Social Gina Carano tosses her hat into social media politics #fireginacorano trends

[IGIT]

Well she's entitled to her opinion.

hi Neph,

she is, 100%.

working for Disney, though, isn't a constitutional right.

- IGIT

 

[BAM]

hiya BAM,

is this true, though? i remember having a long back-'n-forth with Jack V Savage on this topic.

i went to Tisch (NYU). i still remember talking with John Cusack as i headed to my class - and everyone i knew was pretty liberal in their worldview.

Deniro...Sarandon...Penn...Spielberg...Hanks...etc.

to my way of thinking, the rightwingers in the performing arts were mostly the exception, not the rule.

- IGIT

Of that crew you named, they didn't come into prominence until the 80s for the most part and outside of Spielberg, have no real power. When did Sean Penn and De Niro start getting publicly mouthy about politics? Perhaps the 2000s? After the old guard died or faded away. Sean Penn's father was one of the people blacklisted for suspected communist ties.

The real power in Hollywood is held by the studios, which are driven by corporations seeking profits, like Disney, not a leftist idealism.

 

[tdluxon]

Go cry someplace else. Perhaps you need a safe space. If I have to listen to your idiotic opinions why can’t a celeb have their opinions as well??


I’d much rather hear from them than a regular idiot person.

Calm down sour puss. I don’t care about her opinion, what I said was that when you’re a public figure and you post controversial stuff, regardless of the topic, you are practically guaranteed to piss someone off, and now she’s potentially going to get fired. They’re better off just staying out of it.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

When did the right start cancel culture? Genuinely interested.

I said in another thread. They may not have started it, but one of the earliest I can remember was the Dixie chicks getting canceled for not agreeing with the second Iraq invasion. That was in 03 I think. Can’t pretend this is something new.

 

[IGIT]

Of that crew you named, they didn't come into prominence until the 80s for the most part and outside of Spielberg, have no real power. When did Sean Penn and De Niro start getting publicly mouthy about politics? Perhaps the 2000s? After the old guard died or faded away.

The real power in Hollywood is held by the studios, which are driven by corporations seeking profits, like Disney, not a leftist idealism.

hiya BAM,

over the last half century haven't most of the leading performers in Hollywood leaned to the left?

i'll have to think a little about the 70's. Pacino was a conservative? Dustin Hoffman? Jane Fonda? Streep? Gene Hackman, who has said he was embarrassed for not doing more during the Civil Rights movement? Francis Ford Coppola? Scorsese?

- IGIT

 

[BAM]

hiya BAM,

over the last half century haven't most of the leading performers in Hollywood leaned to the left?

i'll have to think a little about the 70's. Pacino was a conservative? Dustin Hoffman? Jane Fonda? Streep? Gene Hackman, who has said he was embarrassed for not doing more during the Civil Rights movement?

- IGIT

doesn't really matter what views they hold if the powers that be intimidate them into silence. Hollywood is more that just actors, it's the studios, the producers, the directors, the writers, etc.

Hollywood was ruled by the right, now it's ruled by corporations that will bend to the left if it makes financial sense to do so. And if the money goes another way, Hollywood will bend to that, as you can see when Hollywood bends to China's will. The actors will take on projects with corporations like Amazon or Apple and will do what they are told.

Really, the power driving Hollywood is ambivalent to politics and subservient to money.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Calm down sour puss. I don’t care about her opinion, what I said was that when you’re a public figure and you post controversial stuff, regardless of the topic, you are practically guaranteed to piss someone off, and now she’s potentially going to get fired. They’re better off just staying out of it.

She can enjoy Parler or whatever it’s called. She sucks any way and is a terrible actress. I hope she does get fired but for being a terrible actress.

 

[IGIT]

hi BAM again,

i hope you're not taking any of this personally. this is a fun topic.

doesn't really matter what views they hold if the powers that be intimidate them into silence. Hollywood is more that just actors, it's the studios, the producers, the directors, the writers, etc.

if you want to gloss over the names from the 1970's i cited for you off the top of my head, its alright with me.

*considers*

sure. its stunt men, makeup artists, grips, post production crews, craft services, etc. i know this.

i still don't get that Hollywood is a fulcum for right wingers.

Hollywood was ruled by the right, now it's ruled by corporations that will bend to the left if it makes financial sense to do so. And if the money goes another way, Hollywood will bend to that, as you can see when Hollywood bends to China's will. Really, the power driving Hollywood is ambivalent to politics and subservient to money.

Hollywood is a place where performing artists - along with the associated fields - gather to earn a living. if they can, they try to make a good living...and if its possible, they try to maintain a very good living.

i don't quite get how that makes it a marketplace for conservatives.

- IGIT

 

[rearnakedchoke]

When did the right start cancel culture? Genuinely interested.

