Good fighters with poor records

[quantiqus]

I am thinking of

- Matt Brown (21-16)
- Tito Ortiz (18-12)
- Diego Sanchez (27-11)
- BJ Penn (16-12)
- Frank Mir (18-11)

Others?

 

[loyalyolayal]

Ninja
Jorge Santiago
Kazushi Sakuraba

 

[AimedWithV]

I am thinking of

- Matt Brown (21-16)
- Tito Ortiz (18-12)
- Diego Sanchez (27-11)
- BJ Penn (16-12)
- Frank Mir (18-11)

Others?

Pretty much every top 10 of every division, with few exceptions.

Success in MMA has very little to do with records.

 

[DoctorNick]

WMMA and GSP

 

[Kingz]

Mark Hunt

13-11-1

Probably fought only 2 cans his entire career..one of which he lost to

 

[Franc Mittelo]

How can you call yourself a good surgeon if half the people you cut open, die in the operating room? LOL

 

[DocK]

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Randy Couture, what was he, 19-10 or something, but less than a handful not main events I believe.

 

[Kingz]

How can you call yourself a good surgeon if half the people you cut open, die in the operating room? LOL

Because that’s a shit analogy from a shit poster

 

[Marty777]

One of the best to ever do it

 

[D4C]

How can you call yourself a good surgeon if half the people you cut open, die in the operating room? LOL

If you are brain surgeon operating some of the most difficult brain cancers with like 1 to 25% chance of success and you succeed in over half of them, you are definitely elite and will be paid tons of money (MMA analogy). If you are just some basic surgeon guy and your patient dies while you remove his toenails, your career is pretty much over (boxing analogy).

 

[Captain Tight]

Nate Diaz has to be the first one that comes to mind. Either he's vastly overrated by his fans, or he's largely underachieved throughout his career.

 

[DRMZ]

Nate Diaz
Rory McDonald
Gilbert Melendez
Chael Sonnen

 

[DRMZ]

Nate Diaz has to be the first one that comes to mind. Either he's vastly overrated by his fans, or he's largely underachieved throughout his career.

Came here to post this. Both himself and Nicks inability to adapt to leg kicks and learn to wrestle.

 

[TheLastEmperorReurns]

How can you call yourself a good surgeon if half the people you cut open, die in the operating room? LOL

If the people's conditions are severe to point of surgery being unlikely to save them and yet the surgeon is good enough to save more than half of them.

Or if most of the deaths occur in the beginning of the surgeons career but he improves his success rate over time and others regard him as a good surgeon for his greatest triumphs at his best times

 

[VanMMA]

Ken Shamrock

 

[IsNormal]

- BJ Penn (16-12)

I was gonna excuse him because was 15-5-1 before his losing streak, and it feels like he's been on such a slide lately that he's not himself anymore.
But on the other hand, it was perhaps only the last 2 losses that he was really over the hill.
Most of the other fights he just faced such stiff competition, that he probably would've lost anyway, I doubt he could beat Frankie and Rory.

Rory McDonald

Poor - how?
He's 20-4 with wins over 2012-Bj Penn, Maia, Woodley, Daley, Lima

 

[Franc Mittelo]

Because that’s a shit analogy from a shit poster

How?

 

[12ga.]

Nate Diaz, MJ, John Dodson, Clay Guida and many more.

 

[IsNormal]

Nate Marquardt 35–19–2
Clay Guida 34–17

But on the other hand, maybe these records aren't that bad.
When you've reached +30 wins, it's only natural to have +15 losses.
Matt Brown's 21-16 looks way worse.

The more I think about it, maybe these records are a pretty accurate match for the level I think Marquardt and Guida are at.