Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[idrankyourbeer]

yeah its not worth the wait. I’m kinda disappointed Nvidia didnt release a Founders Edition card for this gpu.
I have the 1080 ti and 3070 I love collecting them

you should put that 1080ti in a resin block as a display piece to give it the respect it deserves! that was a GOAT price to performance card for its time and it still holds up rather decently to this day if you dont mind turning a few settings down and running at 1080p. it's not quite a dinosaur yet. you just can't kill this card. FSR prolonged it even more!

 

[KOPPE]

you should put that 1080ti in a resin block as a display piece to give it the respect it deserves! that was a GOAT price to performance card for its time and it still holds up somewhat decently to this day if you dont mind turning a few settings down and running at 1080p.

I should. I dont use it btw. that thing louder than a 78 Blazer, I remember reaching over 300 watts on Furmark

this is my favorite FE, its still a beast, with FSR you can still get 80+ fps on Modern Warfare 1440p

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I should. I dont use it btw. that thing louder than a 78 Blazer, I remember reaching over 300 watts on Furmark

this is my favorite FE, its still a beast, with FSR you can still get 80+ fps on Modern Warfare 1440p

i wanted a 980ti but by the time they had launched i had already pulled the trigger on a 970. the price point was just too right for me to pass up. everybody and their dogs were buying those cards up at the time. i went for the asus strix model. i've never bought any founders editions.

despite the gimped vram, that 970 was a bit of a stud card for its time.

 

[jefferz]

alright now that the 4070ti super benchmarks and hands on reviews are out there in the wild i aint feeling too bad about buying the 4070ti instead of waiting for the super model. the super card is only really performing about 5% better, even with a 256 bit bus and in many instances they are even performing dead equal or with just a couple minor frames difference depending on the resolution or game. it's not really a significant jump in performance like many people were hoping for.

and the shitty msi venutus 4070ti super actually performs worse than the 4070ti in call of duty and some other games due to some kind of technical issue and they have to release some kind of firmware update for the card to fix it. something is wrong with this card and it is underperforming against other models of the 4070ti super, and even the 4070ti. they have already released 3 bios updates for this model already but none of them seem to help the performance at all! this situation should not be occuring at all. even on a bottom of the barrel aftermarket. buyer beware on those models!

i mean shit if theyre gonna sell them for the same price theres no reason not to go for the 4070ti super, but you're not really getting 4080 level performance for a whole lot cheaper or anything wild like that because the cut down 48 mb of L2 cache is just never going to bring the performance anywhere near the same level of a 4080.

it doesnt feel like such a kick in the dick to me anymore for being an early adopter of the 4070ti. i mean sure the extra 4 gb of vram in the super is nice but gaming at 1440p i dont need that now in any game and i probably wont need it for a while either. no sense beating myself up over it. i mean if i would have held out a year specifically hoping for super refresh to arrive, i may as well wait another year for the next line of products which should probably kick the teeth off the last models anyways. at least in terms of performance and everything except for the price tag anyways.

these super models don't really seem too impressive at all. the 4070 super seems like the only one with a noticeable performance increase over its counterpart.

During the card shortage, I had a 470 crap out on me. It was a nightmare, I won't buy anything from MSI again. Their customer service and warranty department is garbage.

I followed their RMA protocol, got approved, etc. After I sent them the card, they told me they were going to give me a prorated $35 on a 4-month-old card, and I'm out a GPU. Not before I sent them the card, after they had my card. I refused, went back and forth with them for weeks over a "prorated" price, which only went up to $65 iirc. At no point did they say something like we'll get you a card, but you're going to have to wait. That would have been fine with me.
I understand there was a shortage, but offering $35 on a $130 4-month-old card was a slap in the face. Especially when you consider I had just spent $15 just to ship the damn thing to get RMA'd. I finally had to find the law that said they're required to give the customer a working product if they request it while under warranty, and threaten legal action.

I eventually got a card, but the circuit board looked like a boomerang, and the fan shroud looked like someone towed it behind their car with a rope. One of the fans was going out as well.
After that experience, I won't buy another MSI product.

 

[KOPPE]

i wanted a 980ti but by the time they had launched i had already pulled the trigger on a 970. the price point was just too right for me to pass up. everybody and their dogs were buying those cards up at the time. i went for the asus strix model. i've never bought any founders editions.

despite the gimped vram, that 970 was a bit of a stud card for its time.

