Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[jefferz]

oh, i know. plus, i had waited about as long as possible and etc and build a pretty great system (esp for the cost).

but all these new CPU/GPU/mobo/SSDs look fun to play with. not that i'd want to pay the premium for doing so.

Ryzen 5 1600's motherboard combos are going for under $150 now. Pair that with an RX570 that are going for under $120, which includes 2 free games, and you'll have a nice 1080p 60fps high/ultra setting machine. That's perfect for an HTPC.
When 3rd gen Ryzen drops, the used price of first gen Ryzen will plummet if you're ok with used stuff.

 

[rob mafia]

i'm running a 2700x/gtx1070, so i'm good to go.

and i wasn't trying to derail this, but yeah - i was referring to "real world performance." single core is a good/great indicator or a baseline, but many games/programs are now far more optimized for multi and it's a weird spot with amd adding cores/threads and intel having major vulnerabilities and recommending disabling hyperthreading.

 

[Madmick]

i'm running a 2700x/gtx1070, so i'm good to go.

and i wasn't trying to derail this, but yeah - i was referring to "real world performance." single core is a good/great indicator or a baseline, but many games/programs are now far more optimized for multi and it's a weird spot with amd adding cores/threads and intel having major vulnerabilities and recommending disabling hyperthreading.

Not beyond 4 cores. Not even the AAA monsters. There's only a handful of Battlefield V's. Unfortunately, DX12 and Vulkan continue to be practical vaporware.

Even in 2019 that QC Mixed score you see on UserBenchmark determines the best gaming processor, and hyperthreading/SMT has little effect on that score. It's still about the best quad core processor irrespective of multi-threading. Spend a day watching YouTube rundowns of game framerates, videos that always focus on the AAA monsters that are better optimized for multicore scaling in the first place, and you notice the hierarchy is frighteningly similar: nearly identical (you have to "Add Column" from the left):
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/
QC Mixed Leaderboard

1. i9-9900KF
2. i9-9900K
3. i7-9700K
4. i7-9700KF
5. i3-9350KF
6. i5-9600KF
7. i7-8086K
8. i5-9600K
9. i7-8700K
10. i5-8600K

Notice that leaderboard is nearly identical to the Single Core leaderboard, but entirely alien to the Multi Core leaderboard. That's because (and why) their "Effective Speed" formula, which is the most useful single theoretical score of all, derives 60% of its weight from that QC score:

The reason they're weighting SC Mixed an additional 30% versus 10% indicates their awareness that the number of real-world applications-- specifically with a focus on games-- that benefit more from higher scores on fewer than four cores outnumbers those that benefit from higher performance on more than four cores by a ratio of ~3:1.

This is why the 9900K and 9700K remain above $400. It isn't just Intel's inventory control. If the 2700X was that good it would have crashed their prices. It didn't. People with money are willing to shell out the big bucks for the best. While it's obvious that the Ryzen 3000 series is going to radically upend the sub-$200 & sub-$350 markets, I remain a bit skeptical it will have the juice to seriously influence change north of $350. Intel looks like they'll still have just a smidge of breathing room.

 

[90 50]

You've been around long enough you should understand that refers to performance in applications outside benchmarks.

And this performance still favors Intel despite fewer cores. One has to bend over backwards to devise environments that favor AMD. No, streaming is not that big. The number of gamers who stream is a tiny fraction of the overall gaming base.

It’s growing everyday, 75% of my personal friends that game , stream, even if not many people are watching they still do it.

It’s becoming part of the”culture” if you will.

Hell my 5yr old streams on Xbox on the app on there playing roblox for crying out loud. His generation will majority stream I’m sure(unless it dies off before then)

I’ve streamed a little myself, mainly when doing “doom challenge “ runs. But like I mentioned it’s growing. And will soon be a big part of cpu usage considerations in the future.

 

[Madmick]

It’s growing everyday, 75% of my personal friends that game , stream, even if not many people are watching they still do it.

It’s becoming part of the”culture” if you will.

