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aerius said:
You do realize that foreign in the context of VAERS refers to the foreign territories of the US along with other holdings such as military bases.
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As they note:
  • VAERS occasionally receives case reports from US manufacturers that were reported to their foreign subsidiaries. Under FDA regulations, if a manufacturer is notified of a foreign case report that describes an event that is both serious and unexpected (in other words, it does not appear in the product labeling), they are required to submit it to VAERS. It is important to realize that these case reports are of variable data quality and completeness, due to the many differences in country reporting practices and surveillance system quality.
  • The "United States, Territories and Unknown" group includes all of the location values, except for "Foreign" locations. Before the December 17, 2009 data release, this group was named "United States and Territories" and the group excluded both "Unknown" and "Foreign" locations.
  • The "Foreign" group includes patients from any location other than those included in the drop down list.

Clearly they are not discussing US military installations. Furthermore, one can observe this if he actually studies the database. In fact, VAERS list US territories (ex. Guam) separately in their database from "Foreign". Yet further, it would nevertheless be irrelevant if only discussing US citizens abroad or not because those cases recorded in foreign countries show up under COVID totals for the respective countries (as do vaccinations administered).

"Foreign" makes roughly half of all reports. This ratio is staggering, and grossly out of alignment with all other case reports between all US states/territories and "Foreign".
SBJJ said:
VAERS is not international dude.
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PhitePhan said:
Derp
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Wadtucket said:
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That's a KO bruvva​
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Fauci mentioned 2 things

1. We can have Halloween this year since its outdoors and due to declining Delta (thanks to vaccinations)

2. We are still not yet ready to remove masks indoor, at least throughout this year


 
Madmick said:
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As they note:
  • VAERS occasionally receives case reports from US manufacturers that were reported to their foreign subsidiaries. Under FDA regulations, if a manufacturer is notified of a foreign case report that describes an event that is both serious and unexpected (in other words, it does not appear in the product labeling), they are required to submit it to VAERS. It is important to realize that these case reports are of variable data quality and completeness, due to the many differences in country reporting practices and surveillance system quality.
  • The "United States, Territories and Unknown" group includes all of the location values, except for "Foreign" locations. Before the December 17, 2009 data release, this group was named "United States and Territories" and the group excluded both "Unknown" and "Foreign" locations.
  • The "Foreign" group includes patients from any location other than those included in the drop down list.

Clearly they are not discussing US military installations. Furthermore, one can observe this if he actually studies the database. In fact, VAERS list US territories (ex. Guam) separately in their database from "Foreign". Yet further, it would nevertheless be irrelevant if only discussing US citizens abroad or not because those cases recorded in foreign countries show up under COVID totals for the respective countries (as do vaccinations administered).

"Foreign" makes roughly half of all reports. This ratio is staggering, and grossly out of alignment with all other case reports between all US states/territories and "Foreign".



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We're actually both wrong on the foreign data. Turns out it actually refers to this:
https://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/help/vaers/VAERS Advisory Guide.htm
VAERS occasionally receives case reports from US manufacturers that were reported to their foreign subsidiaries. Under FDA regulations, if a manufacturer is notified of a foreign case report that describes an event that is both serious and unexpected (in other words, it does not appear in the product labeling), they are required to submit it to VAERS. It is important to realize that these case reports are of variable data quality and completeness, due to the many differences in country reporting practices and surveillance system quality.

Since we don't know where those subsidiaries are for all the vaccine manufacturers in question, we'll leave them aside and use the US only data.

As of now there's just over 400 million doses of covid vaccines put into arms in the US and about 7400 associated deaths. Flu vaccines is around 170 million doses per year and 25 deaths on average, scale that to 400 million doses and you'll have a bit under 60 deaths. Death rate from the covid vaccines is well over 100 times worse than flu vaccines. Perfectly safe comrade, nothing to worry about here. It's only a 1 in 54,000 chance of death, which, incidentally, is about the same odds as dying from covid for my particular demographic. Sounds like a great deal, sign me up!
 
aerius said:
We're actually both wrong on the foreign data. Turns out it actually refers to this:
https://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/help/vaers/VAERS Advisory Guide.htm
VAERS occasionally receives case reports from US manufacturers that were reported to their foreign subsidiaries. Under FDA regulations, if a manufacturer is notified of a foreign case report that describes an event that is both serious and unexpected (in other words, it does not appear in the product labeling), they are required to submit it to VAERS. It is important to realize that these case reports are of variable data quality and completeness, due to the many differences in country reporting practices and surveillance system quality.

Since we don't know where those subsidiaries are for all the vaccine manufacturers in question, we'll leave them aside and use the US only data.

