Goodbye Fedor vs. Crocop: The HW division is on a whole new level now

[Bubblun]

Who tried to bluff this thread with some Rings shit (Bublun´s Rings "knowledge" = ONE fight), mate? Gono or Bublun?

Meanwhile, as usual, ya dont understand the historical perspective behind this Ali quote...
It is what it is.

In time: nah, that shit was not invented in the 1990s, but I doubt ya know what Im talkin´about...

Spoiler

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-part-9-bjj-during-the-vale-tudo-era.3826197/

Tbh, this debate is somehow a lil bit too complex for ya, mate...
Ya have a pretty simplistic understandin´of this evolution.

In short, it´s not about current fighters bein´worse or better than those legends.

No.

It´s about Fight Configuration & Rule Set, and the way fighters adapt and shape their skill set accordin´ to these 2 parameters´ evolution.

And I also remember your laughable assessment about Volkov´s ground game too...
So much fun, right, mate?

Stop quoting me, you weirdo.

I could give you multiple quotes of multiple world class ground experts saying that ground fighting is still progressing, it's not a stale sport like you believe.

Is news of these days a quote from Keenan Cornelius that really pissed off some people in the bjj circle, but he was kind of right.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/keenan-cornelius-rickson-gracie-tough-purple-belt.4002967/


People love to put big names of the past on a pedestal.
Always that.
In mma is Fedor, in bjj is Rickson, in boxing is Ali, in soccer is Maradona or Pelé and so on.

I feel like the dad that has to say to his son that Santa Claus don't exist.
BJJ during the Vale Tudo era sucked compared to the BJJ we have today.
The sport has progressed, there are 10000x more participants around the world, more gyms, more coaches, amazing resources with the internet that even a decade ago we didn't had.

But if you don't train you wouldn't understand that, get in the gym.

 

[gono btw]

Stop quoting me, you weirdo.

I could give you multiple quotes of multiple world class ground experts saying that ground fighting is still progressing, it's not a stale sport like you believe.

Is news of these days a quote from Keenan Cornelius that really pissed off some people in the bjj circle, but he was kind of right.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/keenan-cornelius-rickson-gracie-tough-purple-belt.4002967/


People love to put big names of the past on a pedestal.
Always that.
In mma is Fedor, in bjj is Rickson, in boxing is Ali, in soccer is Maradona or Pelé and so on.

I feel like the dad that has to say to his son that Santa Claus don't exist.
BJJ during the Vale Tudo era sucked compared to the BJJ we have today.
The sport has progressed, there are 10000x more participants around the world, more gyms, more coaches, amazing resources with the internet that even a decade ago we didn't had.

But if you don't train you wouldn't understand that, get in the gym.

meh,ya dont know shit about the evolution of this game. Zero.
Your knowledge about boxing seems even worse.

I wonder who takes ya seriously, mate... Ya would be crucified in a boxing forum.

Anyway, dont even believe that ya got your full 3-piece today. You´ll get the soda very soon when I´ll rub an assessment of Volk Han´s version clean in your silly face, and it´ll be dropped right here.
You´ll think twice b4 tryin´ to show off.

Spoiler: Meanwhile...

Stop quotin´random youtube vidz or blogs...

If ya dont have anythin´personal to say here, no personal assessment, what´s the point?
We all know how to use google.

If ya´re that insecure about your own "knowledge", jus´...

Spoiler

 

[ThunderL1ps]

I remember that when Nogueira was fighting him, Quadros was saying Coleman is the number 1 guy in the world.
You know the phrase "to be the best you have to beat the best"? Coleman was the best at the time.

At least on paper, because Quadros was way ahead of his time and was trying to make sense of all that circus having a legit ranking system and the like.
Basically Quadros is the sole reason why you Pride nut huggers all talk about "xxx ranked fighter", "in his prime", and stuff like that, while nobody gave a damn at the time, including the promoters.
Basically Quadros has ruined my whole existence in this forum, arguing with Pride nut huggers in 2019, fuck my life.

Retardation in MMA is a UFC company and fanboy invention.

 

[Claude]

You don't need to bring old ass Anderson fights to discredit him.
I just need my pair of eyes to see Anderson being way more active on the ground than Fedor, and having a better guard (and by the way, why are suddenly interested in talking about Anderson, maybe you feel he is a potential Fedor competitor for GOAT discussions?)

