GGG vs Canelo = Robbery of the year candidate?

[Metal_Daze]

It's really a question of perspective. Most Mexican analysts had Canelo winning...

 

[randomg1t]

Not all power punches are the same

and neither are all jabs. golovkin's jab is harder than some people's powerpunches.

the fact of the matter is neither had much of an advantage in power shots landed. they both pack a ton of power.

 

[BoxMeIrl]

Yep, People tended to watch these things with emotion and get a "feel" of the overall fight rather than tracking it round by round. Oddly enough, Byrd's card is the closest one to what I consider the actual result.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Was a good fight but GGG won pretty comfortably. Adalaide Byrd should not only never judge again but she should probably end up in prison.

Absolutely disgusting.

You know, I don't think this is the first time I've seen Byrd turn in an inexcusable scorecard. I know I've seen her name on some other very, very suspect scores.

 

[lfd0311]

I've seen multiple people commend Canelo for his clean shots and here you are stating he hurt GGG but within the same sentence said he kept coming forward. Explain how GGG was hurt if he was able to continue walking Canelo down and pinning him in the corner?

I can't remember if it's in the 4th or the 6th, but Canelo hits GGG with a hook and wobbles him and GGG does this weird little like half dance move, half weird karate stance thing like he's pretending he's not hurt and circles away from Canelo for about 10 -15 seconds until he recovers. Then he gets wobbled again in the 10th and tries playing it off like he's off balance. His recovery rate is impressive. Also, if you get cleanly with a straight right to the face while you're trying to press in on a guy and it not only stops your forward progress but knocks you back a step, you can bet that put your brain on pause for a second or two, and Canelo did that to GGG more than once in the fight. But GGG is tough as nails and just kept his game face on and came forward.

 

[Rico]

Canelo's defense against the ropes was amazing. The only time GGG ever really got combinations off was when Canelo just lay against the ropes, and even then he didn't really get through. I don't think Canelo understood how long GGG could keep that up though, and once he let GGG inside he couldn't get reset to a distance he was comfortable at and just kept getting swarmed. GGG did really start to beat him up affectively in like 6 and 7 which were the only clear cut GGG rounds of the fight in my opinion. The entire rest of the fight is dependent on what you look for when scoring. The only controversy whatsoever in this fight that I can see is the 118-110. 115-113 GGG is a perfectly acceptable score. I had it 115-114 Canelo with the 3rd round even. Had I given that to GGG I'd have had it 114-114 as well, so there is zero controversy in the other two cards. A lot of fight fans don't really kniow what their looking at anymore.

I think it's that they don't understand that there isn't just one way to box. Some guys are pressure fighters, some guys are counter punchers, some guys are volume punchers etc and some guys are a mix of a few different things. You don't get rewarded just because you're a pressure fighter, if that was the case then why wouldn't everyone just box like that? I mean Floyd made an ATG career for himself by not walking people down constantly....well except when he beat up Conor lol.

GGG was effective with his pressure, landing more clean shots in most of the middle rounds. GGG was ineffective with his pressure in most of the rest of the fight.

Canelo was ineffective countering and standing his ground and driving ggg back a decent bit and landing clean shots in the middle rounds. He was effective in most of the rest of the fight.

It was a close fight.

People are effectively saying that Canelo would have had to have magically turned into Roman Gonzalez and forced GGG into the Philly shell on the backfoot in order to win the fight and that's just silly. Both guys were about equally effective in what they do and bring to the table.

 

[Seano]

I've seen multiple people commend Canelo for his clean shots and here you are stating he hurt GGG but within the same sentence said he kept coming forward. Explain how GGG was hurt if he was able to continue walking Canelo down and pinning him in the corner?

Very rarely was Golovkin able to get Canelo cornered and keep him there.

But either way, Golovkin is a good experienced fighter. Composure and focus are big parts of his game. Some fighters can keep going when they get hurt, some panic and go into survival mode.

I believe he was effected by Canelo's punches.

 

[stuff jones]

Which were literally all jabs.

Canelo out landed him in power punches let alone MUCH cleaner ones.

It qas a close fight that could have gone either way. No robbery.

What happened differently than you thought? If I remember, you had predicted Canelo would handle GGG easily.

I agree it wasn't a robbery. I had it 7-5 GGG. I think that Byrd card just made everyone especially pissy about the decision.

 

[BryanTheFighter]

118-110 is ridiculous though.

How could that judge have possibly given Canelo 10 rounds in that fight?
I am truly dumbfounded.
That is one of the single worst scorecards I have ever seen in MMA and boxing.
There is a rematch clause, so we'll get a rematch, and hopefully it’s anywhere but Nevada but I doubt it?

 

[Rico]

What happened differently than you thought? If I remember, you had predicted Canelo would handle GGG easily.

Yeah I thought he would win pretty wide. I think he's the more skilled boxer and that showed at various points but unfortunately just skill alone isn't the only thing that's gonna win you fights.

