Crime Get me Roger Stone (for obstruction, lying, and witness tampering) (SCO thread v. 28)

[foxnoob]

I’m pretty sure they were covering a event close by and saw the fbi/swat team which was unnecessary.

Hey thanks for being reasonable.

CNN has a local Miami bureau at 601 Brickell Key Drive. Every court house in the country has a beat reporter.

But idiots like @PHATV make assumptions like CNN had a 10 person crew down from NYC because they just have no clue how this stuff works.

 

[foxnoob]

lol @ "journalistic practices". I may know a little more than you give me credit for, but why don't you educate me as to why there would be a crew of a dozen CNN people (at a minimum) in front of his house an hour before the feds arrived. Luck? They've been there for months? C'mon, man.

Because they have a bureau in Miami you dolt. You never get out of the house do you? You aren't aware that large corporations have local offices all over the country? You also aren't aware that every court house has a local beat reporter, and that reporters talk to each other, even pay each other for tips?

That's as much as you get. If you want to still be too stupid and obtuse to understand how a news org gets a scoop, that's a you problem.

 

[Gandhi]

How many people have you arrested?
That was standard procedure for an arrest.
Stone committed crimes and you are more focused about CNN recording his arrest.

Normal person: "Another member of the Trump circle is arrested. Sure seems to be a lot of people in Trumps inner circle getting arrested. "
Trump Lickspittle: "Derp, CNN. CNN recorded it. Deep State, Hillary, Pizza, CNN, Bill is a rapist, CNN, Deep State, Fake News, TDS, CNN"
NP: "Are you OK"
TL : "CNN Bro!"

LOL at Pizza

 

[PHATV]

Lots of name calling. lol
Truth hurts, right @foxnoob, you ignorant fool? You know it all, right?
Perhaps I'm nearly 50 and have a childhood friend who is a national reporter for nearly 3 decades and might know more than you about how it works even though you worked as an intern for three weeks at your local NBC affiliate when you were in HS?
How about this? Fuck you, fuck off, and that's as much as you get, you stupid, obtuse, ignorant dolt. Done with you.
lol

 

[foxnoob]

Lots of name calling. lol
Truth hurts, right foxnoob, you ignorant fool? You know it all, right?
Perhaps I'm 50 and have a childhood friend who is a national reporter and might know more than you even though you worked as an intern for three weeks at your local NBC affiliate when you were in HS?
How about this? Fuck you, fuck off, and that's as much as you get, you stupid, obtuse, ignorant dolt. Done with you.
lol

You didn't have the balls to @ me or quote me but thanks for bowing out after admitting you know jack about journalism.

Posting your resume is the last grasp of the pissed off. I told you how it works, nobody cares who you think you know.

 

[PHATV]

Balls? It's the innerweb, buddy. I put the @ in because I forgot it, and there wasn't a post between us when I started typing so I didn't see the need to quote you. Enjoy your weekend, big balls.

 

[ShadowRun]

Hey thanks for being reasonable.

CNN has a local Miami bureau at 601 Brickell Key Drive. Every court house in the country has a beat reporter.

But idiots like @PHATV make assumptions like CNN had a 10 person crew down from NYC because they just have no clue how this stuff works.

I kind of was skeptical too but caught Ben Shaprio’s Podcast he told the right to stop being stupid like it’s some conspiracy and that CNN was covering some event really close by and saw the commotion and went and covered.

 

[PHATV]

I kind of was skeptical too but caught Ben Shaprio’s Podcast he told the right to stop being stupid like it’s some conspiracy and that CNN was covering some event really close by and saw the commotion and went and covered.

In the middle of the night? That would actually clear it up, were it to make sense. But what would they be covering at 4am or earlier to get to Stone's and set-up by 5am to cover a 6am raid? They were there waiting at 5am at his place. That's where it gets murky for me.

 

[Joe]

 

[ocfightfan]

Because they have a bureau in Miami you dolt. You never get out of the house do you? You aren't aware that large corporations have local offices all over the country? You also aren't aware that every court house has a local beat reporter, and that reporters talk to each other, even pay each other for tips?

That's as much as you get. If you want to still be too stupid and obtuse to understand how a news org gets a scoop, that's a you problem.

And that bureau just happens to be outside Stone's house? They just happened to be going out to find the news with their cameras rolling when the FBI swooped in? Wow. Such luck.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

There is no other explanation unless you want to get VERY creative. I'm not assuming anything, you have to make assumptions (at the very least---more like stick your head in the sand) to see it any other way.

