Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

MusterX said:
I didn't wait. I made most of the changes you recommended including getting the Lian Li case and ordered. The thing about it is, I'm not really obsessed with being on the cutting edge because I buy a new computer every 2-3 years, and closer to 2 than 3. The RTX 2070 should handle anything I'm doing including VR applications so in the end I just have to accept that sometimes these sorts of things happen. I could have waited and bought the Super RTX 2060 or 2070 but the overall price may not have been as low because I received discounts on multiple components for this 4th of July sale.

But in reality...

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Actually, don't sweat it. It slipped my mind, but you're 100% right about the custom builders. They will charge a much steeper premium on the new components than the self-building market for first several months after release, at least.

I also think there's a very strong possibility that AMD won't be able to manufacture nearly enough Ryzen to meet demand, and NVIDIA will probably face the same problem with the new RTX super line since that's what everyone was waiting for last year. That's one of the reasons custom builders charge such a steep premium on those parts. They and the AIOs get priority shipment from AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA. This has pissed of builders several times in recent years because they noticed they could buy the new hardware if they bought an Alienware or a CyperpowerPC, but they couldn't get the part at all on the open market.
 
There are a lot of 4th of July sales tomorrow. I thought I would also remind everyone, though, that Amazon Prime day is coming up, and has been extended to 48 hours this year.

I don't recall it being great last year, for anything, but especially gaming hardware; still, maybe keep your eyes peeled for posted upcoming sales.
Amazon Prime Day PC deals: laptops, video games, PC components
US deals
Some announced deals so far for this year:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/best-prime-day-deals,39341.html
 
Madmick said:
There are a lot of 4th of July sales tomorrow. I thought I would also remind everyone, though, that Amazon Prime day is coming up, and has been extended to 48 hours this year.

I don't recall it being great last year, for anything, but especially gaming hardware; still, maybe keep your eyes peeled for posted upcoming sales.
Amazon Prime Day PC deals: laptops, video games, PC components
US deals
Some announced deals so far for this year:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/best-prime-day-deals,39341.html
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Intel 660p 2tb for $177 on Newegg
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Those Intel SSD's aren't a sale. They've been going a lot cheaper than that lately
 
price cuts on amd GPUs ahead of their launch day...

can't wait to see more benchmarks for ryzen 3 since it seems like RAM has been making a variance in their scores so far.

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Direct link to Amazon Prime's PC Gaming Sales:
https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=15201447011
Quite a few prebuilts on here, but none of them are gangbuster sales. We've seen the HP Pavilion (Ryzen 2400g + RX 580 + 8GB RAM + 1TB HDD) as low as $529, not $629. We've seen the CyberpowerPC unit (i5-9400F + GTX 1660) for $729, not $799, and the high-end unit (9900K + RTX 2070) for $1399, not $1699. That's true for nearly every item I see; I can personally recall a lower price. It seems the more heavily they market this day, as the years go by, the less impressive its actual sales.


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Yep, and not even a day later in the post-July 4th sales landscape, IGN is tracking an Amazon Prime "pre-sale" on competitor units from other vendors that is better than the Prime Day quotes above.
Daily Deals: Score a Powerful GTX 1660 Ti Gaming Desktop PC for Under $700
https://www.walmart.com/ip/iBUYPOWE...30488729250598569733&affillinktype=10&veh=aff
  • Walmart: ($699) iBuyPower -----------> i5-9400F + GTX 1660 Ti + 8GB RAM + 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD
  • Prime Day: ($799) CyberpowerPC --> i5-9400F + GTX 1660* + 8GB RAM + 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD
*The GTX 1660 Ti variant is currently $929 on Amazon (+$230 vs. Walmart)

Upgrade to the GPU for $100 less. Prime Day sucks, it's a scam, but at least it creates legit sales from competitors like the above. Now that's a heck of a comp for not much.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bcnRQZ
 
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A German review of the 3900X and 3700X. The reality check deepens.

This test has already been removed from their website most likely because they didn't rerun post-1903 build benchmarks for the 9900K with the security updates for meltdown, spectre, etc. So the 9900K looks better than it should. On the other hand, their old benchmarks also tested the 9900K at 2666 Mhz RAM. While Intel isn't as RAM-dependent as Ryzen, it can support bandwidth significantly beyond that, and no meaningful benchmark today should be running the RAM on an Intel below 3200 MHz.

