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[rob mafia]

I don't think it would be $500 less. That's only including the three biggest parts I'd need. Still a lot to add, could be off base though.

I'll look into options I have with AMD.

depends, mostly on the ssd (and/or hdd). the rest is basically just case, psu, and mb. good PSUs can commonly be found for ~$50 and the mb cost is generally in the ~$0-50 range when the cpu is taken into account (ie: bundles)

(ie: why i took off ~$200 from the estimate)

 

[Swing]

Needed a new controller for my PC because I'm tired of having to reconnect my DS4 to my PS4, so I picked up the Xbox One Elite. I'm not sure it's really worth the price, but it is a pretty nice controller. I need to find a game that actually might make use of the paddles. For now I just took them off (I am pretty impressed with how easy it is to swap out the sticks, paddles, and dpad).

 

[jefferz]

 

[jefferz]

Lastly, is it worth investing in a 4K monitor? Seems like kind of a waste at that size.

Thanks in advance.

As @KaNesDeath said, high refresh is where it’s at. 1440p 144hz monitors are the sweet spot right now.
You can find a good 27” Gsync compatible monitor for under $300.

 

[PEB]

Here is the rumored benchmarks of the newest AMD CPU's. But the GPU price is going to disappoint. The 12 core has been tested at 5 ghz without problems beating the i9 by 20 percent. IPC is showing in pre optimize drivers a 10 to 25 percent improvement. The price is going to be huge difference way different. Expect the 12 core 24 thread CPU in around 499 dollars an 16 core 32 thread CPU at 799. At first threadripper looked to be done but now maybe not the monster will now start at 899 for 24 core all the way up to 64 core for over 2 grand.

The intel 7960x is priced at 1390 dollars.

 

[rob mafia]

But the GPU price is going to disappoint.

maybe. i saw that, too. but then i also saw something the next day suggesting that the prices were ~$90 lower or so. i guess we'll see next week.

 

[Madmick]

Here is the rumored benchmarks of the newest AMD CPU's. But the GPU price is going to disappoint. The 12 core has been tested at 5 ghz without problems beating the i9 by 20 percent. IPC is showing in pre optimize drivers a 10 to 25 percent improvement. The price is going to be huge difference way different. Expect the 12 core 24 thread CPU in around 499 dollars an 16 core 32 thread CPU at 799. At first threadripper looked to be done but now maybe not the monster will now start at 899 for 24 core all the way up to 64 core for over 2 grand.

The intel 7960x is priced at 1390 dollars.

I have been trying not to get too excited, but the more I see, the more there is confirming the insane early leaked figures. As I posted in the other thread:



https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-3000-release-date-price-specs-and-everything-we-know/
One of those leaks/rumors comes from AdoredTV, which claims to have received the following product list from a tipster:

• Ryzen 9 3850X—16C/32T, 4.3GHz to 5.1GHz, 135W TDP, $499
• Ryzen 9 3800X—16C/32T, 3.9GHz to 4.7GHz, 125W TDP, $449
• Ryzen 7 3700X—12C/24T, 4.2GHz to 5.0GHz, 105W TDP, $329
• Ryzen 7 3700—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 95W TPD, $299
• Ryzen 5 3600X—8C/16T, 4.0GHz to 4.8GHz, 95W TDP, $229
• Ryzen 5 3600—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $178
• Ryzen 3 3300X—6C/12T, 3.5GHz to 4.3GHz, 65W TDP, $129
• Ryzen 3 3300—6C/12T, 3.2GHz to 4.0GHz, 50W TDP, $99

The i9-9980XE is a $1979 MSRP processor (currently runs $2150):

*Edit* I should mention that Zen+ (Ryzen 2000, Threadripper 2000) trails Coffee Lake Refresh by 3%-5% in IPC. Assuming the rumored clocks are accurate, and anticipating other IPC gains with Zen 2 over Zen+, it's reasonable to expect the R9-3850X might challenge the i9-9900K for gaming CPU supremacy.

No single CPU is making the highest level of gaming CPU power as affordable as the ($229) R5-3600X with 8 cores and 16 threads up to a 4.8 GHz single turbo.

• i7-9700K: 8c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.9 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.6 GHz)
• i7-8700K: 6c/12t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.7 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.3 GHz)
• i7-7700K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.6 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.4 GHz)
• i7-6700K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.2 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.0 GHz)
• i7-4790K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.4 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.2 GHz)
• i7-4770K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 3.9 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 3.7 GHz)
• i7-3770K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 3.9 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 3.7 GHz)
• i7-2600K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 3.8 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 3.5 GHz)

 

[rob mafia]

yup. next week should be interesting (computex and the amd reveals).

