on a quite few social issues as well. They've been voting 2 to 1 in favor of the Democratic Party since polling began to track their opinions in the 1970s.

In other words, they're Democrats.

And there's nothing to indicate they are eager to change their minds and start voting Republican. They have a party they're comfortable with, and it's called the Democratic Party.

http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog...p-field-who-can-actually-win-the-latino-vote/

If you look at this 2013 poll, it agrees with what we've seen in the past. Even when latino's think somewhat favorably about a gop candidate, that doesn't translate to votes.

By tradition, habit, and perceived self-interest, Latinos are habituated to Democratic Party politics, and there's no reason to believe they are open to turning to the Republican Party unless the GOP adopts big government policies, which is how George W. Bush was able to eventually win 40 percent of them in 2004.

I really think immigration reform is much more likely happening if you get a pro-immigration republican in office compared to a democrat. The house will cave if their own party leader wanted that legislation pushed though with the majority they have. I easily can see Rubio or Bush pulling something like that off.

I can't. Why would that make a difference at all? There's no evidence Hispanics vote Democrat because of immigration. They do so for a host of reasons, including immigration.

So take away immigration, and Hispanics still have host of other reasons to vote Democrat.

But then you could argue that it would just be the 80's all over again. Reagan got in the 30's with Latino voters.

I would make that argument.

When Reagan ran in 1980, he won 37 percent of the Hispanic vote. That's a pretty good mark for a Republican - the second highest in forty years of polling and the highest for a first-time Republican candidate for president.

Four years later, most Americans thought he had done a good job as president, and he was overwhelmingly re-elected with eight percent more of the national popular vote than he received in 1980 (59 percent to 51 percent).

But among Hispanics, those four years convinced some of them that Reagan wasn't their man, and his percentage of the Hispanic vote went down slightly to 34 percent. So when everybody's else's opinion of Reagan was going up, Hispanics' view of Reagan was going down.

In Reagan's second term, immigration reform was passed. You might have said well perhaps that would do it.

But, no, when Reagan's lieutenant, George H. W. Bush, ran in 1988, he won just 30 percent of the Hispanic vote. And Bush was very friendly towards Hispanics in the election.

In other words, even though Republicans had gone along with amnesty in the late 80s, it didn't help them one bit with Hispanics at the ballot box.

So why would you expect it to do so now?
 
With Rand, I wasn't so much excited as I was happy that the effort is at least made. It seems to be a lose-lose trying to reach out to minority voters for the GOP because
1.) When you do, you're criticized on messaging and values
2.) When you don't, you're racist for conceding the voters are lost there or too hard to get.

That would seem to be the rub, but it's really not.

Appeal first to your base, reach out to moderates and independents, and then seek to govern well so that you enhance your support in the future.

Almost all blacks and most Hispanics don't vote Republican. There's no evidence it's because we don't have Ben Carson or Marco Rubio running at the top of the ticket. That trivializes the seriousness of voters' political concerns. Hispanics don't vote for Democrats because they're browner than Republicans are. They vote for the Democratic Party because they think the Democrats serve Hispanic interests better than Republicans do.

And you know what? They're right.

We have two parties for a reason, and as Reagan pointed out, a party can't be all things to all people.
 
GOP hopefuls rush toward starting gates
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The 2016 race is about to get real.
At least three Republican presidential candidates are expected to formally launch their campaigns within the next three or four weeks, due to a mix of calendar dates and deadlines that offer an ideal window for them to officially declare their intentions.
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Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz are looking to early April as a target for their campaign announcements. Specific dates haven’t been settled on, advisers to three GOP senators said, leaving the possibility that some of the roll-outs could begin as early as the final days of March or stretch into mid-April.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ward-starting-gates-116136.html#ixzz3Uk24SeXA

Jeb Bush Promises 2016 Decision in 'Few Months'
Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said Wednesday he will make a formal decision about seeking the Republican presidential nomination in a "few months' time” but that he isn't sure exactly when.

“I have burnt all my bridges behind me,” Bush said during a swing through the key primary state, following trips to Iowa and New Hampshire.. “In a few months time—I’m not sure exactly when—I’ll make up my mind.”