Didn't you bring the Arona fight to discredit Fedor? lol, double standards much?

If Anderson had a better guard then why was he GnP'd more? Why was he full mounted more? Why did he often had to wait until rounds ended?

See, laying on your back for an entire round works in the UFC. It's just 5 minutes. In Pride however, they had a 10 minute 1st round, and thus Andy was helpless and instead of getting up to his feet he got subbed. Fedor, well you know the story.

It's nice that you think Anderson was better off his back, but the evidence is against you.

Let's put it this way, so you can't hide under straw hats.
YOU POST a fight, or a gif or whatever about Fedor doing guard retention, shrimping, sweeping, basically Fedor doing something that isn't an armbar or a bridge reversal, SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE.

Because, I am repeating myself again, Fedor ain't half as good on the ground as nut huggers like yourself claim him to be.

People shit on Derrick Lewis, right?
Then tell me the difference between how Fedor escapes from the ground and what Lewis do.
Give me gifs, or fights obviously, because I feel I am like the only one here that is trying to give proofs meanwhile you Fedor nut huggers are sucking each other's dicks.

Virtually the same.
That's all athleticism and power.
Fedor is Derrick Lewis on the ground, 30-40 pound lighter, with an armbar.

Virtually the same, except one is escaping and subbing a division 1 wrestler who treated Couture like a child for over 2 rounds (he actually held Randy down for a lot longer than Brock did), while the other one isn't. Not to mention Fedor Kimura'd Kevin seconds afterwards.

But I'm not sure what your point is here. Lewis was able to get back up to his feet vs. Cormier (as plenty other fighters did), but he didn't have the striking, the subs from bottom, the sub defense, the cardio, etc. to negate any of Cormier's strengths. Fedor had all of them. Can't belive I have to explain this to you.

You're free to think Fedor "wasn't as good on the ground as nuthuggers think", or whatever that means. That's not even what I'm debating here. I'm arguing that his ground game was good enough not to lose to Cormier, and you're still failing to prove otherwise.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

meh,ya dont know shit about the evolution of this game. Zero.
Your knowledge about boxing seems even worse.

I wonder who takes ya seriously, mate... Ya would be crucified in a boxing forum.

Anyway, dont even believe that ya got your full 3-piece today. You´ll get the soda very soon when I´ll rub an assessment of Volk Han´s version clean in your silly face, and it´ll be dropped right here.
You´ll think twice b4 tryin´ to show off.

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Spoiler: Meanwhile...

Stop quotin´random youtube vidz or blogs...

If ya dont have anythin´personal to say here, no personal assessment, what´s the point?
We all know how to use google.

If ya´re that insecure about your own "knowledge", jus´...

Spoiler

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I once posted a Fedor grappling seminar teaching armbars to prove a point. He was explaining technique; arm and leg position, etc. Even talked about GnP.

Bubblun said Fedor was actually only doing a warm-up for the hips, lol.

That's how terrible he is.

 

[Here's the thing]

Tonight DC and Stipe put on a striking clinc and proved how much the HW division has come along since 2005 when Fedor and Crocop fought for the title.

Nowadays you don't defend leg kicks, you just take them like a man. If you can't, then you don't deserve to be called a fighter. Fedor countering a leg kick:

Defending liver shots proved how underdeveloped fighters were back then. DC ate about 10 liver shots tonight proving his toughness, while that Fedor dude was so scared he blocked them:

Fedor can't pick-up up his opponent like DC, so he just pushes him:

Outdated combo. Today it's all about the jabs and 1-2's (and accidental eye pokes here and there)

Round 2. If they aren't tired, they aren't trying:

Crocop being elusive. Cool, but slavic men aren't scared of punches these days.
Srsly, why aren't they standing flat footed in front of each other like lions?

Eye pokes > Head kick + punch + TD:

Now here's one gif to rule them all (couldn't find one from tonight, but you get the idea):




Stipe throws an epic 1-2 combo and DC dodges them with world class head movement. DC and Miocic are surely the two most refined strikers the world has ever seen.

Time to leave the nostalgia behind and accept the HW division has evolved tremendously.

Stipe = GOAT, even Rogan agrees.

