Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Madmick]

This is nuts.
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[560ti]

And holy shit is that Ryzen 5600X3D bundle at Microcenter tempting. Looks like I'll be returning my 12400 and B660.

The i7 12700k bundle with a Z board and 16GB DDR5 is only 20 more dollars than the 5600x3d bundle

Much better deal (better motherboard, better overall CPU, newer features, and the ability to upgrade to 13th or 14th Gen vs being platform locked on AM4)

 

[My Spot]

The i7 12700k bundle with a Z board and 16GB DDR5 is only 20 more dollars than the 5600x3d bundle

Much better deal (better motherboard, better overall CPU, newer features, and the ability to upgrade to 13th or 14th Gen vs being platform locked on AM4)

Not better for gaming though.

 

[My Spot]

How weird is it that there are more Microcenters in north Georgia than in the entire state of California?

 

[560ti]

Not better for gaming though.

Says who? In most of the fully updated test suites I've seen for 2023 the 5800X3D variant which is clocked higher than the 56003d variant and has two more cores is still anywhere from like equal to maybe 5% faster than the 12700k

The 5600 x 3D will not be noticeably faster in gaming than the 12700k (and mind you this is on an almost $2,000 graphics card too) and will be significantly slower in anything that's thread heavy

I'm not trying to rag on it but at the same time you do have to realize that this chip is more for people that already have the platform, compared to discounted 12th gen or modern 13th gen/AM5 it's nothing special

What makes this chips special is how it's doing this good this many years after the socket debuted. 12700k bundle with better motherboard, modern ram, more features, 30-40% better multi thread potential, similar gaming performance, and the ability to actually upgrade in the future is EASILY worth 20 more dollars

 

[My Spot]

Says who? In most of the fully updated test suites I've seen for 2023 the 5800X3D variant which is clocked higher than the 56003d variant and has two more cores is still anywhere from like equal to maybe 5% faster than the 12700k

The 5600 x 3D will not be noticeably faster in gaming than the 12700k and will be significantly slower in anything that's thread heavy

I'm not trying to rag on it but at the same time you do have to realize that this chip is more for people that already have the platform, compared to discounted 12th gen or modern 13th gen/AM5 it's nothing special

What makes us chips special is how it's doing this good this many years after the socket debuted. 12700k bundle with better motherboard, modern ram, more features, 30-40% better multi thread potential, similar gaming performance, and the ability to actually upgrade in the future is EASILY worth 20 more dollars

Take it up with Tech Jesus and Toms Hardware.

 

[560ti]

Take it up with Tech Jesus and Toms Hardware.

Neither have reviewed the 5600x3d

 

[My Spot]

Neither have reviewed the 5600x3d

But you supposedly have.

 

[560ti]

But you supposedly have.

I'm not the one making the outlandish claims of a chip that's not even out. I said the 12700k goes toe to toe with the 5800x3d (similar to slightly worst gaming performance but much better multi-thread use, more features, and not being platform locked) so a cut down variant of it (5600) isn't going to be a better value bundle

This isn't rocket science. There's a reason why they're only selling this bundle for $330 instead of more (anymore and your competing with superior modern bundles).

 

[My Spot]

I'm not the one making the outlandish claims of a chip that's not even out. I said the 12700k goes toe to toe with the 5800x3d (similar to slightly worst gaming performance but much better multi-thread use, more features, and not being platform locked) so a cut down variant of it (5600) isn't going to be a better value bundle

This isn't rocket science. There's a reason why they're only selling this bundle for $330 instead of more (anymore and your competing with superior modern bundles).

I'm not the one making the outlandish claims of a chip that's not even out, either. That's your fault.

 

[560ti]

That's your fault.

Literally nothing is my fault. All of I've done is explained to you why for $20 more you can get a much superior system/platform. It's a better bundle for sure, that's exactly why Microcenter can't price the other bundle any higher (it's already going to be a tough sell to get a consumer to buy a platform that's 6 years old and discontinued)

 

[My Spot]

Literally nothing is my fault. All of I've done is explained to you why for $20 more you can get a much superior system/platform. It's a better bundle for sure, that's exactly why Microcenter can't price the other bundle any higher (it's already going to be a tough sell to get a consumer to buy a platform that's 6 years old and discontinued)

Except it's not much superior for gaming. So you're doing it. Again.

