Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Madmick said:
Intel owns every price point below $250, AMD owns every price point above. That's just where we are.
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I'll agree that the MSRP is an accurate representation of price to performance. Where the difference i believe lays in users upgrade path thats dependent upon their current motherboard chipset/socket version. Something AMD handled better than Intel over the past three(?) years. Which is the main contributing factor to their current market share.

AMD with the release of the 5000 series are nearly mimicking Intels methodology of new product line release. They tried to eliminate support on one of their chipset motherboards, higher end CPU's dont come with a heatsink and release pricing.
 
jefferz said:
6 years is still pretty good for a fan. Just a quick googling shows Be Quiet is 3 years, Phanteks 5 years, Lian Li 2 years, and Arctic is 10 years.

Did they start including a cooler with the 5800x? I thought they didn't include a cooler with the high end stuff.
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No fan came with mine, I don't think a cooler comes with the 5600x either.
 
KaNesDeath said:
I'll agree that the MSRP is an accurate representation of price to performance. Where the difference i believe lays in users upgrade path thats dependent upon their current motherboard chipset/socket version. Something AMD handled better than Intel over the past three(?) years. Which is the main contributing factor to their current market share.

AMD with the release of the 5000 series are nearly mimicking Intels methodology of new product line release. They tried to eliminate support on one of their chipset motherboards, higher end CPU's dont come with a heatsink and release pricing.
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I think the reason Zen is selling so much better is because both the average PC buyer and the average PC builder know so little they can't process more than, "Which is the best? AMD or Intel?" That was true when Intel was on top.

Because unlike past generations, for those buying today, the X570 and B550 motherboards are dead sockets, they won't support the next generation, and they don't hold any advantages for cheaper processors, either. So I don't believe that is it. I also doubt that many who bought Zen 2 (3700X, 3600, etc.) or even Zen+ (2700X, 2700, 2600) a few years ago on older motherboards, including the B450/X470 which AMD belatedly supported for Zen 3, are upgrading to Zen 3 processors. They aren't running into games they can't run, and that's what motivates most gamers to upgrade.
Clifford_Harris said:
No fan came with mine, I don't think a cooler comes with the 5600x either.
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The Stealth does, IIRC, but it isn't sufficient to cool it (as modest as the 5600X's demands are).
 
Madmick said:
I think the reason Zen is selling so much better is because both the average PC buyer and the average PC builder know so little they can't process more than, "Which is the best? AMD or Intel?" That was true when Intel was on top.

Because unlike past generations, for those buying today, the X570 and B550 motherboards are dead sockets, they won't support the next generation, and they don't hold any advantages for cheaper processors, either. So I don't believe that it is. I also doubt that many who bought Zen 2 (3700X, 3600, etc.) or even Zen+ (2700X, 2700, 2600) a few years ago on older motherboards, including the B450/X470 which AMD belated supported for Zen 3, are upgrading to Zen 3 processors. They aren't running into games they can't run, and that's what motivates most gamers to upgrade.

The Stealth does, IIRC, but it isn't sufficient to cool it (as modest as the 5600X's demands are).
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I really think you are correct about “people just buy the best” but I also think it’s a “people buy the best in their price range.” I was kind of a bit shocked at how expensive the new higher end processors are atm as my last chip is a 6700k which it memory serves me right I got at about a year after release for just under 300.

At the rate things are going with prices the high end chip market is going to serve such a tiny portion of the gaming population I wonder how much games will be programmed at top end products over the next 4-5 years with processors sitting in the 500 range and gpus in the 1500 it’s becoming totally unaffordable as a standard. Only a few years ago I got a top end processor and 1080ti ftw3 for 1000. :(
 
Madmick said:
Did anybody notice that Noctua reduced their warranties across the board from 10 years to 6 years?

They managed to pull that off on the DL. I threw out a Google search and didn't even see a Reddit thread on the topic.
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I did not but this is going on all over atm with anyone who might be making something that goes in a Bitcoin farm setup of any kind.
 
SeefourDC said:
I did not but this is going on all over atm with anyone who might be making something that goes in a Bitcoin farm setup of any kind.
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Bitcoin farms aren't buying Noctua gear. They're either buying the cheapest thing they can get in bulk or server grade stuff like Delta's.
 
Signing up for that EVGA wait list seemed like a waste of time cause I waited to long. Looking at the EVGA wait list on reddit though its actually going to have been a good idea. I already have a 3080 but I'll sell it to my cousin if he wants it. If not I'll find someone.
 
jefferz said:
Bitcoin farms aren't buying Noctua gear. They're either buying the cheapest thing they can get in bulk or server grade stuff like Delta's.
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It's not just huge corporations that are farming bitcoin. A lot of people are doing it on their home builds for a little extra cash. It's not just GPU's changing warranty policy atm. SSD companies are saying farming bitcoin may void your warranty entirely as an example. Warranty changes are happening all over the industry atm.
 