Yes, there is, and I've stated it.
The simplest explanation by far is that they had people watching the residence.
I would be happy to look at a source, or to other outlets footage.

 

[MikeMcMann]

If he does I'll be thoroughly impressed by his courage of conviction, even though his conviction is loyalty to a criminal enterprise.

I just don't see it. It's far more likely that Stone is all bluster, he's a soft old fart who has no business trying to get along in jail.

I've never seen anything out of him to back up the claim that he's highly intelligent. He's actually handled himself quite poorly through this whole investigation. Smart people tend to not be so loud.

Is it your position that Stone will not be convicted?

I would have agreed with everything you say here until I just watched the documentary on him this thread is named after.

He comes across as such a cartoon character and clown that i predicted up thread he would break faster than Cohen did but I now don't see it.

He is a zealot and true believer in the nihilist path he has taken. He also appears highly intelligent particularly in understanding people's vulnerabilities. He also loves noterietary and you can actually see that he was always building things up to some type of inevitable clash of him and his political style versus the mainstream. I think he relishes the idea of being a martyr for the cause. He wants that notoriety of being the guy who the bad old system had to take down because he was a threat.

Maybe if he faces true life time sentencing behind bars he might change his ways but I think he would gladly take a few years and believe that see him live on through history in infamy. He wants to be someone in the political history books and as he says better a hated bad guy than a nobody.

 

[splendica]

Tucker Carlson nails it, again.

The most powerful person in America is now an unelected prosecutor, with no accountability and a domestic army at his disposal: Robert Mueller.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

That's how leaks work, but they are the only ones who could leak it, right? Mueller's team of Hillary supporters are the only ones who knew, so...

You're just making that all up. It's not the only scenario possible. If you're looking at the investigation as being run by Hillary supporters you have no objectivity.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

You're just making that all up. It's not the only scenario possible. If you're looking at the investigation as being run by Hillary supporters you have no objectivity.

Anyone who discounts the explanation that doesn't involve conspiracies is an idiot not worth your time any further, certainly not worth mine anymore.

 

[abiG]

RE: Tools

The special counsel’s indictment of Roger Stone contains no allegation of a conspiracy to collude with Russia or to steal emails from Democrats, and appears to undercut some of the logic behind Democrats’ collusion narrative....

...Robert Mueller accuses Stone, a longtime political operative, of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his communication with Trump campaign officials and other associates regarding WikiLeaks, which released emails that were stolen from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta....
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/25/stone-mueller-collusion-russia/

 

[MikeMcMann]

You act like it was one guy. They probably had him and at least 10 others there for cameras and crew and lighting, that wasn't a continuous thing for months, man. Wise up. Think what you want I guess, but they were clearly notified by Mueller that it was "going down" and then sent in dozens of agents and vehicles like they were expecting Roger "El Chapo" Stone's personal army to resist or something? Please. That was a planned show and they wanted to be sure their allies had the scoop.

Read.

There is no reason to think Mueller leaked it.

The part about this leak that no Trumper seems to want to understand is that Mueller can't go from evidence to arrest without involving outside parties. Mueller has a pristine record and has leaked nothing, but once he has the evidence for an arrest it goes to a grand jury or judge, they issue a warrant, the clerk delivers the warrant to the appropriate authorities to make the arrest. There are a lot of people between Mueller's investigative team and the FBI personnel who showed up at Roger Stone's door, and any of them could have leaked it.

There's also the concept of court house reporting they don't seem to get. Every court house in the USA has a local beat reporter, no matter how small the county. That beat reporter is at the court house every day, knows all the employees in the court house on friendly terms and certainly knows the difference between standard procedure and something non-standard. It was non-standard for the grand jury to meet on Thursday(rather than the usual Friday), and that's something a local beat reporter would pick up on.

 

[PHATV]

You're just making that all up. It's not the only scenario possible. If you're looking at the investigation as being run by Hillary supporters you have no objectivity.

Weren't the first dozen (ish) lawyers he took on donors to Hillary's 2016 campaign? I'm pretty sure they were. Wouldn't that, by definition, make them "Hillary supporters"? I think it would.

 

[PHATV]

Read.

There is no reason to think Mueller leaked it.

OK, but now by defending Mueller, we're pointing to the fact that several other folks might have been the ones who leaked it, right? NOT that CNN "just happened to be driving by in a few cars and trucks" and lucked into it, right? That is the part I find remarkable. That CNN wasn't fed the timing on this event ahead of time.

 

[splendica]

A good interview of Stone by Carlson, quite an opposite story to what CNN and the rest of MSM is trumpeting: