Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[Fox by the Sea]

Why is transgenderism mental illness

because it is.

however Noah living to be 900 or Jesus walking on water or Muhammad splitting the moon in half are all scientifically valid points of view to hold?

they're not scientifically valid.
there's zero scientific studies claiming that.

 

[Soggust]

they're not scientifically valid.
there's zero scientific studies claiming that.

Would you agree if someone believes in that, that's mental illness? If so, I have no problem with your take.

If not, what's the difference?

 

[Ares Black]

because it is.

Not according to actual psychiatrists

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Would you agree if someone believes in that, that's mental illness? If so, I have no problem with your take.

difference is intensity.
if a person believes truly that jesus ACTUALLY walked on water, noah ACTUALLY LIVED 900 years or whatever, and things like multiplication of fish or whatever the fuck is in the bible, if they TRULY believe that, they are of no difference than the ones believing they are a woman while being genetically a man.
i believe the vast majority of religious people are ambiental believers, with mostly limited knowledge of the dogmas, that go along the societally designed pathways of communal worship and hold abstract and very roughly formed ideas of "belief". not that different than saying hello when you meet or opening doors for ladies. the highly intense ones are the trannies of the religious world. same nuttery, different arrangement.

 

[Koro_11]

Of course I can. Especially if the question was honest.

The problem is that none of you are arguing in good faith.

LOL @ “good faith”.

“hey, you’re not stating those basic biological facts in good faith”.

Hilarious.

 

[Soggust]

difference is intensity.
if a person believes truly that jesus ACTUALLY walked on water, noah ACTUALLY LIVED 900 years or whatever, and things like multiplication of fish or whatever the fuck is in the bible, if they TRULY believe that, they are no difference than the ones believing they are a woman while being genetically a man.

Not sure I agree, but I actually think this is a very fair perspective.

i believe the vast majority of religious people are ambiental believers, with mostly limited knowledge of the dogmas, that go along the societally designed pathways of communal worship. not that different than saying hello when you meet or opening doors for ladies. the highly intense ones are the trannies of the religious world. same nuttery, different arrangement.

Are you sure you aren't just broadcasted the extremes the same way the left likes to paint the religious right as trying to change every public school to be a bible class or yelling at every gay person about going to hell?

Like I concede that the VAST majority of religious people don't really think Noah took 2 of every species on a ship while God wiped out humanity. They might say "well the old testament are fables meant to teach" or "it's a translation issue here, but this other part is very literal", etc - but I'm not sure we are supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Because I would argue the vast majority of trans people don't think they can change their bio sex by imagining real hard Peter Pan-style (which I would concede to you would be retarded), but rather that the majority would say - "I know I was born male, but if you split the concepts of gender and sex to be presenting and biological... it makes sense"

Like yeah if I do some mental backflips I can prolly justify it, just like religion, but I don't think either side should be basing their argument on science and reality.

 

[evansusmc2]

lol any of em

NOPE... there is a stark difference between those two also. This isn't the pre-enlightenent years Your attempts to lump American christianity in with something else has failed.

Why is transgenderism mental illness

Ask the trans SUPPORTERS of this person.

What we know about the Nashville Christian school shooting that left 6 dead

Here's some of what we know and don't know about the deadly shooting at The Covenant School in Nashville.

www.pbs.org

however Noah living to be 900

I racked up more time in church, bible camps, and youth functions than 98% of Americans that have ever or will ever exist and I never believed that. Talked to many other that didn't believe that. When to a baptist church for years that never preached that. For the people that actually believe that? Its not like it's harmed anyone.

or Jesus walking on water

Not sure what to say about that. Pretty sure it was just a misinterpretation passed down. For the people that actually believe that? Its not like it's harmed anyone.

or Muhammad splitting the moon in half are all scientifically valid points of view to hold?

Not sure. All I know is that Islam is basically a hijacked bogus off shoot of an Abrahamic religion. Ya might have to go to the middle east and ask them. See how well that goes for you. The result would quickly remind you how much muslims and christians are not on the same realm of ideology.

 

[MMA IAN]

No, I'm politically literate, and your are not.

Politics is extremely complicated. But simpletons like to pretend it's as simple as they are.

Politics are at their core, pretty simple.

