Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Slobodan said:
My 7900XTX arrived.

Powercolor Radeon RX 7900 XTX Red Devil LE OC 24GB

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Nice build! Clean.
 
Gigabyte please to be the first to show their 4090ti graphics card. They warn you will need to takedown part of your house an install industrial grade chillers to keep the system cool.

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Madmick said:
Next time watch the video before you post it because of the headline. This emoji is I was doing. "The 4080 isn't selling well..." Rolls screenshot showing every online inventory sold out in the USA.
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Sounds like you didn’t watch the video
 
Slobodan said:
Where are you seeing them for that price?
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There's heaps in stock:

MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card

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Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card

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At my local store (all 4080s)
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Neph said:
I'm sitting on a 3080 (10GB model) for now so I'll probably wait out this generation.

Although they are out of stock at my local store, the 7900 XTX is advertised for $1789 AUD there which is $1191 USD (price includes all taxes). I'd probably go that way if I felt the need.
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I got my 7900XTX from PC Case Gear, some of the AIB models will have a premium attached compared to the Reference models so keep that in mind.
 
Blayt7hh said:
Sounds like you didn’t watch the video
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Where is the response to the points I raised, then?

This is the situation. GPU sales are down across the board. That's not just true for new cards or flagships. That's all of them. Globally. Despite the crash in prices we've seen post-Crypto. I mentioned this earlier. NVIDIA obviously projected this downturn. That's why they released two new cards at a historically high price, and almost certainly with a historically high profit margin. Knowing that late 2022 would see this downturn, they figured out their best strategy to maximize profit yield was to increase the profit per unit.

This is why stocks are out nearly across the board. Because they aren't producing the same number of xx80 units as with past generations. That was never the strategy. Again, I'm yet to hear how this contradicts the truth that stocks are sold out, selling out far north of MSRP, and as just demonstrated, even selling out rapidly at sampled Microcenter locations. They might be grossly overpriced, but they're moving at that price.
 
Madmick said:
Where is the response to the points I raised, then?

This is the situation. GPU sales are down across the board. That's not just true for new cards or flagships. That's all of them. Globally. Despite the crash in prices we've seen post-Crypto. I mentioned this earlier. NVIDIA obviously projected this downturn. That's why they released two new cards at a historically high price, and almost certainly with a historically high profit margin. Knowing that late 2022 would see this downturn, they figured out their best strategy to maximize profit yield was to increase the profit per unit.

This is why stocks are out nearly across the board. Because they aren't producing the same number of xx80 units as with past generations. That was never the strategy. Again, I'm yet to hear how this contradicts the truth that stocks are sold out, selling out far north of MSRP, and as just demonstrated, even selling out rapidly at sampled Microcenter locations. They might be grossly overpriced, but they're moving at that price.
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In the video that you allegedly watched
 
Madmick said:
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I’m sorry but it is. I’d bother explaining it more but I think you already know it and just don’t want to lose the debate. So no matter what I say you’re going to type out some massive post to try and obfuscate it.
 
Blayt7hh said:
I’m sorry but it is. I’d bother explaining it more but I think you already know it and just don’t want to lose the debate. So no matter what I say you’re going to type out some massive post to try and obfuscate it.
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Nameless King said:
@Madmick any opinion on these? tdp appears to be decent, not sure about performance

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Those are just the lower performance non-K variants that release like they do every generation. For example, with the 13900 vs. the 13900K:
  • -200 MHz = Single Core P-Turbo ("P" for power cores)
  • -200 MHz = P-Turbo 3.0
  • -200 MHz = P-Turbo
  • -100 MHz = E-Turbo ("E" for efficiency cores)
  • -1000 MHz = P-core base clock
  • -700 MHz = E-core base clock

For benchmark comparisons, including gaming, it's the turbo comparisons that tend to matter most. Although for more recent generations the gap has widened a bit between the K and non-K variants due to the lower power targets because the power consumption has become so great. For gaming, you're just better going off with lesser CPU from the K line if that's your desire (i.e. get the 13700K instead of the 13900, or the 13600K instead of the 13700).
 
