Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Woldog]

I did notice the RAM was slower on the AMD side, but that isn't creating a 15% deficit. Besides, previous leaks from which those IPC estimates were drawn were also Geekbench, and would have been less refined.

Sure. Wait for Ice Lake. Intel already unveiled the low-powered mobile roadmap in May. This isn't an architectural refinement . This will be Intel's brand new architecture, and a response we should expect Intel is scrambling to prepare for Ryzen 3000 sometime this year. The 9900K released in October 2018, and the 8700K released October 2017.

This makes more sense for you because you've been patient so far considering your upgrade tendencies. You're still on the 7700K and Z170 Asus Sabretooth S, right? If so, you can't slot the 9900K into your motherboard in the first place. Incompatible. So you're going to have to buy a brand new motherboard. Might as well be whatever Ice Lake demands instead of a Z370 which is a glorified Z170 with vamped up VRMs, and a couple other upgrades. Like the X570 for Ryzen 3000 the new Intel motherboards will support PCIe 4.0.

So unless you have a broken game experience that is ravaging your day-to-day driving, I would hold off to see what they offer. Of course, this could mean you run into the same issue with your Noctua and the need for an adapter bracket. So if the sale is that killer, and you see a great price on a Z370 motherboard you want, the 9900K still might make sense.

Yeah that's a fair assessment (and yes still on my Z170 board), I usually keep my Mobo, CPU for as long as I can before upgrading, I was ready to do mobo and CPU for this but I thought I'd ask you first before I made an impulse buy. I'm not keen to go back to AMD after my last one, I can definitely wait to see what they bring out next at this stage and see how it stacks up against the 9900k and see what's better bang for my buck (Much the same way I did with my 1080ti even though I knew the 2080ti was coming, I wasn't impressed by early leaks)

 

[Madmick]

Yeah that's a fair assessment (and yes still on my Z170 board), I usually keep my Mobo, CPU for as long as I can before upgrading, I was ready to do mobo and CPU for this but I thought I'd ask you first before I made an impulse buy. I'm not keen to go back to AMD after my last one, I can definitely wait to see what they bring out next at this stage and see how it stacks up against the 9900k and see what's better bang for my buck (Much the same way I did with my 1080ti even though I knew the 2080ti was coming, I wasn't impressed by early leaks)

I figured. I have no desire to dissuade you from going with Intel. I just think it's worth waiting to jump on board the new Ice Lake architecture with the motherboard standard it brings. Cannon Lake never materialized as an actual product. They really mean it when they changed the language on their CPU cycles from "tick-tock" to "Process-Architecture-Optimization".

Cannon Lake was the "Process". Ice Lake will be the "Architecture". That means your motherboard should be compatible with at least the CPU upgrades from the ensuing "Optimization" cycle unless Intel pulls the same increased power draws as they did with the Coffee Lake chips (which is why the 9900K can't run in your Z170 Sabretooth).

 

[ssBaldy]

Right now the 9900k is $200 off at a local store, Ryzen Gen 3 doesn't seem to offer anything that in real world usage actually beats the 9900k other than the fact that for once in their pathetic existence AMD is being competitive.

Though I may wait for the supposed Intel price cuts and see what price they end up at.

12- core Ryzen 3900 would tear any Intel a new one rendering.

 

[Woldog]

I figured. I have no desire to dissuade you from going with Intel. I just think it's worth waiting to jump on board the new Ice Lake architecture with the motherboard standard it brings. Cannon Lake never materialized as an actual product. They really mean it when they changed the language on their CPU cycles from "tick-tock" to "Process-Architecture-Optimization".

Cannon Lake was the "Process". Ice Lake will be the "Architecture". That means your motherboard should be compatible with at least the CPU upgrades from the ensuing "Optimization" cycle unless Intel pulls the same increased power draws as they did with the Coffee Lake chips (which is why the 9900K can't run in your Z170 Sabretooth).

Oh I was very tempted to move back to AMD with Threadripper trust me the thought was there. But at this time I think Intel will rip out some goodstuff to compete with AMD again, I think it's going to be a glorious next 5 years for PC gaming.

12- core Ryzen 3900 would tear any Intel a new one rendering.

I thought about that but just can't bring myself back to AMD

 

[ssBaldy]

Oh I was very tempted to move back to AMD with Threadripper trust me the thought was there. But at this time I think Intel will rip out some goodstuff to compete with AMD again, I think it's going to be a glorious next 5 years for PC gaming.


I thought about that but just can't bring myself back to AMD

Well, if you have money for top Intels they are still good processors for sure, but if I were you I would wait till Ryzen 3000 hits the market, you will get your new Intel cheaper. also Threadrippers are not good for gaming due to their architecture.