SeefourDC said:
It's not just huge corporations that are farming bitcoin. A lot of people are doing it on their home builds for a little extra cash. It's not just GPU's changing warranty policy atm. SSD companies are saying farming bitcoin may void your warranty entirely as an example. Warranty changes are happening all over the industry atm.
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you literally said Bitcoin farms in your post and I responded to that.
 
SeefourDC said:
I really think you are correct about “people just buy the best” but I also think it’s a “people buy the best in their price range.” I was kind of a bit shocked at how expensive the new higher end processors are atm as my last chip is a 6700k which it memory serves me right I got at about a year after release for just under 300.

At the rate things are going with prices the high end chip market is going to serve such a tiny portion of the gaming population I wonder how much games will be programmed at top end products over the next 4-5 years with processors sitting in the 500 range and gpus in the 1500 it’s becoming totally unaffordable as a standard. Only a few years ago I got a top end processor and 1080ti ftw3 for 1000. :(
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You'd assume so, but the sales data (including that we can infer) indicates this isn't true. If it were, the i5-10600K and i5-10400 would have been the bestsellers for the past 4-5 months, and I've seen nothing to indicate that is the case. But perhaps I'm wrong. Reddit's souring on AMD would indicate the shift to an Intel preference for budget gamers is already taking place.

AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel keep increasing the price of the best performance for CPUs and GPUs, but at the same time, the minimum expenditure for a build that is relevant to play the latest titles has never been cheaper. This is especially true if you adjust for inflation, and if you do, RAM is also at an all-time low. Meanwhile, the longevity of these builds has gotten longer and longer, and simultaneously, if looking backwards, the libraries of games is larger than ever, with even non-retro gamers not put off by games that are a decade old because the graphics hold up (as the approach to photorealism has decelerated).
 
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Source: Moore's Law Is Dead via Overclock3D.net

RDNA 3 is projected to hit in the second half of next year. I know that isn't really exciting but a couple factors to consider:
1) That is only a little more than a year from now
2) Like anyone is getting a GPU in the next year

AMD has made a clear and public announcement about this, and their confidence indicates they are likely to make good on the claim:
That we'll be seeing at the very least a 60 - 80% performance increase from the 6900 XT. "Performance" is a broad term for a myriad of different metrics but the bottom line is it will be superior to the 3090 in every way.
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RDNA 3 will utilize a "chiplet" type architecture-- it will feature an I/O die and "at least 1 compute die". They mention that RDNA 3 cards will also possess lower power consumption. I don't know if they mean lower relative to performance increase, or lower than RDNA 2 period, but either way temp limits will be less of a concern.

Finally AMD has stated they truly believe they will provide feasible competition and an actual victory (for this round at least) over NVidia.

I realize no company is going to come out and say "Yeah we can't do it", but the fact that they seem so confident in delivering good competition is very interesting. That paired with the Zen 4 series will make things very interesting.

I just hope the 7900 XT has some variants that look as pretty as this
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Steelseries has a brand-wide sale going:
https://slickdeals.net/f/15047308-s...upto-40-off-70?src=catpagev2_catnav_computers

@Badger67, the Steelseries Stratus Duo gaming controller above is considered probably the finest third-party option on the market. Its primary competition for that distinction is probably the SCUF controllers. The above is $20 off the normal $60 MSRP which matches the official XSX controller MSRP. This is an example of an X-Input controller as I explained to you in the other thread. This means if you connect it via USB cord or pair it via Bluetooth a Windows PC will treat it exactly like an Xbox controller, and it will work just as it does with an Xbox for any PC game that is designed to play with a controller (this includes every title that is multiplatform that exists on the consoles). It's automatic, out-of-the-box plug n' play on Windows 10. It also works with Android.

Although, with the arrival of haptic feedback support on Metro Exodus, it is difficult to advise any controller purchase other than the a Dualshock 5, now, even for PC gamers, despite the heftier $70 price tag. PS5 owners and the press alike appear to be in a consensus agreement that it feels like a step forward in the evolution of gaming, and not a mere gimmick.
https://www.techradar.com/how-to/how-to-use-the-ps5-dualsense-controller-on-a-pc

Perhaps the most compelling reason to choose an alternative to the DS5 would be those who desire the controller's own audio port to work with wired analog headphones as @method115 mentioned in that thread. The XSX and newer Xbox One controllers should support that out of the box, but IIRC, if you have one of the original Xbox One controllers, it may require the Microsoft Windows Wireless Adapter to support that feature.

Bear in mind most PC gamers who desire headphones would probably opt for a pair of (wireless) headphones that operate separately from the controller. Steelseries make some of the most acclaimed products of this variety. The Steelseries Arctic Pro + Gamedac is a contender for the finest wireless PC gaming headset in existence. It remains the famous Rtings lab's top pick.

I know you're a console gamer, but I thought I'd offer further enlightenment on how simple PC gaming has become.
 
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