Thermalright Assassin King 120 SE for $16.02 on Amazon. 5 Heatpipe 120mm single tower cooler.
 
My Spot said:
No 13400 non K?

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There is, but the i5-13400F will be an even better buy for gamers who intend to purchase a discrete GPU. It appears that $243 and $216 are the intended prices. Meanwhile, there is also an i5-13500, and it is particularly attractive running in the PL1 Unlimited mode where it mops the floor with the 12600K in Cinebench even if the latter is running in the same state. The two early samples each of the 13500 and 13400 showing up on Passmark are notching a similarly impressive average; particularly when you note single core scores.

Ten years ago the value strategy for tech-savvy buyers with self-built PCs containing powerful cooling was to buy a "K" processor, and then overclock it. Today, it appears the strategy is to buy a non-K processor, and run it in an unlimited power state.
 
Madmick said:
There is, but the i5-13400F will be an even better buy for gamers who intend to purchase a discrete GPU. It appears that $243 and $216 are the intended prices. Meanwhile, there is also an i5-13500, and it is particularly attractive running in the PL1 Unlimited mode where it mops the floor with the 12600K in Cinebench even if the latter is running in the same state. The two early samples each of the 13500 and 13400 showing up on Passmark are notching a similarly impressive average; particularly when you note single core scores.

Ten years ago the value strategy for tech-savvy buyers with self-built PCs containing powerful cooling was to buy a "K" processor, and then overclock it. Today, it appears the strategy is to buy a non-K processor, and run it in an unlimited power state.
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this is what i'm doing, despite paying extra for the unlocked cpu and motherboard. i have a 11700k and a z590 motherboard for it and i dont even manually overclock it. i just let it do its thing. as long as it keeps cool itll just keep all the cores at 4.9-5.0 ghz when im gaming. this motherfucker can draw up to 300 watts of power though, though it only really ever goes between 100-170 watts in games and with my noctua nh-d15 behemoth of an air cooler i havent yet been able to get it over 70 degrees unless i'm putting it under some extreme torture tests. its still factory rated to draw up to 125 watts, but when you pair it with most motherboards they will remove that limit straight out of the box. you actually have to go into your bios and set a power limit on your cpu if you want to run your shit at stock speeds. at least with my asus board, and most others as well to my knowledge.

i think all the new higher end intel cpu's do that though. AMD not so much. but for the most part the Ryzen cpu's are pretty good on power and don't really draw an outrageous amount of power while under load. intel on the otherhand, with intel the TDP of their processors is just a marketing gimmick, and power consumption is simply just an afterthought to them!

i dont fuck with my gpu in msi afterburner like i used to. i just set the power limit to 120% and it boosts itself up real nice on its own. just like all of my other asus strix cards ive ever owned, the fans stay quiet and the card runs cool and it boosts as high as i want even on a stock fan curve, so i dont even bother playing with the clocks and memory speeds anymore.

i guess overclocking is a thing of the past. these days the shit just overclocks itself as long as you can give it the power and keep it cool. the only thing i had to overclock on the rig i put together a year or two ago was the ram. just had to enable the XMP to let it run at its rated speed and timings and that was it. everything else just does itself. i dont have to spend all week fucking around with it and trying to dial in the most optimal overclock like i did with my 4690k back in its day.

these days i just cant be bothered to have to go through all that again. if i'm doing a build and i really needed to overclock my cpu for some reason, i'd just bite the bullet and spend a bit more on a more capable cpu instead just to get me those extra frames i need to hit my target. i'm just happy that these newer generations of cpu's seem to do a good enough job of boosting on its own. but with the power draw of the higher end chips, the fucking intel guys expect you to be the kind of guy who doesnt mind driving a semi truck a few blocks down the road and burning through a hundred gallons of gas just to pick up a bottle of milk and a loaf of bread. you won't be saving much of anything on your power bills going intel over AMD thats for damn sure.
 
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