 

[rikwebb]

Think this is the closest place to put this, if not Mick feel free to move it.

Raspberry Pi 4 has been released.

New improved Quad Core Broadcom BCM2711 Processor
1,2 & 4GB versions
2 x USB2.0 and 2 x USB 3.0
USB-C Power Supply
2 x Micro HDMI Ports that both support 4K

Spoiler: Full Specs

• Broadcom BCM2711, Quad core Cortex-A72 (ARM v8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.5GHz
• 1GB, 2GB or 4GB LPDDR4-2400 SDRAM (depending on model)
• 2.4 GHz and 5.0 GHz IEEE 802.11ac wireless, Bluetooth 5.0, BLE
• Gigabit Ethernet
• 2 USB 3.0 ports; 2 USB 2.0 ports.
• Raspberry Pi standard 40 pin GPIO header (fully backwards compatible with previous boards)
• 2 × micro-HDMI ports (up to 4kp60 supported)
• 2-lane MIPI DSI display port
• 2-lane MIPI CSI camera port
• 4-pole stereo audio and composite video port
• H.265 (4kp60 decode), H264 (1080p60 decode, 1080p30 encode)
• OpenGL ES 3.0 graphics
• Micro-SD card slot for loading operating system and data storage
• 5V DC via USB-C connector (minimum 3A*)
• 5V DC via GPIO header (minimum 3A*)
• Power over Ethernet (PoE) enabled (requires separate PoE HAT)
• Operating temperature: 0 – 50 degrees C ambient

* A good quality 2.5A power supply can be used if downstream USB peripherals consume less than 500mA in total.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/

 

[rob mafia]

between spectre, meltdown, zombieload... disabling hyperthreading, the higher prices, and ryzen 3 around the corner... i can't fathom why anyone would want to buy intel right now.

 

[Madmick]

@Cygnus A


Probably not your situation with the Predator X34 holding back your rig, unless you just upgraded to a $2K monster in the past few months, but I guess this monitor is the new sauce.

between spectre, meltdown, zombieload... disabling hyperthreading, the higher prices, and ryzen 3 around the corner... i can't fathom why anyone would want to buy intel right now.

Supremacy of obtainable framerates, and general speed.

There are some who will always be willing to pay more to get the most possible. Intel still dominates real-world performance in almost all applications (not just games).

 

[GSP_37]

Think this is the closest place to put this, if not Mick feel free to move it.

Raspberry Pi 4 has been released.

New improved Quad Core Broadcom BCM2711 Processor
1,2 & 4GB versions
2 x USB2.0 and 2 x USB 3.0
USB-C Power Supply
2 x Micro HDMI Ports that both support 4K

Spoiler: Full Specs

• Broadcom BCM2711, Quad core Cortex-A72 (ARM v8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.5GHz
• 1GB, 2GB or 4GB LPDDR4-2400 SDRAM (depending on model)
• 2.4 GHz and 5.0 GHz IEEE 802.11ac wireless, Bluetooth 5.0, BLE
• Gigabit Ethernet
• 2 USB 3.0 ports; 2 USB 2.0 ports.
• Raspberry Pi standard 40 pin GPIO header (fully backwards compatible with previous boards)
• 2 × micro-HDMI ports (up to 4kp60 supported)
• 2-lane MIPI DSI display port
• 2-lane MIPI CSI camera port
• 4-pole stereo audio and composite video port
• H.265 (4kp60 decode), H264 (1080p60 decode, 1080p30 encode)
• OpenGL ES 3.0 graphics
• Micro-SD card slot for loading operating system and data storage
• 5V DC via USB-C connector (minimum 3A*)
• 5V DC via GPIO header (minimum 3A*)
• Power over Ethernet (PoE) enabled (requires separate PoE HAT)
• Operating temperature: 0 – 50 degrees C ambient

* A good quality 2.5A power supply can be used if downstream USB peripherals consume less than 500mA in total.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/

I was gonna try to dig up the Raspberry thread and paste the specs. Overclocking the Pi 3 and dumbing down the game parameters, I was able to play some stuff barely but decently. I'm really excited about what the extra RAM and CPU power can do. I'll be looking forward to seeing reports from the early adopters. I saw someone ask if it will be able to handle PS2. I saw people say it'll barely help N64.