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-3000-single-core-cpu-performance-pc-gaming

 

[Dizzy]

I have been trying not to get too excited, but the more I see, the more there is confirming the insane early leaked figures. As I posted in the other thread:

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https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-3000-release-date-price-specs-and-everything-we-know/
One of those leaks/rumors comes from AdoredTV, which claims to have received the following product list from a tipster:

• Ryzen 9 3850X—16C/32T, 4.3GHz to 5.1GHz, 135W TDP, $499
• Ryzen 9 3800X—16C/32T, 3.9GHz to 4.7GHz, 125W TDP, $449
• Ryzen 7 3700X—12C/24T, 4.2GHz to 5.0GHz, 105W TDP, $329
• Ryzen 7 3700—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 95W TPD, $299
• Ryzen 5 3600X—8C/16T, 4.0GHz to 4.8GHz, 95W TDP, $229
• Ryzen 5 3600—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $178
• Ryzen 3 3300X—6C/12T, 3.5GHz to 4.3GHz, 65W TDP, $129
• Ryzen 3 3300—6C/12T, 3.2GHz to 4.0GHz, 50W TDP, $99

The i9-9980XE is a $1979 MSRP processor (currently runs $2150):

*Edit* I should mention that Zen+ (Ryzen 2000, Threadripper 2000) trails Coffee Lake Refresh by 5%-7% in IPC. Assuming the rumored clocks are accurate, and anticipating other IPC gains with Zen 2 over Zen+, it's reasonable to expect the R9-3850X might challenge the i9-9900K for gaming CPU supremacy.

No single CPU is making the highest level of gaming CPU power as affordable as the ($229) R5-3600X with 8 cores and 16 threads up to a 4.8 GHz single turbo.

• i7-9700K: 8c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.9 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.6 GHz)
• i7-8700K: 6c/12t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.7 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.3 GHz)
• i7-7700K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.6 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.4 GHz)
• i7-6700K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.2 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.0 GHz)
• i7-4790K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 4.4 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 4.2 GHz)
• i7-4770K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 3.9 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 3.7 GHz)
• i7-3770K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 3.9 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 3.7 GHz)
• i7-2700K: 4c/8t (Single Core Turbo--> 3.9 GHz ; All Core Turbo --> 3.6 GHz)

 

[rob mafia]

... tl;dr - if the leaked specs are accurate, the new amd cpu/apu line is king shit of fuck mountain.

 

[Madmick]

Another leak today is native DDR4-3200MHz memory support. Meanwhile, the Coffee Lake refresh processors (ex. i9-9900K) are stuck at DDR4-2666MHz.
Ryzen 3000-Series CPUs Allegedly Support DDR4-3200 Out of The Box, Overclock to DDR4-4400

Cliffs is that not all clocks are equal. For the past decade Intel has dominated AMD with better performance at the same GHz, which is an IPC (Instructions per Clock) advantage, but mostly they have dominated via the higher clocks (notably with their turbo frequencies).

Ryzen 7 1800X (4.0 GHz Turbo)
Ryzen 7 2700X (4.3 GHz Turbo)
vs.
i9-9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo)
i7-8700K (4.9 GHz Turbo)

I found a Cinebench single-thread chart with all CPUs normalized to 3.00 GHz and edited that in. You can see how IPC has progressed with Intel since Sandy Bridge in 2011. If we set the Sandy Bridge i7-2600 to the baseline 1.00x:

• 1.00x = i7-2600K (103)
• 1.03x = i7-3770K (106)
• 1.16x = i7-4770K (119)
• 1.27x = i7-6700K (131)
• 1.27x = i7-7700K (131)
• 1.28x = i7-8700K (132)
• ?.??x = i7-9700K (???)

Intel has made very few IPC gains since Skylake, and as you can see, at the same frequency, today's i7's are about 28% stronger than 2011's i7's. Meanwhile, all of Zen+ processors listed there score from 129-131. AMD closed almost all of the IPC gap.

Knowing this, if AMD releases a 16-core/32-thread CPU that turbos to 5.1 GHz, one can expect it to perform as if it was a recent Intel at that same frequency. Since the best processor Intel makes turbos to 5.0 GHz, and is only 8-core/16-thread, Computex is expected to be a big deal.

 

[560ti]

Intel is screwed.

Ryzen 2 didn't have to be magic to beat Intel (previous gen is already like 90% of the way there).

300-350mhz all core increase from last gen along with a 5-7% increase in IPC while undercutting Intel prices (which the last 2 gens did) is all it needed to smear Intel

It's looking it's going to do AT LEAST that all while adding 2 more cores along each product line.... (damn there going all out !!!)

 

[jefferz]

Intel is screwed.

Ryzen 2 didn't have to be magic to beat Intel (previous gen is already like 90% of the way there).

300-350mhz all core increase from last gen along with a 5-7% increase in IPC while undercutting Intel prices (which the last 2 gens did) is all it needed to smear Intel

It's looking it's going to do AT LEAST that all while adding 2 more cores along each product line.... (damn there going all out !!!)

Have you seen any of the x570 boards yet?