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Joe Rogan says Stipe is the GOAT? That's how you know Stipe ISN'T the GOAT. Joe Rogan is a brain-dead retard. He claims about 20 different fighters are the GOAT over any given two-week period. Whoever is the current champ is the GOAT in his pea-sized brain.

 

[Here's the thing]

I once posted a Fedor grappling seminar teaching armbars to prove a point. He was explaining technique; arm and leg position, etc. Even talked about GnP.

Bubblun said Fedor was actually only doing a warm-up for the hips, lol.

That's how terrible he is.

Claude, do everyone a favor and put your meth pipe down. You are so wrong, and so full of shit it's painful to read your posts. And by the way, claiming that Stipe is the GOAT because Rogan says so makes you lose all credibility. Rogan is completely and utterly full of shit. He is constantly changing his claim of who the GOAT is. For him, you are the GOAT when you are the current champ. It's that simple. Every current champ in every weight class is the GOAT in his pea-sized brain.

 

[Bubblun]

Didn't you bring the Arona fight to discredit Fedor? lol, double standards much?

If Anderson had a better guard then why was he GnP'd more? Why was he full mounted more? Why did he often had to wait until rounds ended?

See, laying on your back for an entire round works in the UFC. It's just 5 minutes. In Pride however, they had a 10 minute 1st round, and thus Andy was helpless and instead of getting up to his feet he got subbed. Fedor, well you know the story.

It's nice that you think Anderson was better off his back, but the evidence is against you.



Virtually the same, except one is escaping and subbing a division 1 wrestler who treated Couture like a child for over 2 rounds (he actually held Randy down for a lot longer than Brock did), while the other one isn't. Not to mention Fedor Kimura'd Kevin seconds afterwards.

But I'm not sure what your point is here. Lewis was able to get back up to his feet vs. Cormier (as plenty other fighters did), but he didn't have the striking, the subs from bottom, the sub defense, the cardio, etc. to negate any of Cormier's strengths. Fedor had all of them. Can't belive I have to explain this to you.

You're free to think Fedor "wasn't as good on the ground as nuthuggers think", or whatever that means. That's not even what I'm debating here. I'm arguing that his ground game was good enough not to lose to Cormier, and you're still failing to prove otherwise.

Cheers.

The Anderson who fought in Pride wasn't good on the ground, the Anderson of the UFC run was more than competent.
I heard he went to train with someone named Nogueira, maybe you have heard of him.

Now I know 100% why you bring up Anderson every time, I have watched your past threads, you hate him!
Poor Anderson, he was the antagonist for all the past years you had to "fight" for your boy Fedor on internet forums!
The other GOAT candidate, right?


Randleman sucked on the ground, if you have Randleman in high regard I don't know what to say.
I guess Crocop and Waterman were also amazing, they submitted Randleman quite fast.

So now are you telling me you are making it about "neutralizing Cormier", and not " there is no freaking way Cormier survives on top of a prime Fedor the way he fights on the ground."
Source https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...or-would-have-armbarred-cormier-pics.3244639/

At least you are slowly changing your narrative, I take that as a win.
Next thread you will be a new man.

And by the way, if you want to discuss about Fedor's striking, feel free to do it, I'm in.

I once posted a Fedor grappling seminar teaching armbars to prove a point. He was explaining technique; arm and leg position, etc. Even talked about GnP.

Bubblun said Fedor was actually only doing a warm-up for the hips, lol.

That's how terrible he is.

Yes, I remember how you destroyed all my arguments (sarcasm).

This thread
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...r-daniel-cormier-past-present.3416723/page-17

Just so the people can have an idea about you.

I actually did a search on your past threads, and I have found something amazing.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...d-have-armbarred-cormier-pics.3244639/page-13

Mixfight, one of the biggest Fedor's nut hugger in this whole forum, was literally schooling you on that topic.
Amazing sight.

And yes, it's easy to tell you never grappled a day in your life and everybody can see your were grasping at straws.
You kinda shoot yourself on your own foot, making a thread about something you have no clue about.

 

[Here's the thing]

Here's the thing, you have to take in mind this whole thread, not me.
Have you read the OP? Because the whole purpose of this thread is trashing current fighters to say your heroes of the past were better, right after a big heavyweight fight.

Like damn, I am one of the few giving props to the current guys.
Do you understand that?