Hell my 5yr old streams on Xbox on the app on there playing roblox for crying out loud. His generation will majority stream I’m sure(unless it dies off before then)

I’ve streamed a little myself, mainly when doing “doom challenge “ runs. But like I mentioned it’s growing. And will soon be a big part of cpu usage considerations in the future.

Viewing is part of the culture. Streaming is not. It's fractional. This is not a common workload. Full stop.

Add up every PC live stream on Twitch, YouTube, and every other platform you can find. Tally them over a 24-hour period. Now compare that to the global PC gamer base.

There are 27K total Twitch partners. There are 1.22 billion PC gamers.

 

[jefferz]

The Stand for Apple's New $4,999 Pro Display Costs an Extra $999
Apple today unveiled the Pro Display XDR, a 32-inch 6K monitor with a P3 wide color gamut and true 10-bit color support, 1,600 nits of peak brightness, a 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio, and a super-wide, off-axis viewing angle.
The all-new Mac Pro starts at $5,999 and will be available to order in the fall. Pro Display XDR starts at $4,999, the Pro Stand is $999 and the VESA Mount Adapter is $199. All will be available to order in the fall.

 

[rob mafia]

i stopped questioning this shit about a decade ago. if it has an apple logo, idiots will buy it. even if it's ludicrously priced. ...especially if it's ludicrously priced.

 

[GSP_37]

I'm eagerly waiting to see if there's a newer Apple TV 4K box. I saw something about Apple Arcade to be compatible with XBOX and PS4 controllers, but am curious how this is to work with Apple TV 4K since I think those don't have a USB port and I thought PS4 controllers need to be connected via USB to pair with the PS4 console.

Any idea how PS4 controllers would work with Apple TV box w/o USB port?

Also saw iOS 13 will allow USB flashdrive or external harddrive or SD card.

 

[Cygnus A]

The Stand for Apple's New $4,999 Pro Display Costs an Extra $999
Apple today unveiled the Pro Display XDR, a 32-inch 6K monitor with a P3 wide color gamut and true 10-bit color support, 1,600 nits of peak brightness, a 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio, and a super-wide, off-axis viewing angle.
The all-new Mac Pro starts at $5,999 and will be available to order in the fall. Pro Display XDR starts at $4,999, the Pro Stand is $999 and the VESA Mount Adapter is $199. All will be available to order in the fall.

LOL look at this smug piece of shit. "Here is a monitor stand for $1k".

 

[Madmick]

LOL look at this smug piece of shit. "Here is a monitor stand for $1k".

The more confounding thing to me is how many people there are with the disposable income to buy it that are stupid enough to buy it.

"It just works", they'll say.

 

[jefferz]

LOL look at this smug piece of shit. "Here is a monitor stand for $1k".

Did you see how much that Mac Pro costs?
The new Mac Pro starts at $5,999 with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, AMD WX 7100 graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage.

 

[rikwebb]

I'm eagerly waiting to see if there's a newer Apple TV 4K box. I saw something about Apple Arcade to be compatible with XBOX and PS4 controllers, but am curious how this is to work with Apple TV 4K since I think those don't have a USB port and I thought PS4 controllers need to be connected via USB to pair with the PS4 console.

Any idea how PS4 controllers would work with Apple TV box w/o USB port?

Also saw iOS 13 will allow USB flashdrive or external harddrive or SD card.

Its looking like the controllers will work with only phones so far

 

[Madmick]

Its looking like the controllers will work with only phones so far

I did see a separate headline to day that the new "iPad OS" has added keyboard and mouse support. They are also killing iTunes as it has existed for the past two decades.

My timing was off, a bit premature, but there's just more and more evidence to indicate my prediction they REALLY want to get rid of MacOS is on on the horizon. My prediction that Apple would transition its HTPC into the gaming dual analog controller console market was similarly mistimed (back in 2015 when the NVIDIA Shield released). We'll see.

 

[rob mafia]

Did you see how much that Mac Pro costs?
The new Mac Pro starts at $5,999 with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, AMD WX 7100 graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage.

one of these things is not like the other...