The CPU power delivery is concerning.

 

[rob mafia]

...but it says "ACE" and has a dragon on it!

are you referring to the extra 4-pin?

most of the complaints/etc i saw so far were for the chipset fan.

 

[jefferz]

...but it says "ACE" and has a dragon on it!

are you referring to the extra 4-pin?

most of the complaints/etc i saw so far were for the chipset fan.

It's got a dragon painted right on the blade.

Yeah the extra 4 or 8 pin, depending on board. My thoughts are, if the CPU's require more power that means more heat. That's one area where AMD is killing it right now.
I have a 1700 running at 3.9ghz on a Wraith Prism cooler (equivalent to a Hyper 212) and it never gets over 67 degrees.

Also on that MEG, where the heck is that heat pipe going? Is it going all the way down to the chipset?

 

[Chubz]

I wonder if it'd be worth doing the upgrade from a Xeon 1231v3 (basically an i7-4770) to either the upcoming Ryzen 3700 or 3700x? (My other specs are 16 GB RAM and GTX 1070. The 1070 will eventually be the next upgrade.)

I'm always really hesitant to upgrade CPUs since they last so long, and the Xeon is still holding its own in most games (Battlefield V being a notable exception), but goddamn the Ryzen 3000 series' pricing and specs are insane.

 

[jefferz]

I wonder if it'd be worth doing the upgrade from a Xeon 1231v3 (basically an i7-4770) to either the upcoming Ryzen 3700 or 3700x? (My other specs are 16 GB RAM and GTX 1070. The 1070 will eventually be the next upgrade.)

I'm always really hesitant to upgrade CPUs since they last so long, and the Xeon is still holding its own in most games (Battlefield V being a notable exception), but goddamn the Ryzen 3000 series' pricing and specs are insane.

If your computer is doing everything you want it to, don’t upgrade.

 

[90 50]

I wonder if it'd be worth doing the upgrade from a Xeon 1231v3 (basically an i7-4770) to either the upcoming Ryzen 3700 or 3700x? (My other specs are 16 GB RAM and GTX 1070. The 1070 will eventually be the next upgrade.)

I'm always really hesitant to upgrade CPUs since they last so long, and the Xeon is still holding its own in most games (Battlefield V being a notable exception), but goddamn the Ryzen 3000 series' pricing and specs are insane.

A 2700x hammers a 4770 pretty hard on most benchmarks, a 3700 would be even better, but there will be super cheap deals on 2700’s pretty soon and the deals on them now aren’t bad already as it is.

Since you are using a Xeon, if you are doing a lot of workstation stuff you might note that Fry’s has the 1920x TR on sale for 199.99 right now.

 

[Madmick]

I wonder if it'd be worth doing the upgrade from a Xeon 1231v3 (basically an i7-4770) to either the upcoming Ryzen 3700 or 3700x? (My other specs are 16 GB RAM and GTX 1070. The 1070 will eventually be the next upgrade.)

I'm always really hesitant to upgrade CPUs since they last so long, and the Xeon is still holding its own in most games (Battlefield V being a notable exception), but goddamn the Ryzen 3000 series' pricing and specs are insane.

Here was the official announcement:

If you want Battlefield V to run smoothly, yes, that will be an excellent upgrade. The best values here are the R7-3700X (overall) and R5-3600 (pure gaming). Notice the lower TDP ranges, @Chubz. We'll have to wait to see if AMD is as serious with their stock cooling solutions as they have been with the first two generations of Ryzen, but expect these to be the better values, especially if you're comfortable overclocking. Hell, they might even prove better values if you don't. The R7-3800X only has a +100 MHz turbo advantage over the R7-3700X, despite the +300MHz base clock, so we'll have to wait to see how the turbos across all cores differ. It's strange to see that little frequency gained in the peak turbo when the chip nearly doubles the power draw.

Otherwise, these appear positioned to assume the mantle the R3-1200, R5-1600, R7-1700 from the first gen or the R5-2600 & R7-2700 from the second gen. They will have more headroom because they aren't as aggressively clocked out-of-the-box from the factory. They will probably come with slightly inferior stock coolers.

Expect the R7-3700X to crush the R7-2700X at stock frequencies (4.4 GHz peak turbo vs. 4.3 GHz peak turbo, and +15% boasted IPC, with the same cores/threads). Now compare the Xeon E3-1231v3 vs. R7-2700X:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4770-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/1978vs3958
17% faster single core score, and 34% faster quad core score despite that the Xeon isn't a dual core or lesser chip. Those are huge advantages already with the focus on gaming.

Don't overlook that you'll also be able to upgrade to DDR4 RAM with the CPU upgrade.

So, yes, the R5-3600 ($199) or R7-3700X ($329) will both be worthwhile upgrades to your current CPU.

 

[My Spot]

I can't wait for R5 3600 gaming benchmarks in comparison to my beloved i5 8400.