Google, Microsoft, tech jobs, etc... are no longer "dream" jobs..

[blaseblase]

My wife is involved with this field and it really seems like these jobs have a 3 year shelf life where you get in, get what you can and get out because everything is fucked up.

Plus it sounds like death by zoom meetings. They have so many fucking meetings that it would make my head spin. I don't know how they get anything done because all they do is get together and talk about getting things done and then hold another meeting shortly afterward about why things aren't getting done.

Unnecessary meetings were definitely an aspect of the place I worked at.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

I don't think that's true. I worked at one for a few months, had a great time, never had long hours. The cafeteria had a variety of high quality food. Never saw a stakeholder. The setting is superior to other workplaces but like any job probably the most important thing is who your manager is.

The setting and work places of many of these companies are actually really great. The jobs there absolutely can be stressful, but that’s why it is called work, and not super happy Funtime jamboree.

 

[TeTe]

Yeah, I mean I worked for HP before I got my current job.

The problem with these big brand companies is that they only care about appeasing their shareholders. Half of their workforce is contractors and you are just a number to them. I don't think I ever saw a single VP in the 2.5 years I worked there. Like Rob mentioned, you don't have the ability to really make any meaningful change either because there's so many layers to departments and bureaucracy.

Not mention there are constant workforce reductions when god forbit they have a couple bad quarters so you're on edge, especially as a contracted worker.

I started working for a privately owned, small company 3.5 years ago and it was the best decision ever. I have the ability to branch out and work on new things and help improve processes. Not to mention everyone is accessible all the way up to the CEO since it's a family owned business of 100 people.

The company keeps growing too so my bonuses just keep getting bigger and bigger each year. They actually care about their employees.

I know that when you work in tech it's better to job hop every so often to get pay raises and possibly job titles... and recruiters like that you haven't stayed complacent at jobs. But as long as my company keeps throwing money at me and treats me well, I have no incentive to leave honestly. I'd ride out the rest of my career here assuming everything continues course. Nothing is guaranteed of course.

 

[TribalDrumz]

Yeah, I mean I worked for HP before I got my current job.

The problem with these big brand companies is that they only care about appeasing their shareholders. Half of their workforce is contractors and you are just a number to them. I don't think I ever saw a single VP in the 2.5 years I worked there. Like Rob mentioned, you don't have the ability to really make any meaningful change either because there's so many layers to departments and bureaucracy.

Not mention there are constant workforce reductions when god forbit they have a couple bad quarters so you're on edge, especially as a contracted worker.

I started working for a privately owned, small company 3.5 years ago and it was the best decision ever. I have the ability to branch out and work on new things and help improve processes. Not to mention everyone is accessible all the way up to the CEO since it's a family owned business of 100 people.

The company keeps growing too so my bonuses just keep getting bigger and bigger each year. They actually care about their employees.

I know that when you work in tech it's better to job hop every so often to get pay raises and possibly job titles... and recruiters like that you haven't stayed complacent at jobs. But as long as my company keeps throwing money at me and treats me well, I have no incentive to leave honestly. I'd ride out the rest of my career here assuming everything continues course. Nothing is guaranteed of course.

All I know is I would hate to have to look for a job right now.

 

[TeTe]

All I know is I would hate to have to look for a job right now.

Yeah, I didn't even mention how stressful it is to even have to apply and interview for jobs... especially now.

 

[avenue94]

Yeah, I mean I worked for HP before I got my current job.

Were you in Palo Alto or which HP campus?

A lot of what folks are saying about tech are true, the one exception that hasn't been talked about is sales probably. Compensation is absurd for PC OEMs and most tech companies now if you're in sales, more than enough to make up for the reduced security.

 

[Neck&Neck]

I'm sure it still beats out any job requiring a shovel

Tito Ortiz would disagree

 

[TeTe]

Were you in Palo Alto or which HP campus?

A lot of what folks are saying about tech are true, the one exception that hasn't been talked about is sales probably. Compensation is absurd for PC OEMs and most tech companies now if you're in sales, more than enough to make up for the reduced security.

No, San Diego. The campus I was on was R+D and production for several lines of printers and ink jet cartridges. We had multiple production lines and labs there. I was a technical writer for them and a W2 contractor the whole time. Definitely on the first to cut list when shit hits the fan.

 

[chrisdiaz]

What are you talking about? You sound like the one who has never worked in such a setting

I dont work in one anymore thats for sure. If you think having a job that looks like a college campus is cool, thats your opinion. I come in to work and get paid not to play around. If I had free time like that I would just go home, like I am right now.

 

[spamking]

Wife's cousin was recruited by Google. He made it about a year down in California before almost losing his mind and coming home. They're rich, dork havens and the culture is almost cult like. Yeah, no thanks.

I'm sure though they are very much still dream jobs for millions of people and that likely won't change.

Sounds about like what many folks say about working for PayCom in OKC.