I got it for the memes, I cant believe some people are still using this mini furnace as their main gpu

 

[Madmick]

alright now that the 4070ti super benchmarks and hands on reviews are out there in the wild i aint feeling too bad about buying the 4070ti instead of waiting for the super model. the super card is only really performing about 5% better, even with a 256 bit bus and in many instances they are even performing dead equal or with just a couple minor frames difference depending on the resolution or game. it's not really a significant jump in performance like many people were hoping for.

and the shitty msi venutus 4070ti super actually performs worse than the 4070ti in call of duty and some other games due to some kind of technical issue and they have to release some kind of firmware update for the card to fix it. something is wrong with this card and it is underperforming against other models of the 4070ti super, and even the 4070ti. they have already released 3 bios updates for this model already but none of them seem to help the performance at all! this situation should not be occuring at all. even on a bottom of the barrel aftermarket. buyer beware on those models!

i mean shit if theyre gonna sell them for the same price theres no reason not to go for the 4070ti super, but you're not really getting 4080 level performance for a whole lot cheaper or anything wild like that because the cut down 48 mb of L2 cache is just never going to bring the performance anywhere near the same level of a 4080.

it doesnt feel like such a kick in the dick to me anymore for being an early adopter of the 4070ti. i mean sure the extra 4 gb of vram in the super is nice but gaming at 1440p i dont need that now in any game and i probably wont need it for a while either. no sense beating myself up over it. i mean if i would have held out a year specifically hoping for super refresh to arrive, i may as well wait another year for the next line of products which should probably kick the teeth off the last models anyways. at least in terms of performance and everything except for the price tag anyways.

these super models don't really seem too impressive at all. the 4070 super seems like the only one with a noticeable performance increase over its counterpart.

Yep. And you would have been playing for a whole year on older hardware waiting on that minor bump. Not worth it.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Yep. And you would have been playing for a whole year waiting on that minor bump. Not worth it.

i was kinda kicking myself for holding out after the 1080ti launch to retire my 970 and do my upgrade when the next series launched. i figured there would be a significant performance upgrade. i mean the leap from maxwell to pascal was pretty significant, so why shouldn't the next generational leap be good too?

and then they released the new series and it was rather underwhelming. and it was all just focused on the rtx stuff with marked up prices, i'm guessing because they seen how much people were willing to overpay for their gpu during the whole crypto thing and they figured why not try to hike up the price of their next models?

i just couldn't justify the price of the 2080ti or even the 2080 really, and i didnt want to have to worry about any of that crypto shit driving the prices up even higher like it had been for pretty much the whole year before that, and i didnt want to wait another 2 years for the next series of cards just to upgrade my shit, so i bit the bullet on a 2080 anyways, the whole time being rather sour about it because the performance of the 1080ti was so similar to the 2080 that the whole time i could have just bought the 1080ti for a little bit cheaper, and have been using it a year and a half earlier!

i always feel like i make the weirdest decisions when it comes to upgrading. but i dont even know what nvidia and AMD are doing anymore, or what kind of bullshit pricing strategies theyre gonna come up with. i just wait until my performance starts to tank and i have to start turning down settings and then i'll buy a 70 or 80 series card and hope that it gets me through for like another 3 or 4 years. but then another product line or refresh comes out shortly after and i'm always thinking to myself damn, maybe i should have waited for these ones instead. its like a never ending cycle.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

During the card shortage, I had a 470 crap out on me. It was a nightmare, I won't buy anything from MSI again. Their customer service and warranty department is garbage.

I followed their RMA protocol, got approved, etc. After I sent them the card, they told me they were going to give me a prorated $35 on a 4-month-old card, and I'm out a GPU. Not before I sent them the card, after they had my card. I refused, went back and forth with them for weeks over a "prorated" price, which only went up to $65 iirc. At no point did they say something like we'll get you a card, but you're going to have to wait. That would have been fine with me.
I understand there was a shortage, but offering $35 on a $130 4-month-old card was a slap in the face. Especially when you consider I had just spent $15 just to ship the damn thing to get RMA'd. I finally had to find the law that said they're required to give the customer a working product if they request it while under warranty, and threaten legal action.

I eventually got a card, but the circuit board looked like a boomerang, and the fan shroud looked like someone towed it behind their car with a rope. One of the fans was going out as well.
After that experience, I won't buy another MSI product.

i never bought any msi stuff before. once when i was putting together a build a msi motherboard caught my eye because of the price or some shit but i ultimately ended up going with a gigabyte one instead for some other reason.