I mean. We can even go back to when the beatles said they were more popular than Jesus. The religious went nuts. Particularly in the US.

 

[BAM]

hi BAM again,

i hope you're not taking any of this personally. this is a fun topic.



if you want to gloss over the names from the 1970's i cited for you off the top of my head, its alright with me.

*considers*

sure. its stunt men, makeup artists, grips, post production crews, craft services, etc. i know this.

i still don't get that Hollywood is a fulcum for right wingers.



Hollywood is a place where performing artists - along with the associated fields - gather to earn a living. if they can, they try to make a good living...and if its possible, they try to maintain a very good living.

i don't quite get how that makes it a marketplace for conservatives.

- IGIT

Well, you are misunderstanding me and what I consider "Hollywood".

To me, Hollywood, at its core, is the studios, not the actors, due to their power and control and what they want determines everything else.

Historically, these studios supported blackballing of socialists and propped up conservative values, however, that started to change with the New Hollywood movement of the 70s and what projects they greenlit.

When Hollywood turned corporate, it became less political and more concerned with money. The money currently leans left, therefore the actors are given the space to be left leaning publically as well as the directors and the projects that are financed.

But, if the money leans right again, Hollywood will support that and you'll see a shift in the behaviours and expressions of the actors, to what it was.

Hollywood is now apolitical, the actors are left and will express themselves as such, provided they are allowed to do so without punishment.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Bill Oreilly in his typical scumbag ways said the Dixie Chicks should be slapped around for giving their opinions on the war. That’s what a good “party of family values” guy thought about it and how he valued free speech.


Now looking back at it, the Dixie chicks were 100% correct and Bill did turn out to be a woman beater. It just happened to be his wife. He also sexually harassed many many girls over the years as well.

Time really is the great kick in the balls.

 

[Whippy McGee]

The Cancel Culture of the Left is going to bite them in the ass in ways they never thought could happen.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Bill Oreilly in his typical scumbag ways said the Dixie Chicks should be slapped around for giving their opinions on the war. That’s what a good “party of family values” guy thought about it and how he valued free speech.


Now looking back at it, the Dixie chicks were 100% correct and Bill did turn out to be a woman beater. It just happened to be his wife. He also sexually harassed many many girls over the years as well.

Time really is the great kick in the balls.

I never heard Bill O'Reilly say something like that. Do you have an exact quote?

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

I never heard Bill O'Reilly say something like that. Do you have an exact quote?

There’s not much you remember.

 

[Staph infection]

eh, the US right wing cancelled the Dixie Chicks during the GWB era for making a political statement at a concert. It's not as though it's above it.

The right has also engaged in organised boycotts of products over the decades for political reasons. Same shit.

So we use an isolated incident from over a decade ago as a way to justify how anyone right leaning today is cancelled? They were not really cancelled and the issue now is right leaning people are completely de-platformed.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Here’s a great video of all Republican chuds showing their “family values.” Jesus especially would be proud of them. The best is how time proved them all wrong. Doubt we’ll hear an apology coming from the “moral majority” anytime soon.

 

[BAM]

So we use an isolated incident from over a decade ago as a way to justify how anyone right leaning today is cancelled? They were not really cancelled and the issue now is right leaning people are completely de-platformed.

Are you specifically talking about entertainers? Or people in general.

 

[Bojka]

Gina is very brave.

 

[Graves The Elder]

Gina is very brave.

and fierce..

 

[IGIT]

hiya BAM again!

Well, you are misunderstanding me and what I consider "Hollywood".

To me, Hollywood, at its core, is the studios, not the actors, due to their power and control and what they want determines everything else.

Historically, these studios supported blackballing of socialists and propped up conservative values, however, that started to change with the New Hollywood movement of the 70s and what projects they greenlit.

if you're citing the blacklisting that occurred at the height of the "red scare" when McCarthyism was at its peak, sure. that wasn't a historical trend, though. it was an outlier.

When Hollywood turned corporate, it became less political and more concerned with money. The money currently leans left, therefore the actors are given the space to be left leaning publically as well as the directors and the projects that are financed.

But, if the money leans right again, Hollywood will support that and you'll see a shift in the behaviours and expressions of the actors, to what it was.

Hollywood is now apolitical, the actors are left and will express themselves as such, provided they are allowed to do so without punishment.

corporations attempt to make money. to me, that doesn't make the entity liberal or conservative - its unrelated.

hollywood (i'm speaking broadly here) is peopled by folks who generally lean to the left. if we're talking about megamillion dollar tentpole efforts, i see Hollywood as agnostic - its primary goal is to not offend anyone and to cater to the audiences tastes.

IE - when the lynching of black people becomes accepted and normalized, maybe we'll see a film that celebrates that sort of thing...but i wouldn't hold your breath.

- IGIT