Gane's coach talks about leg lock attempt.

[ifindgifsforjackslack]

Except Ngannou is the one who had arm control for the sweep, not Gane had his arms free for the leg lock.

Gane got swept.

He got swept because he literally moved his entire base for the leg lock. It’s both really. Gane went for the leg lock while Francis had wrist control, leading to a sweep during the transition.

 

[snotflakes]

Gane was not credited with a submission attempt for this. Less than 10 seconds after this sweep occurred Gane outmuscled Francis to get to his knees and dropped back for a heel hook.

Gane was credited with 2 submission attempts for the 2 heel hooks he attempted after this occurred because both threatened to end the fight.

Did you miss the two heel hook attempts that occurred after this or just being intellectually dishonest?

A heel hook attempt should be regarded as a heel hook failure. You count missed headkicks too?

 

[markg171]

Yea I'm embarrassed even though you're the one who can't even see that Gane bites down for the reap first. Go take a Gracie instructional couch boy.

Okay, let's play this out:

• Ngannou has arm control on his right side.
• He opens his guard on that side.
• Gane posts up on that open side.
• Ngannou sweeps that leg as it steps in.
• Ngannou ends up on top and Gane has no leg lock.

Ngannou baited Gane and he literally stepped right into it. He got swept.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Okay, let's play this out:

• Ngannou has arm control on his right side.
• He opens his guard on that side.
• Gane posts up on that open side.
• Ngannou sweeps that leg as it steps in.
• Ngannou ends up on top and Gane has no leg lock.

Ngannou baited Gane and he literally stepped right into it. He got swept.

Yea let's just dismiss the part where Gane gives up position to bite down with his left leg before any sweep attempt occurred....

 

[markg171]

He got swept because he literally moved his entire base for the leg lock. It’s both really. Gane went for the leg lock while Francis had wrist control, leading to a sweep during the transition.

How exactly did Gane go for a leg lock when Ngannou had his arms tied up?

Gane also only stood up precisely because Ngannou opened up that side of his guard. As soon as Gane stood Ngannou instead swept the foot as that was his plan all along.

He got swept because Ngannou baited him.

 

[markg171]

Yea let's just dismiss the part where Gane gives up position to bite down with his left leg before any sweep attempt occurred....

No, this is called ignoring that Gane moved forward only because Francis seemingly presented an opening on that side of his guard.

In reality Francis was attempting a sweep and waiting for Gane to post, hence why his leg instantly did so.

 

[genecop]

Okay, let's play this out:

• Ngannou has arm control on his right side.
• He opens his guard on that side.
• Gane posts up on that open side.
• Ngannou sweeps that leg as it steps in.
• Ngannou ends up on top and Gane has no leg lock.

Ngannou baited Gane and he literally stepped right into it. He got swept.

Yea let's just dismiss the part where Gane gives up position to bite down with his left leg before any sweep attempt occurred....

You both seem to have valid points..

 

[Luvhawky]

You always struck me as the Kevin Iole type who never trained or played any sports and thanks for demonstrating it once again.

Grapplers on top often give up position to go for leg locks which requires holding onto their opponents leg with both arms making it impossible to post with the hands to maintain top position which results in ending up on bottom. You're a black belt in couch with fritos lol

What a dick response...I first started training in 2000 (before you want to whine about people who didn't train), I saw it as a sweep. After getting swept, from his back, he isolated a leg and then proceeded to a leg lock.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

What a dick response...I first started training in 2000 (before you want to whine about people who didn't train), I saw it as a sweep. After getting swept, from his back, he isolated a leg and then proceeded to a leg lock.

Wrong. Gane bites down with his left leg to go for the reap before any sweep occurred.

 

[Luvhawky]

Wrong. Gane bites down with his left leg to go for the reap before any sweep occurred.

Don't act like an infant...

Gane tried to pass to the left and failed, got swept, gave up half guard, dug for a leg and then proceeded to got for a leg lock...

The time between getting swept and having a leg lock was like 15 seconds...it wouldn't take that long to attempt the leg lock.

 

[ifindgifsforjackslack]

How exactly did Gane go for a leg lock when Ngannou had his arms tied up?

Gane also only stood up precisely because Ngannou opened up that side of his guard. As soon as Gane stood Ngannou instead swept the foot as that was his plan all along.

He got swept because Ngannou baited him.