I got it for the memes, I cant believe some people are still using this mini furnace as their main gpu

you know i had an asus strix model of the 970 and i overclocked it and everything and still that thing didn't really run hot or dissipate much heat. just during gaming it would peak out between 64 - 67 degrees. a few degrees higher in the summer. all while running quiet.

still i wouldnt consider my 970 a furnace. around that time it was the AMD cards that were establishing a reputation for that lol.

now my ps4, that thing's a furnace and a jet engine. that thing turned into god damn space heater! i dunno what the deal is with that onei think maybe it needed new thermal paste or a whole lot of dust got stuck inside and was causing heat issues, but compressed air never really solved the matter and i stopped using it like 4 or 5 years ago just because i couldnt stand it anymore lol.

but now i have the cheaper asus aftermarket of a 4070ti , the tuf gaming model, and it runs just about as cool and quiet as my strix 970, despite drawing twice as much power from the wall and everything.

my strix 2080 hits roughly about the same temperatures too and it draws about the same amount of power as my 4070ti. alright maybe my 970 might have ran a little warm compared to how little power it was consuming, but it was definately nothing that ever raised an eyebrow to me when i was using it.

my strix 970 was kinda small though and it only had 2 fans but still it ran cool and quiet too. thats why they charged a premium price for that model. perhaps there were cheaper models out there that ran way hotter. hell i almost went for some kind of gigabyte version that was hella cheaper but then i realised it used a blower setup and people were shitting on it for sounding like a god damn tornado every time they played games. maybe they did put out some blast furnace aftermarkets out there too!

 

[KOPPE]

now my ps4, that thing's a furnace and a jet engine. that thing turned into god damn space heater! i dunno what the deal is with that onei think maybe it needed new thermal paste or a whole lot of dust got stuck inside and was causing heat issues, but compressed air never really solved the matter and i stopped using it like 4 or 5 years ago just because i couldnt stand it anymore lol.

oh god. Im getting ptsd just thinking about it. f console

 

[jefferz]

CS2 and AMD cards are having issues again. There was a CS2 update that allowed you to place stickers anywhere you want on the guns, but you can't with AMD cards because it's bugged. You can't scrape stickers, either.

Back in October, AMD introduced a new feature called Anti-Lag, and enabled it on a driver update. Valve's anticheat picked it up as a cheat, and was VAC banning people. Imagine having thousands of dollars in your inventory, and getting VAC banned because of the graphics card you use. Yeah, they got their accounts back eventually, but it would have been stressful.
The game ran like ass at release on AMD cards. It was a slide show until you ran around and let everything render in.

 

[what-wut]

guys I'm looking for a monitor with these specifications. 40 inch 16:9 AR 120 fps with 4k display on the ps5. would seriously appreciate the help as I've never owned a monitor and don't want to buy the wrong thing.

 

[avenue94]

guys I'm looking for a monitor with these specifications. 40 inch 16:9 AR 120 fps with 4k display on the ps5. would seriously appreciate the help as I've never owned a monitor and don't want to buy the wrong thing.

If you're in the US, 4K monitors that are 40 inches aren't really a thing. There's only a handful of options in the 40-45 inch size for gaming monitors with those specs. You may be better off just getting a TV at that size.

Are you looking for OLED or not?

 

[Madmick]

guys I'm looking for a monitor with these specifications. 40 inch 16:9 AR 120 fps with 4k display on the ps5. would seriously appreciate the help as I've never owned a monitor and don't want to buy the wrong thing.

The most obvious choice are the LG OLED's, but they are not cheap. Since the bendable Flex comes at a stupid premium, the C2 is easily the one recommended between the two:

1. LG 42 OLED Flex (Amazon)
2. LG 42 C2 (Amazon)

LG 42 C2 Reviews
Rtings: LG 42 C2 OLED Monitor Review (notice it scores a perfect "10" for PS5 compatibility)
Techspot: LG C2 42" Review -- The OLED PC Gaming Monitor Test
PCMag: LG C2 42-Inch Evo OLED TV (OLED42C2PUA) Review
WhatHiFi: LG C2 (OLED42C2) review -- What Hi-Fi? Awards 2022 winner. The smallest LG OLED yet is irresistibly good
Monitor Nerds: LG 42 C2 Review -- Best OLED TV for PC and Next-Gen Console Gaming
DisplayNinja: LG OLED42C2 Review: 4K 120Hz OLED TV


If you review this recent thread, you can see OLED has won the hearts of gamers.
What type of monitor do you have?