As of now there's just over 400 million doses of covid vaccines put into arms in the US and about 7400 associated deaths. Flu vaccines is around 170 million doses per year and 25 deaths on average, scale that to 400 million doses and you'll have a bit under 60 deaths. Death rate from the covid vaccines is well over 100 times worse than flu vaccines. Perfectly safe comrade, nothing to worry about here. It's only a 1 in 54,000 chance of death, which, incidentally, is about the same odds as dying from covid for my particular demographic. Sounds like a great deal, sign me up!
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No, you're wrong. You and you alone. I just quoted that precise passage to you. I don't need you to parrot it back to me to try to save face.

As the CDC tells you in the VAERS description they will take reports from anyone. Not just US citizens. It's a national database, but it's intended to be a watchdog servicing the American people for any drugs which are sold or manufactured in the US, and subject to approval by the FDA. That's why they'll track data filed on foreign cases. The point of the system is to verify the safety of these drugs, and any data shared with them is amenable to that goal.
 
Madmick said:
No, you're wrong. You and you alone. I just quoted that precise passage to you. I don't need you to parrot it back to me to try to save face.

As the CDC tells you in the VAERS description they will take reports from anyone. Not just US citizens. It's a national database, but it's intended to be a watchdog servicing the American people for any drugs which are sold or manufactured in the US, and subject to approval by the FDA. That's why they'll track data filed on foreign cases. The point of the system is to verify the safety of these drugs, and any data shared with them is amenable to that goal.
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Let's go back to this post which I responded to:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/166311306/
I see you mentioned the USA. The figure in those charts isn't for the USA alone. And that's the strangest thing. Did you notice? Have you looked at the data? Over half over the reports-- roughly 11 out of 20-- come from inside the USA itself despite that USA accounts for fewer than 15% of the world's total vaccine doses.

Your statement implies that VAERS takes foreign data from every nation in the entire world. This is demonstrably false, as it only covers reports made to foreign subsidiaries of US manufacturers. I'm sure the PRC, DRC and DPRK are dutifully reporting to Moderna's foreign offices and having their reports entered into the VAERS database. Either way, it's a useless sidetrack which I'm not going to continue.

And it doesn't change the fact that based on the US only data, the covid vaccines have an adverse effects and death rate which is orders of magnitude worse than the other vaccines which we have in common use.
 


They are developing a vaccine for 6 months, should make most parents happy

 
PhitePhan said:
So, polling shows that 2/3 or parents won’t vaccinate their child?

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There IS hope, after all!
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Those are for waitlist-parents.

The other 32% of wait and see will no longer "wait" once the FDA approves the EUA

Only 24% said they will not get their kids the vaccine

About a third of parents say they want to vaccinate their 5-to-11-year-old children “right away” once a coronavirus vaccine is available for that age group, according to a report from the Kaiser Family Foundation.


In the KFF Vaccine Monitor report, published Thursday, 32 percent say they would “wait and see” while 24 percent say they will “definitely not” have their children get vaccinated. Seven percent say they will do so only if required.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/30/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/
 
maximus__ said:
In Australia? We just had a 2 week shutdown in one state. That's what I am referring to.I never said I agree with it, but a small group started to violently protest and people got caught up in it. Never mind the fact the construction industry was able to work throuugh the whole pandemic in the state previously, whilst other businesses had to shut and they said nothing until it was about them only.

They were shut down because they were being audited by work safe, got caught multiple times not following the site plans RE:Covid and made up 3/4 of the daily cases each day. They were then warned if they didn't start they would be shut down for a period and a bunch of idiots refused to do it, so they said screw it we will just vaccinate you all instead to take it out of your hands. I don't agree with it, but they have been given multiple chances because the state government (Labor) has most of their power and voting base as tradies due to their original fight for union rights. The majoiryt of the union base support vaccinations. You had an outlier of about 500 of a union about 144,000 strong.

Maybe read the full thing before you comment.
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ah. thx. i get whats happening in australia now. yall basically daid bugger off to one or 2 your states...so anything goes in them to stop the spread , while everyone else goes about their day. Cant agree with that though mate. itd be one thing to simply cut anyone fron those two states grom traveling around the country. like. I can understand that. but the other stuff…
 
Queen B said:
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Good thing this will never be law, flaunt your health recommendations all you want though, my kids are healthy as horses and will never need a junk vaccine that lasts half as long as natural immunity.
Funny you people think u can get a shot and never get sick again, unfortunately its part of life and you're only fucking up your own immune system, getting sick actually boosts the immune system but lets forget all we've learned before china virus derp
 
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