Being a fighter in 2019 is quite demoralizing, when you know you will never be loved like the fighters from 10-15 years ago in "hardcore" mma internet forums.
You get paid more though, and you have access to better training and likely are a better fighter.

What you don't get is this simple fact: There will ALWAYS be idiots like CLAUDE who will make posts discrediting great fighters, after their glory days are long gone. In 7 years, a new idiot will rise and shit on DC and Stipe, talking about how overrated they were, and how they could never compete with current top HW fighters.

The reason it's so weak is because these idiots (like Claude and many others on here) know that Fedor and all the other past greats cannot do anything about his shit-talking. They are human beings, and once they're old, there is no getting back their former glory. I could make a post about any great fighter from years ago, and how they were completely overrated and could never compete with the "new breed" of fighters. But that's complete shit. There's no evidence to suggest there is any truth in that claim at all.

 

[Claude]

The Anderson who fought in Pride wasn't good on the ground, the Anderson of the UFC run was more than competent.
I heard he went to train with someone named Nogueira, maybe you have heard of him.

Now I know 100% why you bring up Anderson every time, I have watched your past threads, you hate him!
Poor Anderson, he was the antagonist for all the past years you had to "fight" for your boy Fedor on internet forums!
The other GOAT candidate, right?


Randleman sucked on the ground, if you have Randleman in high regard I don't know what to say.
I guess Crocop and Waterman were also amazing, they submitted Randleman quite fast.

So now are you telling me you are making it about "neutralizing Cormier", and not " there is no freaking way Cormier survives on top of a prime Fedor the way he fights on the ground."
Source https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...or-would-have-armbarred-cormier-pics.3244639/

At least you are slowly changing your narrative, I take that as a win.
Next thread you will be a new man.

And by the way, if you want to discuss about Fedor's striking, feel free to do it, I'm in.


Yes, I remember how you destroyed all my arguments (sarcasm).

This thread
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...r-daniel-cormier-past-present.3416723/page-17

Just so the people can have an idea about you.

I actually did a search on your past threads, and I have found something amazing.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...d-have-armbarred-cormier-pics.3244639/page-13

Mixfight, one of the biggest Fedor's nut hugger in this whole forum, was literally schooling you on that topic.
Amazing sight.

And yes, it's easy to tell you never grappled a day in your life and everybody can see your were grasping at straws.
You kinda shoot yourself on your own foot, making a thread about something you have no clue about.

He was already training with Nogueira when he lost to Chonan. You didn't know? lol. If his ground game wasn't good in Pride, then it wasn't good in the UFC, since he still kept hugging fighters helplessly. It took 23 minutes for him to do anything vs. Chael, and Chael's sub defense was terrible. He was subbed 7 times before fighting Anderson.

I'm not changing my narrative, you just have very poor comprehension skills. If you subbed a fighter then obviously, you did not lose to him, lol. My point has always been that DC doesn't have enough skills to beat Fedor on the ground, and that his weaknesses match up perfectly with Fedor's strengths. I'm sure Fedor would either sweep him or ambar him. If he leaves his arm where he always do, then he gets armabarred 100%.

You want to make a case for Cormier's striking over Fedor's? , lmao, good luck. The man is a walking punching bag. Fedor was considered one of the most elusive strikers in MMA, with a very low number of strikes absorbed per minute. He wasn't dropped or outstruck in 10 years. Go ahead, and make me laugh some more please.

I respect Mixfight, but he was talking all kinds of nonsense on that thread. He basicly said Fedor was lucky not to get choked out by Coleman (when he was clearly tucking his chin, raising his shoulders, controlling Coleman's arms) or killed by Randleman (when Fedor was trained to break a fall), lmao. If you effectively defend an attack, then you're not lucky, you're skilled. I know you want to see me losing an argument badly (because clearly you can't do it), but you need to calm down and stop being so bitter.

Oh and the fact that I don't train doesn't prevent me from knowing what I'm talking about. You can understand a sport by studying it. You can understand football, boxing, wrestling. etc. if you educate yourself. I know people who roll (bjj) and they don't have anywhere near the understanding of the MMA ground game that I have. Just look at you. You claim to train and yet you think Fedor is warming up his hips when he's clearly showing how to perform armbar from bottom. Clearly training hasn't helped you at all, lol.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

What you don't get is this simple fact: There will ALWAYS be idiots like CLAUDE who will make posts discrediting great fighters, after their glory days are long gone. In 7 years, a new idiot will rise and shit on DC and Stipe, talking about how overrated they were, and how they could never compete with current top HW fighters.