 

[what-wut]

If you're in the US, 4K monitors that are 40 inches aren't really a thing. There's only a handful of options in the 40-45 inch size for gaming monitors with those specs. You may be better off just getting a TV at that size.

Are you looking for OLED or not?

I play on my tv sitting on a recliner, I have to do my gaming and tv watching on same device and I prefer the 40 inch size which I currently use. but I think it's effecting my gameplay negatively.

if OLED does not effect the FPS negatively I would prefer it actually.

 

[Madmick]

if OLED does not effect the FPS negatively I would prefer it actually.

You're limited to 120 FPS on the PS5, so a monitor's framerate actually isn't your chief criteria. You want the best response time; specifically the best response time for 4K@60Hz and 1080p@120Hz. OLED screens have best response times of any display type. They're faster than even TN panels.

The LG's I highlighted above are the best monitors one could own for a PS5 or Xbox Series X. There's nothing better for motion performance.

 

[what-wut]

You're limited to 120 FPS on the PS5, so a monitor's framerate actually isn't your chief criteria. You want the best response time; specifically the best response time for 4K@60Hz and 1080p@120Hz. OLED screens have best response times of any display type. They're faster than even TN panels.

The LG's I highlighted above are the best monitors one could own for a PS5 or Xbox Series X. There's nothing better for motion performance.

I was looking it up and it seems there is a c3 and c4. is there any major improvements in the new models? also, what if the ps5 pro has a higher frame rate? would I be limited by the C2 in that case?

 

[Madmick]

I was looking it up and it seems there is a c3 and c4. is there any major improvements in the new models? also, what if the ps5 pro has a higher frame rate? would I be limited by the C2 in that case?

Makes sense. LG names their panels coherently. The CX/C1/C2/C3/C4 corresponds to the year of the line. I hadn't updated my personal links in a while.

From an Rtings comparison it looks like the newer ones just bring all the usual incremental improvements. Everything just gets a tiny bit better. In recent years, the thing that has improved most from year to year is peak brightness, even if only for very brief periods, and the ability of the display to more dynamically show different brightness levels in different zones of the screen at the same time. Not much difference. So if you can find a really good price on an older one you might spring for that.

However, with the C3 update over the C2, there is one improvement that stands out to me above the normal year-to-year enhancements. It's the Pre-Calibration Color grading of the unit they tested. Given, this can always be an outlier when the models haven't been tuned, but from 8.2 to 8.9 is a really big jump. And for almost everybody that's the more important grade to look at than Post-Calibration because almost none of us own colorimeters, and optimize our TVs.

LG C2 vs C3 OLED: Which TV Is Better?

The LG C3 OLED and the LG C2 OLED are very similar TVs, with the C3 being a marginal improvement over its predecessor. The C3 is a bit brighter, but this isn't noticeable in practice. The C3 also has better low-resolution sharpness processing, making legacy content on DVDs or low-resolution...

www.rtings.com

Rtings hasn't reviewed the C4 models yet, but if those are already out, those will be the latest and greatest in the line.

LG C3 Series 42-Inch Class OLED evo 4K Processor Smart TV for Gaming with Magic Remote AI-Powered OLED42C3PUA, 2023 with Alexa Built-in​

 

[KidBaize]

Do you guys think a 5600x CPU will bottleneck a rx7800xt GPU?

I'm trying to decide if I should upgrade to a 5700x3d now that I have a better GPU. I have an x570 motherboard so a 5700x3d or 5800x3d would be the best CPU's for that old gen AM4 mobo.

 

[Madmick]

Do you guys think a 5600x CPU will bottleneck a rx7800xt GPU?

I'm trying to decide if I should upgrade to a 5700x3d now that I have a better GPU. I have an x570 motherboard so a 5700x3d or 5800x3d would be the best CPU's for that old gen AM4 mobo.

No, I don't think that CPU upgrade is worth it.

 

[KidBaize]

No, I don't think that CPU upgrade is worth it.

Thanks. I'm lazy so I don't really want to replace the CPU unless it's necessary.

I watched a few videos yesterday comparing gameplay between the 5600x and 5800x3d and the results were confusing. There was usually about 10-20% improvement in FPS but the 5600x actually outperformed the 5800x3d in some games. Very weird.