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My Spot said:
And even the 6600 XT is cheaper too.
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What makes this even more insane is the 6600XT is a tad slower than the RTX 2080 while the 3050 is literally on par with a GTX 1070.......

If you told me 2 years ago that AMD would be selling a RTX 2080 equivalent GPU for cheaper than what Nvidia was selling for a GTX 1070 equivalent GPU I'd straight up say "yeah that will never happen in a million years"

Well, here we are :(
 
Law Talkin’ Guy said:
Prices suck performance looks pretty darned good:

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We don’t know the performance yet. These companies always make nutty claims about it that are never true. I seen them claiming 2-4times the performance of a 3080 Ti based on the game…

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KaNesDeath said:
With these prices going forward. Looks like i'll always be 1.5 generations behind.

$750 i spent for my 1080ti in 2017 was a one time purchase. Promised myself to never spend that much for a GPU again.
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It's kind of crazy when you think about it. A whole console system doesn't cost nearly as much as a XX80 or above it seems.

Now it looks like the supply has gone up, the economy is going sideways, yet they want to keep the same or kind of similar pricing?!?!?!?!
 
560ti said:
What makes this even more insane is the 6600XT is a tad slower than the RTX 2080 while the 3050 is literally on par with a GTX 1070.......

If you told me 2 years ago that AMD would be selling a RTX 2080 equivalent GPU for cheaper than what Nvidia was selling for a GTX 1070 equivalent GPU I'd straight up say "yeah that will never happen in a million years"

Well, here we are :(
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The 3050 is on par with the 1070? I have a 1070. It's like 7 years old. I would have thought the 3050 would be like double the performance lol, it's two generations later! Glad I didn't get one hehe.
 
Blayt7hh said:
We don’t know the performance yet. These companies always make nutty claims about it that are never true. I seen them claiming 2-4times the performance of a 3080 Ti based on the game…

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Did you watch the video I posted? That was Digital Foundries’ own footage comparing Cyberpunk on a 3090Ti running DLSS 2.0 vs a 4090 running both DLSS 2.0 and 3.0 and it was like 2.5x as fast and 4x as fast, respectively.
 
Unknown Pleasures said:
It's kind of crazy when you think about it. A whole console system doesn't cost nearly as much as a XX80 or above it seems.

Now it looks like the supply has gone up, the economy is going sideways, yet they want to keep the same or kind of similar pricing?!?!?!?!
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Well, they are doing it because they think consumers will pay it anyways. They’re probably right.
 
Law Talkin’ Guy said:
Did you watch the video I posted? That was Digital Foundries’ own footage comparing Cyberpunk on a 3090Ti running DLSS 2.0 vs a 4090 running both DLSS 2.0 and 3.0 and it was like 2.5x as fast and 4x as fast, respectively.
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When the reviews come out it’s not going to be getting 2.5x the performance. We do this song and dance every generation

The NDAs are still in effect. Anything you’re seeing right now is highly curated to build hype.
 
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Unknown Pleasures said:
The 3050 is on par with the 1070? I have a 1070. It's like 7 years old. I would have thought the 3050 would be like double the performance lol, it's two generations later! Glad I didn't get one hehe.
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It was the same thing with the 3060. It's the same performance as a 4-year-old RTX 2070 and only like $50-70 cheaper at most brick n motar stores then what the original 2070 launched at over 4 years ago. The 3060 was so overpriced and so under-powered that Nvidia actually started manufacturing and selling the RTX 2060 line again about 5 months ago (lmao)

Luckily AMD kept the mid-range somewhat alive with the 6600 and 6600XT because the 3050/3060 sure as hell wasn't
 
560ti said:
Luckily AMD kept the mid-range somewhat alive with the 6600 and 6600XT because the 3050/3060 sure as hell wasn't
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AMD does this in the GPU market because its the only way they can move units. In the CPU market they pull the same BS pricing hikes.
 
LOL, they increased prices over the gen released during the crypto boom! Are these assholes for real? Their ego is out of control.
Law Talkin’ Guy said:
Did you watch the video I posted? That was Digital Foundries’ own footage comparing Cyberpunk on a 3090Ti running DLSS 2.0 vs a 4090 running both DLSS 2.0 and 3.0 and it was like 2.5x as fast and 4x as fast, respectively.
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Who cares about comparisons while running DLSS? That should be an afterthought. That's more significant to comparing DLSS performance across generations than comparing GPU strength across generations. It's a niche consideration tangential to the core review. In fact, it's such a niche consideration it should form a separate review, of DLSS, and not even be a distraction in a core review of a GPU.
 