 

[avenue94]

No, San Diego. The campus I was on was R+D and production for several lines of printers and ink jet cartridges. We had multiple production lines and labs there. I was a technical writer for them and a W2 contractor the whole time. Definitely on the first to cut list when shit hits the fan.

Small world, HP print is one of my company's main clients, so I know a decent amount of print folks still. At least you weren't around for the good ol Fiorina or Whitman days.

 

[nostradumbass]

Tell me about it. I worked for this big tech company called only fans and they kept wanting photographs of my sphincter and ballbag.

 

[J.M.M]

I dont work in one anymore thats for sure. If you think having a job that looks like a college campus is cool, thats your opinion. I come in to work and get paid not to play around. If I had free time like that I would just go home, like I am right now.

I was talking about you laughing at thinking workers would be in cubicles and thinking they are for the stakeholders and tours instead.

The cubicles are indeed for the people working there

 

[CHUTE_BOXE78]

Yeah all of that sounds cool until you realize your at work and want to go home after the 10 hours you've been there not play pacman or table tennis.

Usually all of it grows stale. Ones that tend to remain in situations like this have a family there or people they care greatly for. Even then it ends, because you still want some privacy. I worked for an Italian precision manufacturer that had dorms and all that enticement since right before the 80s. If you work for the company you can live there for free. Food and all. The dorms etc have been empty almost always. Only people that would stay there once in a while were couples separating because they're having fights at home. Only time I was glad I can't get a passport.

 

[CHUTE_BOXE78]

Small world, HP print is one of my company's main clients, so I know a decent amount of print folks still. At least you weren't around for the good ol Fiorina or Whitman days.

Wait. Those names seem familiar. This is strange. US government hit hp and others about how they discard cartridges. Made a law for it I think or something along those lines. That's where things got pretty illegal. I know because I was working for a company before the Italian one, that would "buy" tons of waste cartridges for all manufacturers. I didn't understand it at the time(dummy cartridges),but I knew it was fucked up. I even said to him many times, I thought this was a sales and distribution company owned by veterans?! Cunt even tried to get me to get all my former gov colleagues to make all their purchases through them. Fuck that. I heard a few calls from their guy that got busted in California for it, from federal prison. My family better be taken care of, etc... Guy broke rather quickly. Got the owner, my boss, like 9 months later. He might still be in fed prison. I still feel bad for his daughter that I used baby sit etc all the time. She was like the blueberry girl from Wonka. I started taking care of her and she changed for the better. She was 12 last I saw her. She's 24 now, hopefully she's alive, well, and not a cunt.

 

[avenue94]

Wait. Those names seem familiar.

Yeah, the HP cartridge and ink subscription models are some of the most anti-consumer business practices you'll find today, on top of cannibalizing the market long term. But it makes money short term so print companies don't care at this point.

 

[KaNesDeath]

They're rich, dork havens and the culture is almost cult like. Yeah, no thanks.

This was caused by the incentives used to attract talent. Instead it created a professional and socially enclosed environment on the corporate campus. Why when the majority of employees are laid off theyre emotionally devastated. Not only did they lose their job, but their entire social life disappeared.

Funny thing is how one technology corporation constantly flies under the radar when it comes to topics like this. An theyre the highest earner per employee in the tech industry. This is because they are extremely stringent on hiring and arent publicly traded.

 

[ferrisjso]

This Greek finance minister (lol) argues that big tech has nearly killed capitalism. He say old timey capitalists would run narrow profit margins, reinvesting the majority of their capital, while tech companies put around 2% of their revenue into salary etc

Heres the thing there was never ANYTHING solid maintaining the way capitalists behaved. Theres nothing preventing them from being what they are now(except USSR and threat of socialism).

Also early capitalism tends to be dominated by people who either A founded the corporation or B identified strongly with their company and/or industry. These people were being motivated by things other than profit that future generations were not going to share. Late capitalism is dominated by diversification where investors have nothing holding them back from pilfering a given corporations services cashing out and moving on to the next one. Its more predatory in nature. It was always a matter of time before this happened though. Early capitalism had its merits over todays system for sure but todays dystopia was always its destiny.

 

[AFanNotAFighter]

For all of those not feeling fulfilled by their job it's up to you to find a job that fulfills you. I went from job to job for a number of years before I found one.

 

[CHUTE_BOXE78]

Yeah, the HP cartridge and ink subscription models are some of the most anti-consumer business practices you'll find today, on top of cannibalizing the market long term. But it makes money short term so print companies don't care at this point.

Reads correct as far as I theorized. I wonder if all those companies,... Lexmark, etc. ever got their poop together in regard to recycling. Toner ink is bad news. Used to hate having that stuff on me, let alone knowing I was breathing that shit daily. I thought they were going to have to trudge through landfills recovering them. Fuck. Humans truly are parasitic cunts. I am one, so don't take offense.