 

[560ti]

Except it's not much superior for gaming.

Oh darn. More modern features, better motherboard, better multi threaded performance, platform that still has another generation of unleased processors but damn it's that saving 20 dollars and might only offering similar level of gaming performance that's the kicker

 

[My Spot]

Oh darn. More modern features, better motherboard, better multi threaded performance, platform that still has another generation of unleased processors but damn it's that saving 20 dollars and might only offering similar level of gaming performance that's the kicker

 

[560ti]

Exactly. You go into any computer forum and post those 2 bundles and at least 80% are picking the 12700k bundle. It's a no brainer ($20 extra bucks it's easily worth it). Even @Madmick would agree strongly with that one

 

[My Spot]

Exactly. You go into any computer forum and post those 2 bundles and at least 80% are picking the 12700k bundle. It's a no brainer ($20 extra bucks it's easily worth it). Even @Madmick would agree strongly with that one

 

[KaNesDeath]

@My Spot 12700K combo is the better option.

 

[My Spot]

@My Spot 12700K combo is the better option.

Not for gaming (which even he already admitted).

 

[Madmick]

So what's funny is that I read the 5600X3D would be a "Microcenter exclusive", but apparently that's only for the CPU a la carte, because they're selling the bundle on Amazon via their "Inland Store" for the same price, but minus the RAM. So they might be the exlusive retailer, but they aren't restricting purchase to themselves as an exclusive marketplace:
https://www.amazon.com/12-Thread-Unlocked-Processor-B550-PLUS-Motherboard/dp/B0BG5B1HXT?th=1

$330 bundle

1. AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (6pc/12t)
2. ASUS B550-Plus TUF Gaming
3. G. Skill Ripjaw V 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz 16-18-18-38 RAM

$350 bundle

1. Intel i7-12700K (8pc+4ec/20t)
2. ASUS Z690-P Prime WiFi DDR5
3. 16GB G. Skill Flare X5 16GB DDR5-5600 36-36-36-89

Yeah, @My Spot, that's a no-brainer. The 12700K is a better deal even for gaming. Recall that the 5800X3D only barely outperforms the 12700K. It's not even clear yet the 5600X3D will be better by itself.

Then bear in mind that while DDR5 RAM hasn't provided a huge boon to framerates, thanks to that 5600MHz vs. 3200MHz advantage alone, one could expect the 12700K to close the gap even on the 5800X3D.

 

[My Spot]

So what's funny is that I read the 5600X3D would be a "Microcenter exclusive", but apparently that's only for the CPU a la carte, because they're selling the bundle on Amazon via their "Inland Store" for the same price, but minus the RAM. So they might be the exlusive retailer, but they aren't restricting purchase to themselves as an exclusive marketplace:
https://www.amazon.com/12-Thread-Unlocked-Processor-B550-PLUS-Motherboard/dp/B0BG5B1HXT?th=1

$330 bundle

1. AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (6pc/12t)
2. ASUS B550-Plus TUF Gaming
3. G. Skill Ripjaw V 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz 16-18-18-38 RAM

$350 bundle

1. Intel i7-12700K (8pc+4ec/20t)
2. ASUS Z690-P Prime WiFi DDR5
3. 16GB G. Skill Flare X5 16GB DDR5-5600 36-36-36-89

Yeah, @My Spot, that's a no-brainer. The 12700K is a better deal even for gaming. Recall that the 5800X3D only barely outperforms the 12700K. It's not even clear yet the 5600X3D will be better by itself.

Then bear in mind that while DDR5 RAM hasn't provided a huge boon to framerates, thanks to that 5600MHz vs. 3200MHz advantage alone, one could expect the 12700K to close the gap even on the 5800X3D.