General MMA Discussion & Future Lines- 2020

[Stat_Collector]

i like Andrade at dog odds.

Lupita doesn't have much size, she's going to split with Ricci, and has low sub rate.

 

[mkess101]

i like Andrade at dog odds.

Lupita doesn't have much size, she's going to split with Ricci, and has low sub rate.

Ricci isn’t bad, I don't think a split with her looks bad. Loopy a little smaller than Andrade maybe but even at 33 Jessica looks kinda shot. Or at least, she just doesn't look like she has that physicality and explosion anymore. Not saying she was previously enhanced and now isn’t but...maybe just a wear and tear thing because 33 isn’t that old.

I think Loppy wins with footwork, speed edge, activity.

 

[Stat_Collector]

Ricci isn’t bad, I don't think a split with her looks bad. Loopy a little smaller than Andrade maybe but even at 33 Jessica looks kinda shot. Or at least, she just doesn't look like she has that physicality and explosion anymore. Not saying she was previously enhanced and now isn’t but...maybe just a wear and tear thing because 33 isn’t that old.

I think Loppy wins with footwork, speed edge, activity.

It's not the fact that Ricci is bad, is that she isn't dominating fighters in her rankings , she cant even beat Dern who is less ranked than Andrade.

Andrade beat Marina by standing with her(not long ago,) Marina is far faster and more efficient in movement than Godinez and it's not even close. Andrade throws punches and kicks with way cleaner and snappier form. Godinez needs wrestling to win this fight , there is no doubt about that. I rank Andrade higher than her, she beat Lemos, and Dern, and has only lost to stud high rank women.

I put Godinez in the same category as Ribas, Robertson, Tecia, Gomes, Hill , top 15-10 but they wont ever pierce a top 5 ranked. She just doesn't have enough advantages in one area, and she isn't a good finisher.


No matter how you look at it, a ranked 5th shouldn't be a 220+ dog to a ranked 11th unless that ranked 11th is a high level prospect that is finishing people left and right or winning dominate fights. Loopy isn't climbing the ranks, she is hovering it.

 

[mkess101]

It's not the fact that Ricci is bad, is that she isn't dominating fighters in her rankings , she cant even beat Dern who is less ranked than Andrade.

Andrade beat Marina by standing with her(not long ago,) Marina is far faster and more efficient in movement than Godinez and it's not even close. Andrade throws punches and kicks with way cleaner and snappier form. Godinez needs wrestling to win this fight , there is no doubt about that. I rank Andrade higher than her, she beat Lemos, and Dern, and has only lost to stud high rank women.

I put Godinez in the same category as Ribas, Robertson, Tecia, Gomes, Hill , top 15-10 but they wont ever pierce a top 5 ranked. She just doesn't have enough advantages in one area, and she isn't a good finisher.


No matter how you look at it, a ranked 5th shouldn't be a 220+ dog to a ranked 11th unless that ranked 11th is a high level prospect that is finishing people left and right or winning dominate fights. Loopy isn't climbing the ranks, she is hovering it.

Ehh I think Loopy is a little better than you do and Andrade a bit more washed. That said--to be clear--I'm not advocating paying -220 juice on Loopy here. I think she wins but over 2-1 is absolutely pass territory for me.

Also, I've made big $ betting against Andrade (last fight--and yes I know massive style difference) was my biggest single hit of the year on one fight with Jas wrecking her so easily. So it's fair that I could be biased to default fade Andrade because it's been profitable for me.

 

[Stat_Collector]

Ehh I think Loopy is a little better than you do and Andrade a bit more washed. That said--to be clear--I'm not advocating paying -220 juice on Loopy here. I think she wins but over 2-1 is absolutely pass territory for me.

Also, I've made big $ betting against Andrade (last fight--and yes I know massive style difference) was my biggest single hit of the year on one fight with Jas wrecking her so easily. So it's fair that I could be biased to default fade Andrade because it's been profitable for me.

Jas is 5'7 and beat Fatima Kline. She is far better grappler , not because of technique, but just size and top control. of course, you know that already.

Loopy isn't even better than Dern on the feet, idk how you are making this leap that she will somehow out work Andrade by just moving away. Even Natalia Silva had lots of trouble getting away and had moments where Andrade teed off on her, its a lot wider on the feet than you think.

 

[mkess101]

Jas is 5'7 and beat Fatima Kline. She is far better grappler , not because of technique, but just size and top control. of course, you know that already.

Loopy isn't even better than Dern on the feet, idk how you are making this leap that she will somehow out work Andrade by just moving away. Even Natalia Silva had lots of trouble getting away and had moments where Andrade teed off on her, its a lot wider on the feet than you think.

We will see. I also wouldn't be stunned if Loopy does get some grappling going. A bit undersized but still think she has way more explosiveness at this point than Jessica.