From the screenshots capped we can see the R9-3900X ($499) is losing in every game benchmark here except Assassin's Creed. It often is losing to the Coffee Lake i5s (i5-9600K, i5-8600K).
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryze...Tests/Ryzen-7-3700X-Benchmark-Review-1293361/

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Official Ryzen benchmarks should be interesting. AMD kinda ran there mouth so they better back it up when benchmarks are released.

5700XT with that price drop should be very interesting. If it does offer just below stock 1080ti performance for $400 then that would be a good buy for sure. It will also put enough pressure on Nvidia to where the freaking retailers won't inflate the prices of the 2070S which the retailers have loved doing the last 3 generations of Nvidia cards (mostly due to AMD not having a viable alternative)
 
Anybody noticed the unique hardware popping up at Wal-Mart? Some of it is very intriguing at the price points:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/ATX-Mini...Translucent-Front-Side-Window-Panel/281384442

"Sintra" Gaming Case ($29.99)
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  • Front interface: USB 3.0 interface x1, USB 2.0 interface x1, headphone interface x1, microphone interface x1
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  • Thermal performance: front 12 cm 15 LED shark fin dazzle fan
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  • - Large area of glass panel application, front panel, both sides of the plate uniform full glass acrylic material, hardware light effect glance.
  • - Support m-atx and mini-itx small and medium-sized motherboard, solve the mini-case does not support m-atx motherboard problem.
  • - Mainstream competitive video card easy support (less than 24 cm), the market ATX standard power supply or long power supply support.
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I'd have to double check, but I don't think a single sub-$30 mATX case on PCPP right now comes with a case fan pre-installed. This ones has the 120mm LED in front.
 
Ryzen is out today and the reviews are already starting to roll out (in addition to the above German leak which appears legit if poorly constructed). Here is a Polish review of the R5-3600:
https://ithardware.pl/testyirecenzje/premierowy_test_amd_ryzen_5_3600_zen_na_trzecim_biegu-9706.html

They reviewed 13 games:
  1. Battlefield 1
  2. Battlefield 4: Shanghai
  3. CS:GO
  4. Crysis 3
  5. Dying Light
  6. Rise of the Tomb Raider
  7. Project CARS
  8. Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3
  9. Watchdogs 2
  10. The Witcher 3
  11. Crysis: Warhead
  12. Far Cry Primal
  13. Hitman

It's definitely a price-point game changer. It beats the i5-8600K at stock in most of these games. However, it still loses in some, and is loses the OC battle in most.
 


Motherboard solutions are required to achieve the greatest improvement X5XX chipsets are best for performance.
 
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/12
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https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ryzen-9-3900x-7-3700x-review,6214-7.html
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Extremetech's game benchmark slideshow is halfway down this page:
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...0x-and-ryzen-7-3900x-reviewed-red-storm-ryzen

1440p specific roundup here:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_3700x_ryzen_9_3900x_review,25.html


I don't know why I bother getting my hopes up over false benchmarks, anymore. The pipelines tell the truth, and my original analysis from when we got the complete figures on the new pipelines (weeks ago) proved to be the most accurate predictions for gaming performance. Again, Greg Salazar asked a hard question nobody else wanted to ask at Computex.
 
5700XT reviews are all over the place. Literally hearing anything from "slower than the regular 2060 in a handful of games" all the way to "barely slower on average to a 2070S".

Re-reviews next month with upgraded drivers and 3rd party coolers (some reviews complaining of performance lose due to throttling) should give us a better picture of what this card really is.
 
I had my eyes set on the R7 3800x but after seeing the reviews, it looks like I'm going to be refreshing pages for a R7-3700x.
And lol at Steve's 3900x dying.
 
Ryzen 3000 gaming benchmarks are a bit disappointing. The 3900X is barely above my i5 8400.

The 5700 XT is a great deal. Roughly equal to a 2070 Super and $100 less.

And you might able to get a 2080 from Office Depot right now for under $500.

 
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there's a driver error from pci express bus/nvidia GPUs causing the cpu not to boost properly.

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AMD seems to be bob the buildups again, all the hype, none of the realworld performance.
Applications - AMD is king, the 3900x is smashing everything in that department.
Gaming - 9900k and surprisingly 9700k are still king. |

So in my view AMD would be a better option for my build because I do use applications other than just playing games, unless there is a significant drop in price on a 9900k I'm guessing I may make the switch to AMD.... Unless Intel announce their Icelake stuff soon.
 
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Gonna go pick up the 3700x in a bit
 
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