On Tuesday in the Palmetto State, Bush focused his comments on bridging partisan divides. “It's the president's responsibility to reweave the web of civility,” he said. “And this guy does not believe it's his priority or his mission to do that.”

Announcements are coming
 
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Rand to Hillary: Return Money From 'Worst Abusers of Women's Rights in the World'
Tonight, at a speech for the Carroll County Republican Party, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul will call on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to return any money given to her family foundation by countries that "abuse women."

"There has been much talk of a war on women," Paul will say, according to a short excerpt provided to reporters. "There is indeed a war on women... in Saudi Arabia. When Hillary Clinton claims she will support women's rights, ask her why she accepted millions of dollars from..."

The excerpt trails off, because Paul intends to list oppressive countries that have made news with their donations to the Clinton Foundation
 
Ben Carson: Arm Ukraine, Expand NATO, Rethink Russia's Position on UN Security Council
The 63-year old neurosurgeon, who recently launched an exploratory committee for a 2016 presidential bid, had called in for an interview with Hugh Hewitt. The California-based host, whose sharp, probing style got him a role in the GOP's upcoming presidential debates, used the interview to drill down on foreign policy. Carson slipped up, and said the "Baltic states" needed to "get involved in NATO," an alliance they belong to already. The previous week had seen Carson speculate about whether homosexuality was a choice, and get mocked on Saturday Night Live. This week, the media was browbeating him over foreign policy.

In a statement to Bloomberg Politics, Carson acknowledged that he was constantly boning up on foreign policy. "Although I have visited the Baltic Rim and over 57 other countries around the world," he said, "I am still in the stage of rapidly learning about the political dynamics of global politics." And in a short Friday interview, Carson said that he gets a weekly foreign policy briefing from "former military people, some people who worked in the State Department" and "a number of people" who send him advice on their own accord.
 
Donald Trump Is Totally Serious This Time, He Swears
For a few hours on Thursday night, the home of Republican New Hampshire state Representative Stephen Stepanak was enveloped by a reality distortion field. Outside, in most of the state and country, the latest Donald Trump for President movement was an obvious joke. He'd played the media in 1987, and 1999, and 2007 (sort of), and 2011. No more. "We feel that the prospect of Congress changing the Constitution to allow newborn deer to be eligible to become president of the United States is an idea that is 1,000 times more worthy of serious, intellectual consideration than a Donald Trump candidacy," wrote Jason Linkins in the Huffington Post.

I hope he decides to run and isn't invited to the debates. Would be a huge hit to his ego.
 
Official announcements will come fast and furious come April when the new fundraising quarter begins - candidates want to have their first fundraising announcement a big one so will get in early as possible in the quarter to have the most fundraising time. If you come in May or later your first fundraising announcement total (legally have be released after each quarter (Jan-Mar, April-Jun, July-Sep, Oct-Dec)) will pale in comparison to other primary rivals and could cost you a news cycle.
 
I think it was pretty surprising the number of people talking about presidential overreach that also signed that letter. Congress shouldn't be playing foreign policy but it seems in the future, this will be the case as more and more senators will have presidential ambitions compared to how it use to overwhelmingly be governors. It's amazing Tim Cotton already has traction in the Senate. We have another damn Ted Cruz in the upper chamber.

Tom Cotton isn't Ted Cruz; he's Bill Kristol. And that, my friend, is a much scarier proposition.
 
Rand easily has a template for reaching out to black voters. It fits very well also with a conservative ideology of oppressive government. It's beyond stupid more of the GOP isn't taking these type of stances. I think Crime and Poverty have become non-issues in politics and it needs to be central again.

Here's the speech where Rand addresses criminal justice reform at Bowie State.

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Top Republican National Committee Donors to Get a Look at Presidential Hopefuls
Next stop in the invisible primary: Boca Raton, Fla. At least seven Republican presidential hopefuls will spend the weekend with about 200 of the party's top donors at the Boca Raton Resort & Club for the Republican National Committee's national finance spring retreat. It begins Friday.

Attendees will include the upper echelons of Republican Party money movers. At the top of the pack, according to a GOP source, are "RNC Trust" members, who have committed to giving $334,000
 
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