 

[Stat_Collector]

We will see. I also wouldn't be stunned if Loopy does get some grappling going. A bit undersized but still think she has way more explosiveness at this point than Jessica.

She couldn't beat Angela Hill with her grappling. Andrade is Hill on steroids. And Hill is way older and probably a little washed herself.

We shall see.

 

[mkess101]

She couldn't beat Angela Hill with her grappling. Andrade is Hill on steroids. And Hill is way older and probably a little washed herself.

We shall see.

Hill is way older but seems less washed in a lot of ways. But Andrade maybe is...enhancing herself so could be she shows a lot better here. Not betting Loopy but I don't know if I'd ever bet Andrade again unless she was a massive dog.

 

[PuertoRican]

 

[Dooze]

Bryan Battle cut for the weight miss last week.

It did enter my mind that they might have done it as punishment but thought given his record they'd instead go for something more like forcing him to fight at 205 from now on.

I liked him and thought he had potential to become ranked at 170 but he's obviously just not professional enough for it. Hopefully this is a big wake up call for him, he can put together a run either on the regional level (or somewhere like PFL) at a specific weight class (assuming 170 is too tough a cut, 185 or 205) where he wins say 5 fights quite comfortably and makes weight every time.

It's a fair cut in my eyes. Twice in a row at two different weight classes to miss weight is terrible. It might take a year or 2 but he's still relatively young in the sport, I think there's a way back for him if he wants it and can commit to being professional but he's probably been told in no uncertain terms that he's fucked up for UFC and if he can't demonstrate he can treat the weight cut professionally, he won't be welcome back win or lose.

Will be genuinely interesting to see if he treats it as a wake up call, changes things up and takes it serious to get back in or just retires/accepts fighting for small promotions so he can keep fucking around.

 

[B.Goetz]

Mackenzie Stiller -135 $20 to win $14.81 (LFA is on tonight)

Stiller's opponent is a good athlete and a bit of a natural, but she's only been training for a few years. People who take up martial arts later in life rarely fare well against life-long martial artists like Mack.

 

[B.Goetz]

Mackenzie Stiller -135 $20 to win $14.81 (LFA is on tonight)

Stiller's opponent is a good athlete and a bit of a natural, but she's only been training for a few years. People who take up martial arts later in life rarely fare well against life-long martial artists like Mack.

Gimme. Stiller sub 1. Should've gone much bigger.

 

[BigSteve]

Hello lads, I have been on these forums for 7 years.

I will be in here until Sherdog's last breath, although most of my time has been and will be spent in my
own personal Discord.

If you are obsessed with betting and interested in a place that discusses bets and fights 24/7, suss the video down bellow.

I will not be advertising it anymore after this.

 

[PuertoRican]

Hello lads, I have been on these forums for 7 years.

I will be in here until Sherdog's last breath, although most of my time has been and will be spent in my
own personal Discord.

If you are obsessed with betting and interested in a place that discusses bets and fights 24/7, suss the video down bellow.

I will not be advertising it anymore after this.

I like chatting with others online on fight days, but I don't need or want anyone else's bets or strategies. I was interested in joining your Discord awhile back, but I won't pay money to simply chat with other people.

You should create an additional chat room on your server that is for everyone to chat, but separate from the paid chat room. It could be called "General Chat" instead of calling it "Non Subscribers." Or, you can keep the main chat room you currently have and then create a new private room called "Subscribers" where people can discuss all things betting.

If the goal is to build a community, then you should want to include as many people as possible instead of limiting the community to people who want to pay $30 per month.

 

[BigSteve]

I like chatting with others online on fight days, but I don't need or want anyone else's bets or strategies. I was interested in joining your Discord awhile back, but I won't pay money to simply chat with other people.

You should create an additional chat room on your server that is for everyone to chat, but separate from the paid chat room. It could be called "General Chat" instead of calling it "Non Subscribers." Or, you can keep the main chat room you currently have and then create a new private room called "Subscribers" where people can discuss all things betting.

If the goal is to build a community, then you should want to include as many people as possible instead of limiting the community to people who want to pay $30 per month.

Cheers for the input boss.

I don't want as many people as possible. I want mature, nice and passionate gamblers.
its not about it being available to everyone. Although at $ 30 per month, it's pretty much that.

Would be good to have you in there, but its not for everyone and thats fine.

 

[PuertoRican]

 

[svmr_db]

I don't expect there to be massive line movement, this seems like a fight that will have a lot of two way action. Charles probably will remain the favorite partially due to having a full camp & being a much more dangerous finisher.

 

[EndlessCritic]

makoto shinryu is square as fuck. motoya right now sitting at +120. take the value and run.

 

[EndlessCritic]

ougikubo now +185. that level of disrespect is insane.

 

[PuertoRican]