The reason it's so weak is because these idiots (like Claude and many others on here) know that Fedor and all the other past greats cannot do anything about his shit-talking. They are human beings, and once they're old, there is not getting back their former glory. I could make a post about any great fighter from years ago, and how they were completely overrated and could never compete with the "new breed" of fighters. But that's complete shit. There's no evidence to suggest there is any truth in that claim at all.

I like you.

 

[TR1]

All this crying about :the current guys not getting their due".

Look, facts don't lie. The facts are Stipe's entire record (sans Ngannu), or I should say, his entire recent run is based on ancient guys.

If you think a bunch of guys who were top 10s ten+ years ago show "how much the division has evolved", you are clueless.

Stipe is a nice guy, he is a decent fighter. Good even. But we really don't how how "great" he is, because all he has shown against guys who are not washed up is a Homer Simpsons esque punching defense and above average toughness.

Reminder: the average age of his opponents since Struve laid him out is over 37.
LOL @ that being impressive.

 

[Bubblun]

Oh and the fact that I don't train doesn't prevent me from knowing what I'm talking about. You can understand a sport by studying it. You can understand football, boxing, wrestling. etc. if you educate yourself. I know people who roll (bjj) and they don't have anywhere near the understanding of the MMA ground game that I have. Just look at you. You claim to train and yet you think Fedor is warming up his hips when he's clearly showing how to perform armbar from bottom. Clearly training hasn't helped you at all, lol.

Nope, that's Dunning Kruger effect.
You think you understand what you are seeing, but you don't.

I respect Mixfight, but he was talking all kinds of nonsense on that thread. He basicly said Fedor was lucky not to get choked out by Coleman (when he was clearly tucking his chin, raising his shoulders, controlling Coleman's arms) or killed by Randleman (when Fedor was trained to break a fall), lmao. If you effectively defend an attack, then you're not lucky, you're skilled. I know you want to see me losing an argument badly (because clearly you can't do it), but you need to calm down and stop being so bitter.

You don't get dropped on your head just because "you can break fall", that's very stupid.

Also both Coleman and Randleman both put Fedor in bad spots, but they had not the skills to not get finished like idiots.
Cormier would put Fedor in a bad spot and keep him there, or make him work a lot.

You want to make a case for Cormier's striking over Fedor's? , lmao, good luck. The man is a walking punching bag. Fedor was considered one of the most elusive strikers in MMA, with a very low number of strikes absorbed per minute. He wasn't dropped or outstruck in 10 years. Go ahead, and make me laugh some more please.

Cormier is also one of the most elusive fighters ever.
He only lost rounds against Jones and one round against Stipe and Gus, barely got hit in all his other fights.

I'm not changing my narrative, you just have very poor comprehension skills. If you subbed a fighter then obviously, you did not lose to him, lol. My point has always been that DC doesn't have enough skills to beat Fedor on the ground, and that his weaknesses match up perfectly with Fedor's strengths. I'm sure Fedor would either sweep him or ambar him. If he leaves his arm where he always do, then he gets armabarred 100%.

For the last time, again with this armbar thing, because I said what it needed to be said about it 2 years ago.

This armbar that you posted 2 years ago



is a surprise attack, Danaher calls it "speed based method".
You surprise someone, you catch him.
Too bad that to surprise someone that is good and knows that you have a good armbar, the chances are close to 0%.



50 seconds in this video
"At a beginner level this is fine ... at an advanced level this is not going to work, because there is no control of my opponent's head"



Galvao says the same thing, you have to control the posture or it isn't realistic.

This is stuff I said to you already 2 years ago buddy

5 nightmare HW match-ups for Daniel Cormier (past & present)

Then you said that Fedor would armbar Cormier because Cormier kept "laying one of his arms on his opponent's torso".

I said to you that was called "inside position", Cormier has actually the upper hand in this picture.
To escape a potential armbar he just has to "watch the ceiling" and pull his arm, easy to do.

