Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[Bojka]

So you agree that intersex people exist.

We are just debating the size of the population.

I never said intersex people don't exist. I just strongly doubted that number and so I googled it.

 

[Ares Black]

You said it was transphobic.

It was

That video wasn't transphobic in the slightest

You think that because you yourself think like that. The framing of the story was anti-trans.

and just went into a lot of the legal challenges that state is facing. It doesn't even form a conclusion....

No, it expects you to form your own conclusion, which is what good propaganda does.

It's just basically looking at the problem that this issue is creating and the challenges of coming to a policy that protects everyone's rights....

No, it's amplifying an isolated incident and pretending that it's a major problem.

At what point does criticism of any trans ideology and trans activists and policy around the trans issues become bigoted for you? can anyone disagree with your particular positions ever and not be a bigot? And if they can where can they?

Be specific.

It is entirely possible to have a conversation about trans rights and appropriate laws without being transphobic and bigoted. It just seems that transphobes are not interested in that.

 

[Koro_11]

Well that's mathematically impossible, given the size of the trans population.

I've met probably a dozen trans people in my life maybe less. I've had a conversation with a few.

I'm just a guy who doesn't like stupid people. And I don't like bullies. And most transphobes are stupid bullies.

When I say "it seems that's all you talk to", I don't mean you talk to every one of them, I mean you don't seem to talk to anyone else.

If you don't like stupid people maybe you should look up the definition of phobia before accusing someone of it.

A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and the last thing I'm afraid of is some dude in a dress.

I also have zero interest in bullying them, I've stated my position very clearly and I will say it again, everyone should feel free to live their life however they chose to do so. I don't get any pleasure in making fun of anyone's problem or mental illness, and my default setting is to be nice to people if they're being nice to me, and that includes trans people. The only thing I'm against is people imposing their delusions, or confusion, or sexual fetishes on others, that's it.

 

[Ares Black]

I never said intersex people don't exist. I just strongly doubted that number and so I googled it.

It did seem a little high.

 

[Crazy Source]

@terrapin I see you as a good and honest poster, and you are in a thread that is extremely transphobic. This seems like a bigoted ch i n k in your righteous armor.

 

[Ares Black]

@terrapin I see you as a good and honest poster, and you are in a thread that is extremely transphobic. This seems like a bigoted ch i n k in your righteous armor.

I actually really like the guy too. I think he sincerely means well. Unfortunately he has internalized anti-trans rhetoric.

I think of all the people I'm trying to educate in this thread, he's the only one that might actually try to understand it.

 

[Crazy Source]

The only thing I'm against is people imposing their delusions, or confusion, or sexual fetishes on others, that's it.

Who is doing this to you? Tell us, specifically, who is doing this to you. I'm not talking about what you read on the internet. What actual physical person is imposing their delusions, confusions, and sexual fetishes on you?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Depends on who you talking to. But it's definitely not two.

I think that ship has sailed, grandma

Why is it definitely not two?

 

[terrapin]

@terrapin I see you as a good and honest poster, and you are in a thread that is extremely transphobic. This seems like a bigoted in your righteous armor.

The right often has extremely bigoted stances, but that's not what I'm defending I'm just saying that both sides seem completely unwilling to have an honest conversation. Look up Kathleen Stock and watch a video of her positions on the trans topic as a philosopher, she's gay she's not a bigot. She's not remotely transphobic and yet go and read the trans activist communities criticisms of her book at how she's labeled. Look at the threats of violence that have been made against her and tell me if you think they're arguing in good faith?

It seems to be policy from the trans activist community to lie and slander and that lying and slandering has rolled downhill and all people from the left seem to engage in it.

It just happened to me or I posted a video that was really just a legit news story and Aries just labeled it as transphobic propaganda. Go watch that video and tell me if you think that's accurate cuz it isn't.

But I read these discussions and I see nothing but lies from both sides and it's despicable and degenerate and sad.

I'm here not to defend any policy from Trump but to defend trans gender criticisms on policy and perspective which no one seems able to do without lying on both sides.

 

[Ares Black]

Why is it definitely not two?

Because it's absurd to try and fit all of humanity into two little boxes

Life is complicated and beautiful. Very little in life is binary.

 

[Crazy Source]

The right often has extremely bigoted stances, but that's not what I'm defending I'm just saying that both sides seem completely unwilling to have an honest conversation. Look up Kathleen Stock and watch a video of her positions on the trans topic as a philosopher, she's gay she's not a bigot. She's not remotely transphobic and yet go and read the trans activist communities criticisms of her book at how she's labeled. Look at the threats of violence that have been made against her and tell me if you think they're arguing in good faith?

It seems to be policy from the trans activist community to lie and slander and that lying and slandering has rolled downhill and all people from the left seem to engage in it.

It just happened to me or I posted a video that was really just a legit news story and Aries just labeled it as transphobic propaganda. Go watch that video and tell me if you think that's accurate cuz it isn't.

But I read these discussions and I see nothing but lies from both sides and it's despicable and degenerate and sad.

I'm here not to defend any policy from Trump but to defend trans gender criticisms on policy and perspective which no one seems able to do without lying on both sides.

Regardless the side, bigotry has no safe harbor here.