Yeah baited him into attempting a leg lock. We are seeing the same thing here you are just not being objective my friend

edit: ehh he could be trying to slide through to half, I’ll just say it’s defs a sweep, but that sweep comes from games attempt to pass or sub

 

[markg171]

You both seem to have valid points..

I mean, at the end of the day you can't just ignore that Ngannou had arm control throughout the entire sequence. Gane wasn't in proper position to sub meanwhile Ngannou was to sweep.

So even in a best case scenario for Gane it's Gane making a mistake and Ngannou capitalizing thanks to his prior defensive work.

In a worst case scenario though, the way I see it is Ngannou had the arm trapped and presented that opening on his right side because he was ALWAYS going to attempt the sweep. Not just did it in the moment.

 

[Luvhawky]

He got swept because he literally moved his entire base for the leg lock. It’s both really. Gane went for the leg lock while Francis had wrist control, leading to a sweep during the transition.

I saw him moving his base to pass. It's done poorly on both sides, because both guys suck. The way I see it, if Gane really was going for the leg lock, he would continue as he got swept, but there was a period of Francis in half guard, Gane digging for the leg and then going for the leg lock. Too much time passed in my book to even think Gane gave up position due to a leg lock attempt.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Calling that a sweep would be like thinking you took someone down because they pulled guard.

 

[markg171]

Yeah baited him into attempting a leg lock. We are seeing the same thing here you are just not being objective my friend

We're not seeing the same thing because Ngannou had Gane's arms tied up. Gane can fall back if he wants right now but that would just be pulling guard because of Ngannou's arm control.

If Francis wanted a leg lock he'd drop arm control to give Gane the means to do so. Instead he kept it and meanwhile opened his guard to cause Gane to post into the opening. What Gane tries to do there is irrelevant, Francis has control and his foot ready to sweep. All he needed was for Gane to step into the opening.

Your best case scenario is Gane making a mistake in not freeing his arms first... Or you can acknowledge that Francis outgrappled him from the start to begin with by having his arms tied.

 

[ifindgifsforjackslack]

We're not seeing the same thing because Ngannou had Gane's arms tied up. Gane can fall back if he wants right now but that would just be pulling guard because of Ngannou's arm control.

If Francis wanted a leg lock he'd drop arm control to give Gane the means to do so. Instead he kept it and meanwhile opened his guard to cause Gane to post into the opening. What Gane tries to do there is irrelevant, Francis has control and his foot ready to sweep. All he needed was for Gane to step into the opening.

Your best case scenario is Gane making a mistake in not freeing his arms first... Or you can acknowledge that Francis outgrappled him from the start to begin with by having his arms tied.

Ahhh you are caught up on pumping up your boy and giving credit instead of just appreciating a sequence. We are born different. Some of us are born to appreciate and some of us are born to simp. Hopefully Francis gives you a cut of dat boxing money

 

[markg171]

I saw him moving his base to pass. It's done poorly on both sides, because both guys suck. The way I see it, if Gane really was going for the leg lock, he would continue as he got swept, but there was a period of Francis in half guard, Gane digging for the leg and then going for the leg lock. Too much time passed in my book to even think Gane gave up position due to a leg lock attempt.

The pass also simply makes more sense on the basic fact that Gane hadn't freed his arms yet. Again, could be he just sucks and tried a sub without it, but then that also just leads to Ngannou outgrappling him for having had that first.

Which is also why to me it makes more sense that Ngannou was trying to sweep from the start seeing as he'd locked that down first.

 

[markg171]

Ahhh you are caught up on pumping up your boy and giving credit instead of just appreciating a sequence. We are born different. Some of us are born to appreciate and some of us are born to simp. Hopefully Francis gives you a cut of dat boxing money

I am appreciating the sequence.

I'm just calling a spade a spade in that Francis swept Gane.

 

[markg171]

Calling that a sweep would be like thinking you took someone down because they pulled guard.

Gane trying to pull guard makes more sense than a leg lock considering Francis had his arms tied.

 

[Oscar Madison]

Nah you just never trained in your life and don't understand the mechanics of leg locks. If you notice Gane bites down first with his left knee to go for the reap before there was a sweep attempt. Cheers.

Ngannou set his right leg on the outside like a spring loaded trap -- then sprung it for the sweep as he high rolled Gane onto his back.