Madmick said:
LOL, they increased prices over the gen released during the crypto boom! Are these assholes for real? Their ego is out of control.

Who cares about comparisons while running DLSS? That should be an afterthought. That's more significant to comparing DLSS performance across generations than comparing GPU strength across generations. It's a niche consideration tangential to the core review. In fact, it's such a niche consideration it should form a separate review, of DLSS, and not even be a distraction in a core review of a GPU.
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yeah I don't know why you would be interested in DLSS really with a card like a 4090, unless I am missing some advantage to it. Maybe on like a 4060 it would be more relevant
 
Okay, I'm trying to figure out more concrete comparisons, and so far this chart supplied by Digital Trends is proving the most helpful:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-4090-3090-3090-ti/

They're still using a few rumored specs, but that's all I needed to fill out the chart. Everything you see below in red is rumored, or extrapolated from rumor. If accurate, there is absolutely no way we will see a 4x performance increase with this card over the 3090 Ti. Assuming the rumored specs are accurate:
  • Shading and texturing uplift will be huge: ~2.3x the 3090 Ti, and ~2.6x the 3090.
  • Processing power (i.e. FLOPS) will be just over double the 3090 Ti, and ~2.3x the 3090.
  • The memory profile will be exactly the same as the 3090 Ti (amount, type, clock, and bandwidth)
  • The most significant improvement of all will be in machine learning & ray-tracing (+71% cores) which would explain why they're so keen to show off DLSS performance in ray-traced titles.
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Unknown Pleasures said:
The 3050 is on par with the 1070? I have a 1070. It's like 7 years old. I would have thought the 3050 would be like double the performance lol, it's two generations later! Glad I didn't get one hehe.
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Yeah, generally speaking, cards usually drop down a tier compared to the new gen. So your 1070 was probably about on par with a 2060, which is about on par with a 3050 and so forth. Not always true but it does seem to go that way a lot
 
KaNesDeath said:
With these prices going forward. Looks like i'll always be 1.5 generations behind.

$750 i spent for my 1080ti in 2017 was a one time purchase. Promised myself to never spend that much for a GPU again.
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I wish I had that willpower. 1080ti is still a beast though.
 
So I came back tonight to look at the 4080 more closely, and I discovered the price hike is even more egregious than previously realized. They pushed the 4090 to the forefront in the hopes people wouldn't notice.

For the 4080, it's a +$200 price hike, and that's only for the 12GB variant (a miserly +2GB VRAM over the launch version of the 3080, and they're both GDDR6X). Meanwhile, the 4080 is unimpressive. It's advantages over the 3080 are far less drastic than the 4090's advantages over the 3090 Ti. In fact, the 3080 actually has higher VRAM bandwidth than the 4080, LOL. The 16GB is absurd at $1199, and so far, they haven't declared any enhancements over the 12GB card other than the VRAM. Everything else is the same. You're expected to pay $300 for 4GB of VRAM. Holy shit. Fuck NVIDIA.

This is exactly what Intel needed. They're opening the door for Intel to become a player with that pricing if Intel aggressively undercuts them (especially if AMD doesn't). Updating my bullet lists below.

MSRP
  • RTX 4080* = $1199/$899 (October, 2022: +25 months)
  • RTX 3080* = $699 (September, 2020: +24 months)
  • RTX 2080 = $799 (September, 2018: +28 months)
  • GTX 1080 = $599 (May, 2016: +20 months)
  • GTX 980 = $549 (September, 2014: +16 months)
  • GTX 780 = $499 (May, 2013: +14 months)
  • GTX 680 = $499 (March, 2012: +16 months)
  • GTX 580 = $499 (November, 2010)

MSRP (Adjusted for Inflation; in August 2022 USD, the latest available month)
  • RTX 4080 = $1199 / $899
  • RTX 3080 = $795
  • RTX 2080 = $937
  • GTX 1080 = $738
  • GTX 980 = $683
  • GTX 780 = $634
  • GTX 680 = $644
  • GTX 580 = $675
*Unlike past generations, the RTX 3080 & RTX 4080 were not the strongest GPUs at launch, but the stronger 3090/4090 variants merely supplanted the Titan series, even if not in name, so it's still apples to apples.
 
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