GGG pressure and pace were awesome and even though I assume canelo knew he couldn't take breaks mid fight and rest against the ropes before the fight, he really had no choice as GGG was just straight relentless. I honestly thought GGG was gonna run away with it until the 10th when it was playing out. Something I told to RR before GGG fight with Danny is that you constantly have to be pushing back at GGG otherwise he'll roll over you like an avalanche. Canelo did that very well early and pretty well late. Gave up a lot of ground and rounds mid fight by being passive and letting GGG set up on him on the ropes. Interested to see if he'll adjust in the rematch


Overall, I think both guys were damn effective in what they bring to the table and thought it was an awesome fight that could have gone either way with the judges.

 

[Rico]

118-110 is just silly. There's no justification for that.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Definitely NOT a robbery.

In many rounds GGG was the one coming forward, but Canelo was landing the cleaner, harder punches. I could see a draw, or 7-5 Canelo tbh.

To be clear, I did NOT see that, I saw GGG with a 7-5 win, but it was a great, close fight with one blind judge giving it the stench of corruption.

 

[Seano]

It's really a question of perspective. Most Mexican analysts had Canelo winning...

What were the average scores of the people of Kazakhstan?

 

[BEER]

I'm watching the fight now, after having seen all the outrage.

Into the 8th round, there are already 3-4 rounds that were razor thin. For GGG to be the "definite" winner, as I've seen a lot of posters professing, you'd have to give GGG every single razor close round. No problem if you do think he gets the better of the round, by a cunt hair, but so far, I'm not seeing GGG winning this fight "clearly".

 

[Seano]

How could that judge have possibly given Canelo 10 rounds in that fight?
I am truly dumbfounded.
That is one of the single worst scorecards I have ever seen in MMA and boxing.
There is a rematch clause, so we'll get a rematch, and hopefully it’s anywhere but Nevada but I doubt it?

Thats is a bad score but the result was on the nose. I think a draw was the correct result and a rematch will likely be made because of it.

 

[Throwin Bombs]

Very rarely was Golovkin able to get Canelo cornered and keep him there.

But either way, Golovkin is a good experienced fighter. Composure and focus are big parts of his game. Some fighters can keep going when they get hurt, some panic and go into survival mode.

I believe he was effected by Canelo's punches.

I don't disagree that he was affected by his punches, both men were. Canelo was able to back Golovkin up at different times during the fight so I don't deny that.

I think you are off on GGG not being able to corner Alvarez he had a lot of success in the middle to late rounds with this, which were in my opinion, GGG's most dominant rounds.

 

[XThe GreatestX]

Very rarely was Golovkin able to get Canelo cornered and keep him there.

But either way, Golovkin is a good experienced fighter. Composure and focus are big parts of his game. Some fighters can keep going when they get hurt, some panic and go into survival mode.

I believe he was effected by Canelo's punches.

hmmm I thought he did well in the middle rounds, in terms of working Canelo on the ropes,

 

[Throwin Bombs]

I can't remember if it's in the 4th or the 6th, but Canelo hits GGG with a hook and wobbles him and GGG does this weird little like half dance move, half weird karate stance thing like he's pretending he's not hurt and circles away from Canelo for about 10 -15 seconds until he recovers. Then he gets wobbled again in the 10th and tries playing it off like he's off balance. His recovery rate is impressive. Also, if you get cleanly with a straight right to the face while you're trying to press in on a guy and it not only stops your forward progress but knocks you back a step, you can bet that put your brain on pause for a second or two, and Canelo did that to GGG more than once in the fight. But GGG is tough as nails and just kept his game face on and came forward.

I think you are correct on those moments and Golovkin was phased by those shots, I just have a different idea in my head I guess when I hear the phrase "hurt him". There were big shots landed from both sides but I would not say either fighter was particularly hurt during it

 

[Seano]

hmmm I thought he did well in the middle rounds, in terms of working Canelo on the ropes,

Oh yeah, he won some rounds that way.

But I thought Canelo was slipping or blocking the majority of his punches.

 

[wilddeuces]

With a draw he keeps his belt and stays undefeated so I would not call it a robbery.

I also had it for GGG but a draw is not totally unreasonable imo.

Anyway we will likely get a rematch now which is awesome because the fight was sick.

Both will have the opportunity to make adjustments and the rematch might even be better than this one.

This pretty much says what I was thinking. I agree.

I do like what you said about adjustments but I also feel that the one big adjustment that makes the next fight more clear for Golovkin is that he simply needs to attack off his jab more. Canelo really couldn't generate much momentum during the fight when Gennady did that, and when Canelo tried to pick up some points along the ropes, Golovkin contained him by jabbing to set up his other work.

Really, a jab-centered attack, like we saw is not something Canelo can overcome often enough. The fight was sliding away from Alvarez and GGG let him back in the fight in those last three rounds when he went for the kill. Think about it. People keep talking about Canelo's adjustments, but they are all limited by his lack of offensive prowess - when he attacks his feet just a bit out of sync with his hands. If he tries to pressure GGG more he gets tired faster and doesn't really land that clean on GGG offensively as he does defensively. He never adjusted to that jab and I don't think he can. It's his bane, and it always has been.

I don't think a knockout for GGG is reasonable to expect. He is 35 and also, Canelo is that damn good defensively. Canelo can only get a stoppage by wearing down GGG's body.