Then I asked you to "explain to us what Cormier is doing wrong in the pictures you posted and what should be the correct posture to have in the closed guard (this should be fun)."
But you chickened out.

So, 2 years later, what is the correct posture a fighter should have in the closed guard?
Honest question, since you are an expert in fighting (having studied countless fights on youtube without having trained a day in your life).
School me master.

 

[spardeous]

I mean, this isn't even a new argument - remember the 'nu-breeds'? So much bullshit about how Lesnar, Cain, and JDS were 'unlikely anything ever seen before'.

Fedor in his prime was on another level. The only fighter who can even approach his legacy in my view is GSP. Silva was worth considering as well - before he got caught cheating, anyways.

If Jones's record was totally unblemished, he'd be #1. But instead of his (much worse) violations getting him basically kicked out of MMA like what they did with Nick Diaz, it seems like the USADA is just content to let him cheat('pulse') now. Not only that, but Jones won't move up to HW for some reason, where he doesn't possess the safety of being able to tag his opponents a football field away.

DC is elite, but he came into the game late and past his physical prime. He's always been an underdog because he's so small - natural LHW - but he's just getting too old. I was talking with my brother about the 2nd Stipe fight and was telling him that I thought this one would be much difficult for him because Stipe's natural tools are so much better and he'd be more well-adjusted to DC's style, plus he's still much younger.

 

[Claude]

Nope, that's Dunning Kruger effect.
You think you understand what you are seeing, but you don't.

Is that why you called an armbar lesson that was teaching technique and positioning a "warm-up for the hips"?

Clearly, you did not undertand what you were seeing, lol.

You don't get dropped on your head just because "you can break fall", that's very stupid.

Also both Coleman and Randleman both put Fedor in bad spots, but they had not the skills to not get finished like idiots.
Cormier would put Fedor in a bad spot and keep him there, or make him work a lot.

No, you do not get dropped on your head because you know how to break fall (lol), but you can make the fall a lot less damaging if you have been trained for it. Fedor was a judo national medalist. He knew he had to stay relaxed and tuck his chin. Not to mention he was very flexible.

If a suplex could have severly injured a 2004 Fedor, it would have been that. That was one of the most brutal suplexes ever, and guess what? it didn't even faze Fedor. That should tell you everything.

"It didn't affect me. I train to fall great distances." Fedor on the suplex.

Luck? not by any means. If you think Fedor survived because of luck then you're clueless.

And about DC putting Fedor on a bad position, again, why would he do that to Fedor when he failed to do the same to lesser grapplers? Back up your claims, or admit it's just your uneducated opinion.

Cormier is also one of the most elusive fighters ever.
He only lost rounds against Jones and one round against Stipe and Gus, barely got hit in all his other fights.

He's one of the most elusive fighters despite eating over 200 punches in his last fight? Despite being clueless on how to defend body shots? despite getting hurt by Gus, AJ, Jones, an old A. Silva, Miocic?

See? That's why nobody take you seriously, lol.

For the last time, again with this armbar thing, because I said what it needed to be said about it 2 years ago.

This armbar that you posted 2 years ago

.

If we're going to have this argument again, then you need to man up and accept you were wrong about Fedor's armbar lesson being a warm-up for the hips (still makes me lol). That's why I stopped refuting your nonsense in that old thread in the first place. Once you showed me you were completely delusional, then there was no point in continuing.

Seriously,why would I argue with someone who can't accept facts? It's like arguing with someone who can't accept 2+2=4. It doesn't matter if I prove you wrong, you'll still come up with some delusional claim. Actually, you're already doing that on this thread and several people have called you out on it.

Man up, admit you were wrong, admit you made a delusional claim. Then we can talk about the rest.

Cheers.​

 

[Claude]

All this crying about :the current guys not getting their due".

Look, facts don't lie. The facts are Stipe's entire record (sans Ngannu), or I should say, his entire recent run is based on ancient guys.

If you think a bunch of guys who were top 10s ten+ years ago show "how much the division has evolved", you are clueless.

Stipe is a nice guy, he is a decent fighter. Good even. But we really don't how how "great" he is, because all he has shown against guys who are not washed up is a Homer Simpsons esque punching defense and above average toughness.

Reminder: the average age of his opponents since Struve laid him out is over 37.
LOL @ that being impressive.

Not only the HW division has not evolved at all, but it has clearly regressed considerably.