Make popular policy, people happy, me vote for you

Make unpopular policy, people unhappy, no vote for you

 

[Ares Black]

difference is intensity.
if a person believes truly that jesus ACTUALLY walked on water, noah ACTUALLY LIVED 900 years or whatever, and things like multiplication of fish or whatever the fuck is in the bible, if they TRULY believe that, they are of no difference than the ones believing they are a woman while being genetically a man.

Again, this is completely dishonest and disingenuous.

If a trans woman truly believed that she was a cisgender woman who could get pregnant and give birth, then yes, that would be delusional.

But the vast majority of trans people do not believe that. They know who they are, they are acutely aware of their genetics and physiology, in fact much more than most people.

It's not a matter of pretending to be something that they are not. It is exactly the opposite.

Trans people who have decided to transition to their preferred gender have made the decision to live their lives as the person they are, not the person you think they should be.

Many trans people do suffer from various mental illnesses too. Gender dysphoria is not the same thing as being transgender, but most trans people suffer from it. Depression, anxiety and autism are all very common.

But they aren't delusional. They are suffering and at risk, and gender affirming care is literally the only form of treatment that has been proven to be effective.

Gender affirming care doesn't mean a sex change operation. The vast majority of trans people never have bottom surgery. Most trans people don't get any surgery at all.

For many people with gender dysphoria, clothing, pronouns, and hormones are enough to keep them alive. And that is ultimately the goal of medical treatment, is it not?

 

[Ares Black]

LOL @ “good faith”.

“hey, you’re not stating those basic biological facts in good faith”.

Hilarious.

Even using the word "basic" to try to discuss the topic is inherently dishonest

 

[MMA IAN]

NEW Study from Oxford shows out of 107,000 patients, those who underwent sex change surgeries and the whole gender transition (hormones, etc), they had HIGHER anxiety, suicidality, etc.

All the trans advocates were full of shit the entire time.

"From 107 583 patients, matched cohorts demonstrated that those undergoing surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders than those without surgery."

https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063

I'm friends with a Thai ladyboy and this is no surprise. They're so far ahead of the curve on trans issues it's not funny. There's a reason most Thai ladyboy don't get bottom surgery.

They are just very feminine gay men, so feminine they'd rather live as a girl.

 

[Ares Black]

I'm friends with a Thai ladyboy and this is no surprise. They're so far ahead of the curve on trans issues it's not funny. There's a reason most Thai ladyboy don't get bottom surgery.

They are just very feminine gay men, so feminine they'd rather live as a girl.

How big is her dick?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Like yeah if I do some mental backflips I can prolly justify it, just like religion, but I don't think either side should be basing their argument on science and reality.

yeah, we all do mental backflips.
problems arrive when we force them on others.
cause i don't care if you feel something deeply.
that doesn't mean jesus walked on water, or that you can be, in any imaginable form, a woman.
and especially it doesn't mean that i should adjust my life in any way to accommodate your belief. because that's when i'll ask in return for you to accommodate mine, which is that your belief is nuttery.

 

[UberHere]

Politics are at their core, pretty simple.

Make popular policy, people happy, me vote for you

Make unpopular policy, people unhappy, no vote for you

Politically literate is the new Reddit buzzword used by people who argue badly for absurd positions.

 

[Koro_11]

Even using the word "basic" to try to discuss the topic is inherently dishonest

You’re ridiculous dude I don’t know what else to tell you.

 

[Ares Black]

Politically literate is the new Reddit buzzword used by people who argue badly for absurd positions.

*Illiterate

 

[Ares Black]

You’re ridiculous dude I don’t know what else to tell you.

That's because you don't actually have anything to say.

You are trying to apply basic biology to a complicated biological condition.

 

[Soggust]

yeah, we all do mental backflips.
problems arrive when we force them on others.
cause i don't care if you feel something deeply.
that doesn't mean jesus walked on water, or that you can be, in any imaginable form, a woman.
and especially it doesn't mean that i should adjust my life in any way to accommodate your belief. because that's when i'll ask in return for you to accommodate mine, which is that your belief is nuttery.

If we stop giving tax breaks, public grants, etc to churches, then I think this is a strong take.

 

[UberHere]

Not according to actual psychiatrists

lol what?

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) code for gender dysphoria is F64.9

 

[Ares Black]

lol what?

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) code for gender dysphoria is F64.9

Gender dysphoria is not a synonym for being transgender


There are many trans people who never experienced gender dysphoria