 

[Madmick]

Anthony is a beast. I love how Linus is laughing while Anthony talks about the lengths he had to go to in order to set up the Hackintosh:


The maxed up upgrade Mac Pro one will be able to order is $35K before you count the GPU(s) and that $5K display. So we're talking over $40K here:
https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

I don't know about you, but if I was paying $40K+ for a personal computer, I would expect it to have the best consumer/prosumer processor in the world (Intel Xeon Platinum 9282). That would actually be worth...well, Intel won't tell us how much it costs, but we can be certain the MSRP is north of $18K. Is this in the Mac Pro? Not even close:
Mac Pro processors (Cascade Lake 3000 series Xeon-W):
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2400/intel-rolls-out-cascade-lake-xeon-w-processors/
Full Intel Xeon Cascade Lake product line:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14146/intel-xeon-scalable-cascade-lake-deep-dive-now-with-optane

Mac Pro Processors & MSRP

• 8-core Mac Pro ----> Intel Xeon W-3223 ($749)
• 12-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3235 ($1398)
• 16-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3245 ($1999)
• 24-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3265 ($3349)
• 28-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3275 ($4449)

Apple has always had a steeper premium on its desktop offerings, but it's heartbreaking to see what has become of the company in the past several years. This is ridiculous. You can build that baseline machine for around $1500. That's a 400% premium. Apple is soaring into loan shark territory with these markups.

 

[rob mafia]

are you kidding? for the low price of $40k, can you afford NOT to buy one? it's a steal! it practically sells itself!

buy 10 and get a badass compything for yourself and flip the others on the black market! what would strongbad do?

 

[GSP_37]

Its looking like the controllers will work with only phones so far

Makes me wonder if a new Apple TV box is in the pipeline with a USB port especially after seeing the iPad will allow use with USB drives.

I saw a rumor site hint there'd be a new model announced at this event since they previously release a new one every 2-3 yrs. Now I'm seeing rumors they announce these things in September.

 

[PEB]

Anthony is a beast. I love how Linus is laughing while Anthony talks about the lengths he had to go to in order to set up the Hackintosh:


The maxed up upgrade Mac Pro one will be able to order is $35K before you count the GPU(s) and that $5K display. So we're talking over $40K here:
https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

I don't know about you, but if I was paying $40K+ for a personal computer, I would expect it to have the best consumer/prosumer processor in the world (Intel Xeon Platinum 9282). That would actually be worth...well, Intel won't tell us how much it costs, but we can be certain the MSRP is north of $18K. Is this in the Mac Pro? Not even close:
Mac Pro processors (Cascade Lake 3000 series Xeon-W):
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2400/intel-rolls-out-cascade-lake-xeon-w-processors/
Full Intel Xeon Cascade Lake product line:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14146/intel-xeon-scalable-cascade-lake-deep-dive-now-with-optane

Mac Pro Processors & MSRP

• 8-core Mac Pro ----> Intel Xeon W-3223 ($749)
• 12-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3235 ($1398)
• 16-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3245 ($1999)
• 24-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3265 ($3349)
• 28-core Mac Pro --> Intel Xeon W-3275 ($4449)

Apple has always had a steeper premium on its desktop offerings, but it's heartbreaking to see what has become of the company in the past several years. This is ridiculous. You can build that baseline machine for around $1500. That's a 400% premium. Apple is soaring into loan shark territory with these markups.

Apple wants to kill off the desktop "that's my CT" about these prices. I always got the feeling that Apple did not want up-gradable computers. Even back in the 80's with the Apple 2 and the Mac they went out of their way to make upgrading their computers more expensive and difficult. The Macintosh II was super expensive and upgrades on them was like 4 times as much as similar PC based solutions.

 

[PEB]

 

[Madmick]

Apple wants to kill off the desktop "that's my CT" about these prices. I always got the feeling that Apple did not want up-gradable computers. Even back in the 80's with the Apple 2 and the Mac they went out of their way to make upgrading their computers more expensive and difficult. The Macintosh II was super expensive and upgrades on them was like 4 times as much as similar PC based solutions.

This thought had occurred to me, but it's a touch cynical even for me. I've been predicting that they want to kill MacOS for a while, now, so maybe they just don't care. This is more hardware price gouging in concert with their ongoing strategy since they introduced the iPhone X.
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/144519737/
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/145794963/