Seriously, in mid 2000's, the Pride HW division alone had arguably the most devastating striker in MMA, arguably the best grappler and the #1 p4p fighter in the world. All in one division.

 

[YouCrazyIntheHeadMan]

Funny thread! however despite your point stipe and cormier would murk fedor and crocop.. might be a little closer if those last two can use PEDS pride style!

 

[Bubblun]

Is that why you called an armbar lesson that was teaching technique and positioning a "warm-up for the hips"?

Clearly, you did not undertand what you were seeing, lol.



No, you do not get dropped on your head because you know how to break fall (lol), but you can make the fall a lot less damaging if you have been trained for it. Fedor was a judo national medalist. He knew he had to stay relaxed and tuck his chin. Not to mention he was very flexible.

If a suplex could have severly injured a 2004 Fedor, it would have been that. That was one of the most brutal suplexes ever, and guess what? it didn't even faze Fedor. That should tell you everything.

"It didn't affect me. I train to fall great distances." Fedor on the suplex.

Luck? not by any means. If you think Fedor survived because of luck then you're clueless.

And about DC putting Fedor on a bad position, again, why would he do that to Fedor when he failed to do the same to lesser grapplers? Back up your claims, or admit it's just your uneducated opinion.



He's one of the most elusive fighters despite eating over 200 punches in his last fight? Despite being clueless on how to defend body shots? despite getting hurt by Gus, AJ, Jones, an old A. Silva, Miocic?

See? That's why nobody take you seriously, lol.



If we're going to have this argument again, then you need to man up and accept you were wrong about Fedor's armbar lesson being a warm-up for the hips (still makes me lol). That's why I stopped refuting your nonsense in that old thread in the first place. Once you showed me you were completely delusional, then there was no point in continuing.

Seriously,why would I argue with someone who can't accept facts? It's like arguing with someone who can't accept 2+2=4. It doesn't matter if I prove you wrong, you'll still come up with some delusional claim. Actually, you're already doing that on this thread and several people have called you out on it.

Man up, admit you were wrong, admit you made a delusional claim. Then we can talk about the rest.

Cheers.​

I didn't said that Fedor was warming up his hips, I said that the armbar he showed is used mostly as a warm up, because it isn't realistic to submit your opponent without controlling his posture.
Is had a subscription to Galvao site, he said the same thing, the armbar without controlling the posture is used as a drill, if you want to submit someone good you have to go for an high guard/top lock.

Funny that you continue to say that to avoid giving a reply, but you are willing to reply on every other topic, pretty sure you know you put yourself in trouble.

So, or you tell me the proper posture to have in closed guard top or you are full of shit.
Not that I really need confirmation that you are full of shit, I know you are, I am just having fun.

 

[Claude]

I didn't said that Fedor was warming up his hips, I said that the armbar he showed is used mostly as a warm up, because it isn't realistic to submit your opponent without controlling his posture.
Is had a subscription to Galvao site, he said the same thing, the armbar without controlling the posture is used as a drill, if you want to submit someone good you have to go for an high guard/top lock.

Funny that you continue to say that to avoid giving a reply, but you are willing to reply on every other topic, pretty sure you know you put yourself in trouble.

So, or you tell me the proper posture to have in closed guard top or you are full of shit.
Not that I really need confirmation that you are full of shit, I know you are, I am just having fun.

Don't try to spin it. You said he was doing a drill to warm up the hips:

"That's Fedor armbar in a drill that everybody uses before training in every judo and bjj academy, just to warm up the hips".

Man up.

 

[Claude]

I didn't said that Fedor was warming up his hips, I said that the armbar he showed is used mostly as a warm up, because it isn't realistic to submit your opponent without controlling his posture.
Is had a subscription to Galvao site, he said the same thing, the armbar without controlling the posture is used as a drill, if you want to submit someone good you have to go for an high guard/top lock.

Funny that you continue to say that to avoid giving a reply, but you are willing to reply on every other topic, pretty sure you know you put yourself in trouble.

So, or you tell me the proper posture to have in closed guard top or you are full of shit.
Not that I really need confirmation that you are full of shit, I know you are, I am just having fun.

Also, back up your claim that DC is one of the most elusive fighters in MMA. Bring stats and everything.

Cheers.​