 

[Ares Black]

The right often has extremely bigoted stances, but that's not what I'm defending I'm just saying that both sides seem completely unwilling to have an honest conversation. Look up Kathleen Stock and watch a video of her positions on the trans topic as a philosopher, she's gay she's not a bigot. She's not remotely transphobic and yet go and read the trans activist communities criticisms of her book at how she's labeled. Look at the threats of violence that have been made against her and tell me if you think they're arguing in good faith?

It seems to be policy from the trans activist community to lie and slander and that lying and slandering has rolled downhill and all people from the left seem to engage in it.

It just happened to me or I posted a video that was really just a legit news story and Aries just labeled it as transphobic propaganda. Go watch that video and tell me if you think that's accurate cuz it isn't.

But I read these discussions and I see nothing but lies from both sides and it's despicable and degenerate and sad.

I'm here not to defend any policy from Trump but to defend trans gender criticisms on policy and perspective which no one seems able to do without lying on both sides.

*Ares

 

[b-hop]

Yeah nobody thinks that.

Why couldn't Mike Tyson see himself as a woman? If he "felt" like it.

 

[Ares Black]

When I say "it seems that's all you talk to", I don't mean you talk to every one of them, I mean you don't seem to talk to anyone else.

I talk to lots of people about lots of things. Right now I am talking about trans rights.

If you don't like stupid people maybe you should look up the definition of phobia before accusing someone of it.

You should look up the definition of transphobia and then tell me it doesn't describe you.

A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and the last thing I'm afraid of is some dude in a dress.

So you don't understand gender, or phobias, or compound words

I also have zero interest in bullying them,

Lol ok

I've stated my position very clearly and I will say it again, everyone should feel free to live their life however they chose to do so.

Except trans people

I don't get any pleasure in making fun of anyone's problem or mental illness, and my default setting is to be nice to people if they're being nice to me, and that includes trans people.

I will try to be nicer in the future.

The only thing I'm against is people imposing their delusions, or confusion, or sexual fetishes on others, that's it.

No one is doing that.

 

[Ares Black]

Why couldn't Mike Tyson see himself as a woman? If he "felt" like it.

Because that's not what transgender means. No one just decides that they're trans.

If you are asking if Mike Tyson might be a trans woman, then that's different. I don't think he is, because there is literally no reason to think that.

If he came out tomorrow and said he was actually a trans woman then I suppose we could have a discussion.

But based on literally everything I know about him that's just not something that will happen.

 

[b-hop]

Because that's not what transgender means. No one just decides that they're trans.

If you are asking if Mike Tyson might be a trans woman, then that's different. I don't think he is, because there is literally no reason to think that.

If he came out tomorrow and said he was actually a trans woman then I suppose we could have a discussion.

But based on literally everything I know about him that's just not something that will happen.

How do they "find" out than? How everyone knows it's a trangender anyway?

Of course he's not but hypotethical he could be, and everyone would have to also assume he was a woman according to you. and fight with women.

It's insane.

 

[Soggust]

Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

How common is intersex? a response to Anne Fausto-Sterling - PubMed

Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The problem with this figure is that it only counts obvious genital ambiguity at birth, but some intersex variations manifest later.

I think 0.2-0.7% is the "what we all agree on" number usually floated around but I can't find a source atm so to be fair - it's definitely possible I'm just full of shit.

 

[Noveltymortar]

Maga's obsession with the lgbtq community is creepy as fuck. Mind your own fuckin business.

Lopping off your weiner and demanding to be called ma'am seems a bit creepier to be honest.

 

[Ares Black]

The right often has extremely bigoted stances, but that's not what I'm defending I'm just saying that both sides seem completely unwilling to have an honest conversation. Look up Kathleen Stock and watch a video of her positions on the trans topic as a philosopher, she's gay she's not a bigot. She's not remotely transphobic and yet go and read the trans activist communities criticisms of her book at how she's labeled. Look at the threats of violence that have been made against her and tell me if you think they're arguing in good faith?

It seems to be policy from the trans activist community to lie and slander and that lying and slandering has rolled downhill and all people from the left seem to engage in it.

It just happened to me or I posted a video that was really just a legit news story and Aries just labeled it as transphobic propaganda. Go watch that video and tell me if you think that's accurate cuz it isn't.

But I read these discussions and I see nothing but lies from both sides and it's despicable and degenerate and sad.

I'm here not to defend any policy from Trump but to defend trans gender criticisms on policy and perspective which no one seems able to do without lying on both sides.

The thing is, trans people are a vulnerable minority population that is being targeted by an authoritarian government.

If you are remaining neutral in this situation then you are siding with the oppressor.

Are trans activists weird and annoying? Some of them, yes absolutely. Radicals of many different kinds are obnoxious or annoying.

Are trans people a threat to women? No. Statistically it is clear as day. The threat to women is straight men.

Trans people exist, whether you want them to or not. I don't think we should bend over backwards and acquiesce to every activist demand. But I do think we need to stand up for our fellow human beings who are being targeted and demonized.

I know a lot of people think that this is just a silly ideological debate, but for trans people it it literally a matter of life and death.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Because it's absurd to try and fit all of humanity into two little boxes

Life is complicated and beautiful. Very little in life is binary.

Sounds like because “reasons”