I already have in possession some Lego Technic parts for a new design fan mount. Better safe than overheated. I'll still order little heatsinks.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-from-35/
"Raspberry Pi 4 Model B

Here are the highlights:

A 1.5GHz quad-core 64-bit ARM Cortex-A72 CPU (~3× performance)
1GB, 2GB, or 4GB of LPDDR4 SDRAM
Full-throughput Gigabit Ethernet
Dual-band 802.11ac wireless networking
Bluetooth 5.0
Two USB 3.0 and two USB 2.0 ports
Dual monitor support, at resolutions up to 4K
VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x
4Kp60 hardware decode of HEVC video
Complete compatibility with earlier Raspberry Pi products

RAM Retail price
1GB $35
2GB $45
4GB $55

Power

We’ve moved from USB micro-B to USB-C for our power connector. This supports an extra 500mA of current, ensuring we have a full 1.2A for downstream USB devices, even under heavy CPU load."

 

[My Spot]

between spectre, meltdown, zombieload... disabling hyperthreading, the higher prices, and ryzen 3 around the corner... i can't fathom why anyone would want to buy intel right now.

Intel is still king when it comes to gaming.

 

[rob mafia]

Intel is still king when it comes to gaming.

not for long.

 

[Woldog]

not for long.

How many years have AMD fans been saying that though? I remember when the FX chips came out, more cores more power, higher clocks the big hope on the horizon for AMD and what did we get? 8 cores that couldn't compete with an Intel dual core.

 

[Slobodan]

How many years have AMD fans been saying that though? I remember when the FX chips came out, more cores more power, higher clocks the big hope on the horizon for AMD and what did we get? 8 cores that couldn't compete with an Intel dual core.

The FX chips were a disaster though, this isn't the same thing at all.

 

[rob mafia]

How many years have AMD fans been saying that though? I remember when the FX chips came out, more cores more power, higher clocks the big hope on the horizon for AMD and what did we get? 8 cores that couldn't compete with an Intel dual core.

if you want to pay more for intel based on the past, it's your money.

ryzen's legit, though. and the 3950 should be out in ~2 months (and the rest on 7/7).

 

[Woldog]

if you want to pay more for intel based on the past, it's your money.

ryzen's legit, though. and the 3950 should be out in ~2 months (and the rest on 7/7).

I'm not doubting that though. What I'm doubting is AMD's ability to stay ahead of Intel for more than 3 months. If the Ice Lake chips come out with what Intel has most likely been keeping underwraps like they always do, AMD has shown all their cards. History generally shows that Intel is 5 years ahead of AMD research wise, but has been remarkably quiet while AMD has been beating the drum about their Ryzen chips.
Silence is the most dangerous part from Intel for AMD.

 

[rob mafia]

I'm not doubting that though. What I'm doubting is AMD's ability to stay ahead of Intel for more than 3 months. If the Ice Lake chips come out with what Intel has most likely been keeping underwraps like they always do, AMD has shown all their cards. History generally shows that Intel is 5 years ahead of AMD research wise, but has been remarkably quiet while AMD has been beating the drum about their Ryzen chips.
Silence is the most dangerous part from Intel for AMD.

i find your viewpoint to be fascinating.

 

[Woldog]

i find your viewpoint to be fascinating.

Its like Russia. When they're the loudest they're at their weakest, when they're silent they're at their strongest.
Intel should have been beating the drum and launching counter campaigns to discredit the Ryzen and show why their chips are still better, you don't find it strange that they haven't said a damn thing while AMD seemingly closes the gap and captures a huge marketshare compared to what they had 3 years ago?

I'm not anti AMD by any means, I used to build only AMD rigs from 13 - 24 years old, its only the last 4 years that I've been running Intel. AMD were there for me when I had no money, but when I returned from Console and built a computer with the strongest AMD Chip I could find only for it to get stomped into the ground by an i5 I was a bit disappointed to say the least.

Should the Ryzen 3 series be better than the next Intel chipset then I'll make the shift back to AMD, but until I know for sure that they'll beat it I'm not going to jump back to the company that has let me down more than my local professional rugby team.

 

[rob mafia]

@Woldog

...or they just don't have much to promote, since they're hit by 3 different exploits, had numerous production problems, are way behind on the nm, and etc.

intel also failed at making phone modems (or whatever they were doing) and has yet to release a gpu. they appear to be generally just be fucking up, of late.

 

[Woldog]

Me right now

 

[Woldog]

@Woldog

...or they just don't have much to promote, since they're hit by 3 different exploits, had numerous production problems, are way behind on the nm, and etc.

intel also failed at making phone modems (or whatever they were doing) and has yet to release a gpu. they appear to be generally just be fucking up, of late.

I'm actually hopefully they don't end up going into the GPU market like they've been attempting the last few years. It just seems pointless when Nvidia are dominating it and AMD for all their attempts haven't really been as successful as expected, I was excited for the RX480's or whatever they were but ended up going with the 1070 and then finally the 1080ti.
I think Intel entering the market just means more optimization problems for game companies.